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(08-05-2018 05:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  What ? Scoring is a stat. We’re discussing leading scorer.

Fredericks is going to be a great player. Doesn’t mean he Will lead the team in scoring .

Logan Johnson was great today. But it’s also an exhibition game against a team who didn’t play 3 starters. Tomorrow will be a bigger test.

I’m willing to bet you jarron leads this team in shots and scoring.

Also, watching UC play an exhibition game with no implications against a small lineup is a god aweful way to make an assessment.


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the stats comment was about fredricks vs williams....not who would be the leading scorer

the premise behind why i said i dont think cumberland would be the leading scorer is that i dont think he does well when the defense is focused on him or he is initiating the offense and driving. he tried it like 5times and not one of them ended in a made buckets...his points came when the defense was focusing on broome and he swung it cumberland who had space
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(08-05-2018 05:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  What ? Scoring is a stat. We’re discussing leading scorer.

Fredericks is going to be a great player. Doesn’t mean he Will lead the team in scoring .

Logan Johnson was great today. But it’s also an exhibition game against a team who didn’t play 3 starters. Tomorrow will be a bigger test.

I’m willing to bet you jarron leads this team in shots and scoring.

Also, watching UC play an exhibition game with no implications against a small lineup is a god aweful way to make an assessment.


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the stats comment was about fredricks vs williams....not who would be the leading scorer

the premise behind why i said i dont think cumberland would be the leading scorer is that i dont think he does well when the defense is focused on him or he is initiating the offense and driving. he tried it like 5times and not one of them ended in a made buck...his points came when the defense was focusing on broome and he swung it cumberland who had space


Lol, he isn’t a point guard. Are you saying all leading scorers have to be ball dominant ? That’s just stupid. Good point guards break down the defense so their bucket getters get easy looks. Jarron is our scorer.

That’s like saying, a shooting guard like jarron would not be a very good point guard...... no ****. That’s why he is a scoring guard.

And you saying Fredericks or cane will be the leading scorer only re-enforces your own point. If those 2 plus Keith Williams are good then it opens up jarron even more lol. Jarron can dribble drive, it’s just he gets a lot of charges called that made him a little gun shy. The dude is already on at least one mock draft. He is going to be hunger to prove he is elite. The way he took care of his body in the off season is proof as much as previously he never bought into the diet changes our program pushes.

But will see.

You literally just want find a narrative that degrades jarron. Every one publication disagrees and even Cronin thinks he’s more like Sean kilpatrick then any other Bearcat the last few years l.




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(08-05-2018 05:40 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  What ? Scoring is a stat. We’re discussing leading scorer.

Fredericks is going to be a great player. Doesn’t mean he Will lead the team in scoring .

Logan Johnson was great today. But it’s also an exhibition game against a team who didn’t play 3 starters. Tomorrow will be a bigger test.

I’m willing to bet you jarron leads this team in shots and scoring.

Also, watching UC play an exhibition game with no implications against a small lineup is a god aweful way to make an assessment.


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the stats comment was about fredricks vs williams....not who would be the leading scorer

the premise behind why i said i dont think cumberland would be the leading scorer is that i dont think he does well when the defense is focused on him or he is initiating the offense and driving. he tried it like 5times and not one of them ended in a made buck...his points came when the defense was focusing on broome and he swung it cumberland who had space


Lol, he isn’t a point guard. Are you saying all leading scorers have to be ball dominant ? That’s just stupid. Good point guards break down the defense so their bucket getters get easy looks. Jarron is our scorer.

That’s like saying, a shooting guard like jarron would not be a very good point guard...... no ****. That’s why he is a scoring guard.

And you saying Fredericks or cane will be the leading scorer only re-enforces your own point. If those 2 plus Keith Williams are good then it opens up jarron even more lol. Jarron can dribble drive, it’s just he gets a lot of charges called that made him a little gun shy. The dude is already on at least one mock draft. He is going to be hunger to prove he is elite. The way he took care of his body in the off season is proof as much as previously he never bought into the diet changes our program pushes.

But will see.

You literally just want find a narrative that degrades jarron. Every one publication disagrees and even Cronin thinks he’s more like Sean kilpatrick then any other Bearcat the last few years l.




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Hold on, you are making great sense. Soon, BearcatMark will have a KenPom stat from this game to back you up. Hang on!!!!!!!! 04-cheers
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RE: Offseason Basketball: Cincy vs Ottawwa Gamethread (with stream link)
(08-05-2018 05:40 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  What ? Scoring is a stat. We’re discussing leading scorer.

Fredericks is going to be a great player. Doesn’t mean he Will lead the team in scoring .

Logan Johnson was great today. But it’s also an exhibition game against a team who didn’t play 3 starters. Tomorrow will be a bigger test.

I’m willing to bet you jarron leads this team in shots and scoring.

Also, watching UC play an exhibition game with no implications against a small lineup is a god aweful way to make an assessment.


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the stats comment was about fredricks vs williams....not who would be the leading scorer

the premise behind why i said i dont think cumberland would be the leading scorer is that i dont think he does well when the defense is focused on him or he is initiating the offense and driving. he tried it like 5times and not one of them ended in a made buck...his points came when the defense was focusing on broome and he swung it cumberland who had space


Lol, he isn’t a point guard. Are you saying all leading scorers have to be ball dominant ? That’s just stupid. Good point guards break down the defense so their bucket getters get easy looks. Jarron is our scorer.

That’s like saying, a shooting guard like jarron would not be a very good point guard...... no ****. That’s why he is a scoring guard.

And you saying Fredericks or cane will be the leading scorer only re-enforces your own point. If those 2 plus Keith Williams are good then it opens up jarron even more lol. Jarron can dribble drive, it’s just he gets a lot of charges called that made him a little gun shy. The dude is already on at least one mock draft. He is going to be hunger to prove he is elite. The way he took care of his body in the off season is proof as much as previously he never bought into the diet changes our program pushes.

But will see.

You literally just want find a narrative that degrades jarron. Every one publication disagrees and even Cronin thinks he’s more like Sean kilpatrick then any other Bearcat the last few years l.




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you are acting like i said he would be bad. i said he would still score over 10 a game..you are acting like i said Cincy would be bad, ignoring i said i felt cincy was a lock for the tourney

and where did i say they had to be ball dominant??? my point was about being the focus of the defense..thats not even the same thing....

to get into detail if you follow jarron in a game, he is normally at the complete otherside of where the defensive focus is. he is very good at catching defenses off balance...his best and most frequent move is the pump fake when defender are running to re-establish their defense on him.

like i said earlier i think he is most deadly when the defenses fear someone else more than him, and whoever is guarding him tries to help guard that more "feared" player...look at the first half of the ottawa game, cumberland was the most feared, and cumberland tried to play "that role". he'd iso himself in a corner and try and drive and it was producing nothing and he slowly started to fade...at one point broome became the strongest presence on the court. ottawa was focusing more on him and that gave Cumberland room..thats when he found himself with space to shoot, at one point had a 5'10 player guarding him in the paint becuase they were trying to switch of to focus on broome (which was easy points for jarron)

my point wasnt about being ball dominant but spacing and focus. on tight defense he isnt shaking and baking anyone or blowing by anyone with speed..if he muscles his way to the paint, its not like he a repateur of fancy layups or going to dunk on anyone.. that if he tries to play the role of "the guy" at cincy it will come at detriment..the role he played last year is ideal....
the only way i see him being the leading scorer is if their is no "guy" on the team..like the scenario you named above where everyone is just scoring...and teams dont feel the need to specifically try and shut him down

but we'll see...im sure you'll bring this up if im wrong in the season
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(08-05-2018 06:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:40 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  What ? Scoring is a stat. We’re discussing leading scorer.

Fredericks is going to be a great player. Doesn’t mean he Will lead the team in scoring .

Logan Johnson was great today. But it’s also an exhibition game against a team who didn’t play 3 starters. Tomorrow will be a bigger test.

I’m willing to bet you jarron leads this team in shots and scoring.

Also, watching UC play an exhibition game with no implications against a small lineup is a god aweful way to make an assessment.


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the stats comment was about fredricks vs williams....not who would be the leading scorer

the premise behind why i said i dont think cumberland would be the leading scorer is that i dont think he does well when the defense is focused on him or he is initiating the offense and driving. he tried it like 5times and not one of them ended in a made buck...his points came when the defense was focusing on broome and he swung it cumberland who had space


Lol, he isn’t a point guard. Are you saying all leading scorers have to be ball dominant ? That’s just stupid. Good point guards break down the defense so their bucket getters get easy looks. Jarron is our scorer.

That’s like saying, a shooting guard like jarron would not be a very good point guard...... no ****. That’s why he is a scoring guard.

And you saying Fredericks or cane will be the leading scorer only re-enforces your own point. If those 2 plus Keith Williams are good then it opens up jarron even more lol. Jarron can dribble drive, it’s just he gets a lot of charges called that made him a little gun shy. The dude is already on at least one mock draft. He is going to be hunger to prove he is elite. The way he took care of his body in the off season is proof as much as previously he never bought into the diet changes our program pushes.

But will see.

You literally just want find a narrative that degrades jarron. Every one publication disagrees and even Cronin thinks he’s more like Sean kilpatrick then any other Bearcat the last few years l.




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you are acting like i said he would be bad. i said he would still score over 10 a game..you are acting like i said Cincy would be bad, ignoring i said i felt cincy was a lock for the tourney

and where did i say they had to be ball dominant??? my point was about being the focus of the defense..thats not even the same thing....

to get into detail if you follow jarron in a game, he is normally at the complete otherside of where the defensive focus is. he is very good at catching defenses off balance...his best and most frequent move is the pump fake when defender are running to re-establish their defense on him.

like i said earlier i think he is most deadly when the defenses fear someone else more than him, and whoever is guarding him tries to help guard that more "feared" player...look at the first half of the ottawa game, cumberland was the most feared, and cumberland tried to play "that role". he'd iso himself in a corner and try and drive and it was producing nothing and he slowly started to fade...at one point broome became the strongest presence on the court. ottawa was focusing more on him and that gave Cumberland room..thats when he found himself with space to shoot, at one point had a 5'10 player guarding him in the paint becuase they were trying to switch of to focus on broome (which was easy points for jarron)

my point wasnt about being ball dominant but spacing and focus. on tight defense he isnt shaking and baking anyone or blowing by anyone with speed..if he muscles his way to the paint, its not like he a repateur of fancy layups or going to dunk on anyone.. that if he tries to play the role of "the guy" at cincy it will come at detriment..the role he played last year is ideal....
the only way i see him being the leading scorer is if their is no "guy" on the team..like the scenario you named above where everyone is just scoring...and teams dont feel the need to specifically try and shut him down

but we'll see...im sure you'll bring this up if im wrong in the season


Lol but what’s hilarious is you also praised cane and Fredericks.... so if you praise those 2, wouldn’t they be the attention defectors that you say jarron needs so badly? Makes sense to me. Cane and Fredericks ability will continue to give jarron the space he needs to operate.



Imo we haven’t even seen the entirety of jarron’s game.

I mean your clearly trying to show off how elite your scouting skills are and yet, fail to see something as simple as jarron being the leader of the team and jarron having a knack for scoring, especially in big games and jarron certainly is going to attempt 4-5 more shots that any other player on this team.


And nearly every publication has him as a first team all AAC player. He ain’t getting that award at 10ppg.






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(08-05-2018 06:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:40 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  What ? Scoring is a stat. We’re discussing leading scorer.

Fredericks is going to be a great player. Doesn’t mean he Will lead the team in scoring .

Logan Johnson was great today. But it’s also an exhibition game against a team who didn’t play 3 starters. Tomorrow will be a bigger test.

I’m willing to bet you jarron leads this team in shots and scoring.

Also, watching UC play an exhibition game with no implications against a small lineup is a god aweful way to make an assessment.


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the stats comment was about fredricks vs williams....not who would be the leading scorer

the premise behind why i said i dont think cumberland would be the leading scorer is that i dont think he does well when the defense is focused on him or he is initiating the offense and driving. he tried it like 5times and not one of them ended in a made buck...his points came when the defense was focusing on broome and he swung it cumberland who had space


Lol, he isn’t a point guard. Are you saying all leading scorers have to be ball dominant ? That’s just stupid. Good point guards break down the defense so their bucket getters get easy looks. Jarron is our scorer.

That’s like saying, a shooting guard like jarron would not be a very good point guard...... no ****. That’s why he is a scoring guard.

And you saying Fredericks or cane will be the leading scorer only re-enforces your own point. If those 2 plus Keith Williams are good then it opens up jarron even more lol. Jarron can dribble drive, it’s just he gets a lot of charges called that made him a little gun shy. The dude is already on at least one mock draft. He is going to be hunger to prove he is elite. The way he took care of his body in the off season is proof as much as previously he never bought into the diet changes our program pushes.

But will see.

You literally just want find a narrative that degrades jarron. Every one publication disagrees and even Cronin thinks he’s more like Sean kilpatrick then any other Bearcat the last few years l.




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you are acting like i said he would be bad. i said he would still score over 10 a game..you are acting like i said Cincy would be bad, ignoring i said i felt cincy was a lock for the tourney

and where did i say they had to be ball dominant??? my point was about being the focus of the defense..thats not even the same thing....

to get into detail if you follow jarron in a game, he is normally at the complete otherside of where the defensive focus is. he is very good at catching defenses off balance...his best and most frequent move is the pump fake when defender are running to re-establish their defense on him.

like i said earlier i think he is most deadly when the defenses fear someone else more than him, and whoever is guarding him tries to help guard that more "feared" player...look at the first half of the ottawa game, cumberland was the most feared, and cumberland tried to play "that role". he'd iso himself in a corner and try and drive and it was producing nothing and he slowly started to fade...at one point broome became the strongest presence on the court. ottawa was focusing more on him and that gave Cumberland room..thats when he found himself with space to shoot, at one point had a 5'10 player guarding him in the paint becuase they were trying to switch of to focus on broome (which was easy points for jarron)

my point wasnt about being ball dominant but spacing and focus. on tight defense he isnt shaking and baking anyone or blowing by anyone with speed..if he muscles his way to the paint, its not like he a repateur of fancy layups or going to dunk on anyone.. that if he tries to play the role of "the guy" at cincy it will come at detriment..the role he played last year is ideal....
the only way i see him being the leading scorer is if their is no "guy" on the team..like the scenario you named above where everyone is just scoring...and teams dont feel the need to specifically try and shut him down

but we'll see...im sure you'll bring this up if im wrong in the season

Lol also are we watching the same guy.

He can playmake bruh

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(08-05-2018 06:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:40 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(08-05-2018 05:15 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  What ? Scoring is a stat. We’re discussing leading scorer.

Fredericks is going to be a great player. Doesn’t mean he Will lead the team in scoring .

Logan Johnson was great today. But it’s also an exhibition game against a team who didn’t play 3 starters. Tomorrow will be a bigger test.

I’m willing to bet you jarron leads this team in shots and scoring.

Also, watching UC play an exhibition game with no implications against a small lineup is a god aweful way to make an assessment.


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the stats comment was about fredricks vs williams....not who would be the leading scorer

the premise behind why i said i dont think cumberland would be the leading scorer is that i dont think he does well when the defense is focused on him or he is initiating the offense and driving. he tried it like 5times and not one of them ended in a made buck...his points came when the defense was focusing on broome and he swung it cumberland who had space


Lol, he isn’t a point guard. Are you saying all leading scorers have to be ball dominant ? That’s just stupid. Good point guards break down the defense so their bucket getters get easy looks. Jarron is our scorer.

That’s like saying, a shooting guard like jarron would not be a very good point guard...... no ****. That’s why he is a scoring guard.

And you saying Fredericks or cane will be the leading scorer only re-enforces your own point. If those 2 plus Keith Williams are good then it opens up jarron even more lol. Jarron can dribble drive, it’s just he gets a lot of charges called that made him a little gun shy. The dude is already on at least one mock draft. He is going to be hunger to prove he is elite. The way he took care of his body in the off season is proof as much as previously he never bought into the diet changes our program pushes.

But will see.

You literally just want find a narrative that degrades jarron. Every one publication disagrees and even Cronin thinks he’s more like Sean kilpatrick then any other Bearcat the last few years l.




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you are acting like i said he would be bad. i said he would still score over 10 a game..you are acting like i said Cincy would be bad, ignoring i said i felt cincy was a lock for the tourney

and where did i say they had to be ball dominant??? my point was about being the focus of the defense..thats not even the same thing....

to get into detail if you follow jarron in a game, he is normally at the complete otherside of where the defensive focus is. he is very good at catching defenses off balance...his best and most frequent move is the pump fake when defender are running to re-establish their defense on him.

like i said earlier i think he is most deadly when the defenses fear someone else more than him, and whoever is guarding him tries to help guard that more "feared" player...look at the first half of the ottawa game, cumberland was the most feared, and cumberland tried to play "that role". he'd iso himself in a corner and try and drive and it was producing nothing and he slowly started to fade...at one point broome became the strongest presence on the court. ottawa was focusing more on him and that gave Cumberland room..thats when he found himself with space to shoot, at one point had a 5'10 player guarding him in the paint becuase they were trying to switch of to focus on broome (which was easy points for jarron)

my point wasnt about being ball dominant but spacing and focus. on tight defense he isnt shaking and baking anyone or blowing by anyone with speed..if he muscles his way to the paint, its not like he a repateur of fancy layups or going to dunk on anyone.. that if he tries to play the role of "the guy" at cincy it will come at detriment..the role he played last year is ideal....
the only way i see him being the leading scorer is if their is no "guy" on the team..like the scenario you named above where everyone is just scoring...and teams dont feel the need to specifically try and shut him down

but we'll see...im sure you'll bring this up if im wrong in the season

Lol also are we watching the same guy.

He can playmake bruh

https://youtu.be/iSO3tYhXrlw



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