(08-05-2018 08:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 08:04 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 06:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 05:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 04:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If Houston had run the table the year they beat Oklahoma and Louisville, playoffs.

I don’t see how. That UH 2016 schedule had a lower SOS than the 2017 UCF schedule that was dismissed by the committee as too weak.

Average SOS, but the peaks are what would matter. You'd have an undefeated conference champ that beat a P5 champ and a very high-rated ACC contender.

That's the problem the committee has with the UCFs and Boises when they are unbeaten and have a SOS of around 75 - their best win is usually in-conference, a win over a #20 ranked team from their own G5 conference, which doesn't prove they could hang with P5 big boys.

No committee is ever going to be impressed with UCF's 'signature win' being over #21 Memphis or Boise's being a win over #20 Fresno State.

But you beat #5 Big 12 champ Oklahoma, then you have something.

Garbage in, garbage out. Same big boy mentality. We don't have any conclusive way to prove teams in the power leagues are better than outsiders other conjecture and assumptions. Then when it's proven wrong on the field, it's ignored.

So what they play 8-10 teams from the 65, teams 25-75 overall are roughly equal and no not close to all of them are from the so called P5.

Not sure we disagree here. An A5 team that has a #75 schedule and didn't play anyone higher than say #20 will struggle to make playoffs too.

Didn't Wisconsin have a pretty bad SOS while sitting in the drivers seat to a playoff spot? Obviously they crapped the bed, but they were sitting pretty even with a horrible schedule toward the end of the season. They were a 4 seed before the Ohio State loss in the conference championship. If things were equal, which they are not, they would have been #10-12 going into that CCG.

(08-07-2018 06:38 AM)otown Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 08:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 08:04 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 06:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 05:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I don’t see how. That UH 2016 schedule had a lower SOS than the 2017 UCF schedule that was dismissed by the committee as too weak.

Average SOS, but the peaks are what would matter. You'd have an undefeated conference champ that beat a P5 champ and a very high-rated ACC contender.

That's the problem the committee has with the UCFs and Boises when they are unbeaten and have a SOS of around 75 - their best win is usually in-conference, a win over a #20 ranked team from their own G5 conference, which doesn't prove they could hang with P5 big boys.

No committee is ever going to be impressed with UCF's 'signature win' being over #21 Memphis or Boise's being a win over #20 Fresno State.

But you beat #5 Big 12 champ Oklahoma, then you have something.

Garbage in, garbage out. Same big boy mentality. We don't have any conclusive way to prove teams in the power leagues are better than outsiders other conjecture and assumptions. Then when it's proven wrong on the field, it's ignored.

So what they play 8-10 teams from the 65, teams 25-75 overall are roughly equal and no not close to all of them are from the so called P5.

Not sure we disagree here. An A5 team that has a #75 schedule and didn't play anyone higher than say #20 will struggle to make playoffs too.

Didn't Wisconsin have a pretty bad SOS while sitting in the drivers seat to a playoff spot? Obviously they crapped the bed, but they were sitting pretty even with a horrible schedule toward the end of the season. They were a 4 seed before the Ohio State loss in the conference championship. If things were equal, which they are not, they would have been #10-12 going into that CCG.

I'm not sure what Wisconsin's SOS was at the time of the Ohio State game. But no question, "big name" teams do tend to get the benefit of the doubt in rankings.

(08-07-2018 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 06:38 AM)otown Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 08:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 08:04 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 06:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Average SOS, but the peaks are what would matter. You'd have an undefeated conference champ that beat a P5 champ and a very high-rated ACC contender.

That's the problem the committee has with the UCFs and Boises when they are unbeaten and have a SOS of around 75 - their best win is usually in-conference, a win over a #20 ranked team from their own G5 conference, which doesn't prove they could hang with P5 big boys.

No committee is ever going to be impressed with UCF's 'signature win' being over #21 Memphis or Boise's being a win over #20 Fresno State.

But you beat #5 Big 12 champ Oklahoma, then you have something.

Garbage in, garbage out. Same big boy mentality. We don't have any conclusive way to prove teams in the power leagues are better than outsiders other conjecture and assumptions. Then when it's proven wrong on the field, it's ignored.

So what they play 8-10 teams from the 65, teams 25-75 overall are roughly equal and no not close to all of them are from the so called P5.

Not sure we disagree here. An A5 team that has a #75 schedule and didn't play anyone higher than say #20 will struggle to make playoffs too.

Didn't Wisconsin have a pretty bad SOS while sitting in the drivers seat to a playoff spot? Obviously they crapped the bed, but they were sitting pretty even with a horrible schedule toward the end of the season. They were a 4 seed before the Ohio State loss in the conference championship. If things were equal, which they are not, they would have been #10-12 going into that CCG.

I'm not sure what Wisconsin's SOS was at the time of the Ohio State game. But no question, "big name" teams do tend to get the benefit of the doubt in rankings.

But then, when Ohio State beat the Badgers, it wasn't enough for them to jump over idle Alabama. Maybe if Wisconsin's SOS had been higher, Ohio State would have gotten more credit for beating them and the B1G wouldn't have been shut out of the CFP.

A G5 allowed to play in CFP, absolutely impossible. That would break the system.

If a G5 program wants to make the current 4 team playoff format they need to schedule a brutal OOC schedule. At least 3 P5 teams, and that might not even be enough, a G5 team going undefeated beating 4 P5 teams would definitely put them in the mix.

(08-07-2018 01:23 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  If a G5 program wants to make the current 4 team playoff format they need to schedule a brutal OOC schedule. At least 3 P5 teams, and that might not even be enough, a G5 team going undefeated beating 4 P5 teams would definitely put them in the mix.

Wouldnt matter. It would still be at best the 66th best schedule in FBS. The committee would simply cite a weak SOS and rank them between 10-15. Its not like we dont have a track record of the committee manufacturing ever changing narratives in order to arrange the big brand matchups they desire.

(08-07-2018 01:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:23 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  If a G5 program wants to make the current 4 team playoff format they need to schedule a brutal OOC schedule. At least 3 P5 teams, and that might not even be enough, a G5 team going undefeated beating 4 P5 teams would definitely put them in the mix.

Wouldnt matter. It would still be at best the 66th best schedule in FBS. The committee would simply cite a weak SOS and rank them between 10-15. Its not like we dont have a track record of the committee manufacturing ever changing narratives in order to arrange the big brand matchups they desire.

Really!?
So your telling me if a Boise St, UCF, or WMU beat 3 T25 P5's (MI St, Washington, VA Tech), and beat a powerhouse like Alabama, AND mopped the floor with their in conference slate, you think they would get shut out by the committee?

I would find that very hard to believe and I think there would be some serious controversy.

(08-07-2018 02:09 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:23 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  If a G5 program wants to make the current 4 team playoff format they need to schedule a brutal OOC schedule. At least 3 P5 teams, and that might not even be enough, a G5 team going undefeated beating 4 P5 teams would definitely put them in the mix.

Wouldnt matter. It would still be at best the 66th best schedule in FBS. The committee would simply cite a weak SOS and rank them between 10-15. Its not like we dont have a track record of the committee manufacturing ever changing narratives in order to arrange the big brand matchups they desire.

Really!?
So your telling me if a Boise St, UCF, or WMU beat 3 T25 P5's (MI St, Washington, VA Tech), and beat a powerhouse like Alabama, AND mopped the floor with their in conference slate, you think they would get shut out by the committee?

I would find that very hard to believe and I think there would be some serious controversy.

they stil would not let the g5 team in, If there was a p5 team that was equally deserving of that spot (which there always will be in thhe committees eyes.) There was a huge push back from the college sports fan base about ucf. but the committee didn't care.. Also that would never happen because no one would schedule those g5 teams with the chance they would lose to them. the only way we get in. Is with a aq. Its an uphill battle for the g5

(08-07-2018 02:18 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 02:09 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:23 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  If a G5 program wants to make the current 4 team playoff format they need to schedule a brutal OOC schedule. At least 3 P5 teams, and that might not even be enough, a G5 team going undefeated beating 4 P5 teams would definitely put them in the mix.

Wouldnt matter. It would still be at best the 66th best schedule in FBS. The committee would simply cite a weak SOS and rank them between 10-15. Its not like we dont have a track record of the committee manufacturing ever changing narratives in order to arrange the big brand matchups they desire.

Really!?
So your telling me if a Boise St, UCF, or WMU beat 3 T25 P5's (MI St, Washington, VA Tech), and beat a powerhouse like Alabama, AND mopped the floor with their in conference slate, you think they would get shut out by the committee?

I would find that very hard to believe and I think there would be some serious controversy.

they stil would not let the g5 team in, If there was a p5 team that was equally deserving of that spot (which there always will be in thhe committees eyes.) There was a huge push back from the college sports fan base about ucf. but the committee didn't care.. Also that would never happen because no one would schedule those g5 teams with the chance they would lose to them. the only way we get in. Is with a aq. Its an uphill battle for the g5

Alabama schedules G5 teams all the time. I do agree the CFP needs to expand but I do(maybe like) to believe that with the perfect storm a G5 could make it into a 4 team. They'd need a hell of an OOC schedule.

(08-07-2018 02:28 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 02:18 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 02:09 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:23 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  If a G5 program wants to make the current 4 team playoff format they need to schedule a brutal OOC schedule. At least 3 P5 teams, and that might not even be enough, a G5 team going undefeated beating 4 P5 teams would definitely put them in the mix.

Wouldnt matter. It would still be at best the 66th best schedule in FBS. The committee would simply cite a weak SOS and rank them between 10-15. Its not like we dont have a track record of the committee manufacturing ever changing narratives in order to arrange the big brand matchups they desire.

Really!?
So your telling me if a Boise St, UCF, or WMU beat 3 T25 P5's (MI St, Washington, VA Tech), and beat a powerhouse like Alabama, AND mopped the floor with their in conference slate, you think they would get shut out by the committee?

I would find that very hard to believe and I think there would be some serious controversy.

they stil would not let the g5 team in, If there was a p5 team that was equally deserving of that spot (which there always will be in thhe committees eyes.) There was a huge push back from the college sports fan base about ucf. but the committee didn't care.. Also that would never happen because no one would schedule those g5 teams with the chance they would lose to them. the only way we get in. Is with a aq. Its an uphill battle for the g5

Alabama schedules G5 teams all the time. I do agree the CFP needs to expand but I do(maybe like) to believe that with the perfect storm a G5 could make it into a 4 team. They'd need a hell of an OOC schedule.

yeah, but they don't schedule like a ucf or Boise state. They schedule middle of the road g5 teams that they know they can crush. They are bad enough so they don't poise a threat, but they are good enough so that they get something out of a win against that team.

(08-07-2018 02:09 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-07-2018 01:23 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  If a G5 program wants to make the current 4 team playoff format they need to schedule a brutal OOC schedule. At least 3 P5 teams, and that might not even be enough, a G5 team going undefeated beating 4 P5 teams would definitely put them in the mix.

Wouldnt matter. It would still be at best the 66th best schedule in FBS. The committee would simply cite a weak SOS and rank them between 10-15. Its not like we dont have a track record of the committee manufacturing ever changing narratives in order to arrange the big brand matchups they desire.

Really!?
So your telling me if a Boise St, UCF, or WMU beat 3 T25 P5's (MI St, Washington, VA Tech), and beat a powerhouse like Alabama, AND mopped the floor with their in conference slate, you think they would get shut out by the committee?

I would find that very hard to believe and I think there would be some serious controversy.

lol. They dont care. Everyone knows its rigged. They would sinmply say the SOS for WMU would be inferior to whoever they want in (and it would be true becasue no G5 can get mcuh past #66 in SOS and still play a full 8-game G5 conference slate). Look---the committee screwed both Baylor and TCU---and those are P5 schools. You really think They'd have a problem stiffing some random G5? Hell--that was the whole reason the P5 insisted on a selection committee rather than relying polls and computer models that were outside of their control.

That said---the team you describe MIGHT make it into the top ten. I figure thats why the committee is being so ridiculous with undefeated G5 rankings (placing them well outside the top ten behind 3 and 4 loss P5's). That gives the committee a "trophy ranking" in their back pocket they can bestow upon any G5 that makes an obvious case for the top 4. They will put them in the top ten and point to that ranking as being an unprecedented measure of the respect the committee showed that G5 team---but no way would they get a playoff slot. Im pretty sure thats how it would have played out for Houston had they run the table in 2016.

By the way---Im not saying such a G5 wouldnt deserve a playoff slot. Im just saying the CFP is a totally rigged joke in this regard and would never award a G5 a slot no matter what they do or accomplish.