(08-14-2018 11:02 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:56 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:45 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:36 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:29 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Hilarious. The internet wins again.

No slight on Tulsa as they truly have accomplished more with less than 90% of schools in the nation, but that is just an absurd comment. Any CUSA at the time would go begging to get into the BE/AAC and out of CUSA. It's just absurd. Hell, even now any CUSA school (S Miss/Rice in particular) would literally sell their first born to get an AAC invite, and that is after the BE schools left (which was not the case when this supposed invite was granted to Tulsa before Tulane and ECU).

You can think what you want, friend. I respect Tulane and what they do as well, but I know without a doubt the Big East came knocking before those two invites went out. It is what it is though - we’re all in this together

It's largely irrelevant at this point but I would like to see even the smallest shred of evidence. The Tulsa board should be fired immediately if it took them over a year to accept a golden parachute out of the CUSA swamp. As I said, at the time of the Tulane invite, every CUSA would have accepted a BE/AAC invite without even a second of trepidation. To say otherwise is to ignore reality, not to mention if your story is true, you would have been also rejecting an opportunity to play Bball with all the current BE schools, that alone would have been worth the move (nevermind getting to play AAC FBall schools over the awful CUSA lineup). Like I said, it seems like fantasy land. Again, this is no slight to Tulsa, just reality. Unfortunately the Tulsa market just doesn't move the dial despite you guys consistently winning. Frankly, as Tulane alum it is a joke that we perform like crap while Tulsa does so much more with arguably less.

The initial offer was for football only to match with the others in the "west wing". Tulsa took a while considering it, the mwc took some interest as everyone was scrambling around. Tulsa didn't want to split teams and was distrustful of the mwc after the WAC 16 fiasco. The changing situation presented Tulsa with the opportunity for full membership going east with teams they had established good relationships with. Bob's your uncle, Tulsa is in the AAC.

Explain to me one good reason why the BE would offer Tulsa a FBall only invite over ECU? It's asinine.

This is the first I have heard of this and I am still waiting for one shred of evidence. You are aware that there are many many rumors that get thrown around, especially about conference realignment. Hell virtually every current AAC member at one time (according to the interwebs) was just a few days away from a B12/ACC invite.

How many people attend your school?

Tulsa is incredibly small, smaller than my high school was. The faculty, administration, and donors are a small group.

Tulsa was offered as a football member only because like everything it is all about location and market.

Of course four division championships in seven years and three ten win seasons (three in four years) in that same time frame looks nice, especially with eight or more wins in six of those years and bowl appearences for each of those six years.

Tulsa record 2005-2012
9-4 (division winner, champ)
8-5
10-4 (division winner)
11-3 (division winner)
5-7
10-3 (division winner) finished AP #24
8-5

In that same time ECU had 3 losing seasons two division and conference championships.

ECU record 2005-2012
5-6
7-6
8-5
9-5 (division winner, champ)
9-5 (division winner, champ)
6-7
5-7

So you know performance too I guess.

(08-14-2018 12:09 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 11:02 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:56 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:45 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:36 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  You can think what you want, friend. I respect Tulane and what they do as well, but I know without a doubt the Big East came knocking before those two invites went out. It is what it is though - we’re all in this together

It's largely irrelevant at this point but I would like to see even the smallest shred of evidence. The Tulsa board should be fired immediately if it took them over a year to accept a golden parachute out of the CUSA swamp. As I said, at the time of the Tulane invite, every CUSA would have accepted a BE/AAC invite without even a second of trepidation. To say otherwise is to ignore reality, not to mention if your story is true, you would have been also rejecting an opportunity to play Bball with all the current BE schools, that alone would have been worth the move (nevermind getting to play AAC FBall schools over the awful CUSA lineup). Like I said, it seems like fantasy land. Again, this is no slight to Tulsa, just reality. Unfortunately the Tulsa market just doesn't move the dial despite you guys consistently winning. Frankly, as Tulane alum it is a joke that we perform like crap while Tulsa does so much more with arguably less.

The initial offer was for football only to match with the others in the "west wing". Tulsa took a while considering it, the mwc took some interest as everyone was scrambling around. Tulsa didn't want to split teams and was distrustful of the mwc after the WAC 16 fiasco. The changing situation presented Tulsa with the opportunity for full membership going east with teams they had established good relationships with. Bob's your uncle, Tulsa is in the AAC.

Explain to me one good reason why the BE would offer Tulsa a FBall only invite over ECU? It's asinine.

This is the first I have heard of this and I am still waiting for one shred of evidence. You are aware that there are many many rumors that get thrown around, especially about conference realignment. Hell virtually every current AAC member at one time (according to the interwebs) was just a few days away from a B12/ACC invite.

Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant to the offer being made. I’m sure you were much more interested in what Tulane was doing back then than what Tulsa was doing. There were lots of discussions about this among TU fans at the time. The big issue was that it was football only, if it had been all sports there would have been no hesitation. About half of the fans were pushing to accept the MWC offer of full membership. When the full membership offer came from the BE, about the same time they changed the ECU and Tulane offers to full membership, then thay were fairly quick to accept.

K. Just an FYI, Tulane's offer was always full membership.

(08-14-2018 12:14 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 11:02 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:56 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:45 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:36 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  You can think what you want, friend. I respect Tulane and what they do as well, but I know without a doubt the Big East came knocking before those two invites went out. It is what it is though - we’re all in this together

It's largely irrelevant at this point but I would like to see even the smallest shred of evidence. The Tulsa board should be fired immediately if it took them over a year to accept a golden parachute out of the CUSA swamp. As I said, at the time of the Tulane invite, every CUSA would have accepted a BE/AAC invite without even a second of trepidation. To say otherwise is to ignore reality, not to mention if your story is true, you would have been also rejecting an opportunity to play Bball with all the current BE schools, that alone would have been worth the move (nevermind getting to play AAC FBall schools over the awful CUSA lineup). Like I said, it seems like fantasy land. Again, this is no slight to Tulsa, just reality. Unfortunately the Tulsa market just doesn't move the dial despite you guys consistently winning. Frankly, as Tulane alum it is a joke that we perform like crap while Tulsa does so much more with arguably less.

The initial offer was for football only to match with the others in the "west wing". Tulsa took a while considering it, the mwc took some interest as everyone was scrambling around. Tulsa didn't want to split teams and was distrustful of the mwc after the WAC 16 fiasco. The changing situation presented Tulsa with the opportunity for full membership going east with teams they had established good relationships with. Bob's your uncle, Tulsa is in the AAC.

Explain to me one good reason why the BE would offer Tulsa a FBall only invite over ECU? It's asinine.

This is the first I have heard of this and I am still waiting for one shred of evidence. You are aware that there are many many rumors that get thrown around, especially about conference realignment. Hell virtually every current AAC member at one time (according to the interwebs) was just a few days away from a B12/ACC invite.

How many people attend your school?

Tulsa is incredibly small, smaller than my high school was. The faculty, administration, and donors are a small group.

Tulsa was offered as a football member only because like everything it is all about location and market.

Of course four division championships in seven years and three ten win seasons (three in four years) in that same time frame looks nice, especially with eight or more wins in six of those years and bowl appearences for each of those six years.

Tulsa record 2005-2012
9-4 (division winner, champ)
8-5
10-4 (division winner)
11-3 (division winner)
5-7
10-3 (division winner) finished AP #24
8-5

In that same time ECU had 3 losing seasons two division and conference championships.

ECU record 2005-2012
5-6
7-6
8-5
9-5 (division winner, champ)
9-5 (division winner, champ)
6-7
5-7

So you know performance too I guess.

When did I question performance? The fact is that Tulsa and University of Tulsa (because of their tiny alumni, less than attractive market, poor market penetration, small poor state, undesirable travel location) is just not too desirable. Now before anyone wants to point out the obvious, I am aware that Tulane stinks at all thing athletic. With all that winning, Tulsa still has no fans and no market penetration, sad but true. If Tulsa won as they have but were located in NOLA, they would be top of the list for a B12 invite (assuming they invested in facilities).

ECU bangs out 45k each game in FBall and does plenty of winning. Not to mention they were better located for existing FBall teams. I remain that the idea Tulsa got any type of invite over ECU FBall, hell in many ways putrid Tulane, is crazy talk. Additionally, the idea that you board did not accept any type of offer and chose to stay in the absolute dredges of the watered down CUSA, is also crazy. Hell the money difference alone would be huge.

But I digress.

Tulsa fans like to talk about their wins in football. They have earned that. But, if wins were a high metric, Boise would have its choice of conferences. They have no choice except G4 or lower.

What matters to a conference and its members is whether a school is a contributor($) or a taker. Tulsa is a taker. Tell, how will that be changed.

(08-14-2018 01:08 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Tulsa fans like to talk about their wins in football. They have earned that. But, if wins were a high metric, Boise would have its choice of conferences. They have no choice except G4 or lower.

What matters to a conference and its members is whether a school is a contributor($) or a taker. Tulsa is a taker. Tell, how will that be changed.

By that logic, outside of around 50ish institutions, everyone is a “taker”

(08-14-2018 01:12 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 01:08 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Tulsa fans like to talk about their wins in football. They have earned that. But, if wins were a high metric, Boise would have its choice of conferences. They have no choice except G4 or lower.

What matters to a conference and its members is whether a school is a contributor($) or a taker. Tulsa is a taker. Tell, how will that be changed.

By that logic, outside of around 50ish institutions, everyone is a “taker”

Tulsa would be several thousand miles closer to the conference than Boise. That’s part of why we were chosen instead of them or SDSU. We were the closest “good” team to several of the schools and we shared a long history between several of the teams in the conference including SMU, Houston, Cincinnati, and Memphis. Also, we have a much better basketball program than any of the schools that were left over.

(08-14-2018 03:05 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 01:12 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 01:08 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Tulsa fans like to talk about their wins in football. They have earned that. But, if wins were a high metric, Boise would have its choice of conferences. They have no choice except G4 or lower.

What matters to a conference and its members is whether a school is a contributor($) or a taker. Tulsa is a taker. Tell, how will that be changed.

By that logic, outside of around 50ish institutions, everyone is a “taker”

Tulsa would be several thousand miles closer to the conference than Boise. That’s part of why we were chosen instead of them or SDSU. We were the closest “good” team to several of the schools and we shared a long history between several of the teams in the conference including SMU, Houston, Cincinnati, and Memphis. Also, we have a much better basketball program than any of the schools that were left over.

Wait Boise was chosen in front of all three of the recent additions. They just decided to leave once the BE schools jumped off the ship.

Tulsa is a good addition and deserves respect, I just find some of these comments to be absurd.

(08-14-2018 03:08 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 03:05 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 01:12 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 01:08 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Tulsa fans like to talk about their wins in football. They have earned that. But, if wins were a high metric, Boise would have its choice of conferences. They have no choice except G4 or lower.

What matters to a conference and its members is whether a school is a contributor($) or a taker. Tulsa is a taker. Tell, how will that be changed.

By that logic, outside of around 50ish institutions, everyone is a “taker”

Tulsa would be several thousand miles closer to the conference than Boise. That’s part of why we were chosen instead of them or SDSU. We were the closest “good” team to several of the schools and we shared a long history between several of the teams in the conference including SMU, Houston, Cincinnati, and Memphis. Also, we have a much better basketball program than any of the schools that were left over.

Wait Boise was chosen in front of all three of the recent additions. They just decided to leave once the BE schools jumped off the ship.

Tulsa is a good addition and deserves respect, I just find some of these comments to be absurd.

And I found it absurd that Tulane fans were saying they were going to get a big12 invite... but I didn’t trash you guys for it.

(08-14-2018 01:08 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Tulsa fans like to talk about their wins in football. They have earned that. But, if wins were a high metric, Boise would have its choice of conferences. They have no choice except G4 or lower.

What matters to a conference and its members is whether a school is a contributor($) or a taker. Tulsa is a taker. Tell, how will that be changed.

Boise was selected before us.

You're right we're takers, we took your lunch money last year in Tulsa, we'll do it this year in Houston.

(08-14-2018 12:29 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 12:14 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 11:02 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:56 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:45 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  It's largely irrelevant at this point but I would like to see even the smallest shred of evidence. The Tulsa board should be fired immediately if it took them over a year to accept a golden parachute out of the CUSA swamp. As I said, at the time of the Tulane invite, every CUSA would have accepted a BE/AAC invite without even a second of trepidation. To say otherwise is to ignore reality, not to mention if your story is true, you would have been also rejecting an opportunity to play Bball with all the current BE schools, that alone would have been worth the move (nevermind getting to play AAC FBall schools over the awful CUSA lineup). Like I said, it seems like fantasy land. Again, this is no slight to Tulsa, just reality. Unfortunately the Tulsa market just doesn't move the dial despite you guys consistently winning. Frankly, as Tulane alum it is a joke that we perform like crap while Tulsa does so much more with arguably less.

The initial offer was for football only to match with the others in the "west wing". Tulsa took a while considering it, the mwc took some interest as everyone was scrambling around. Tulsa didn't want to split teams and was distrustful of the mwc after the WAC 16 fiasco. The changing situation presented Tulsa with the opportunity for full membership going east with teams they had established good relationships with. Bob's your uncle, Tulsa is in the AAC.

Explain to me one good reason why the BE would offer Tulsa a FBall only invite over ECU? It's asinine.

This is the first I have heard of this and I am still waiting for one shred of evidence. You are aware that there are many many rumors that get thrown around, especially about conference realignment. Hell virtually every current AAC member at one time (according to the interwebs) was just a few days away from a B12/ACC invite.

How many people attend your school?

Tulsa is incredibly small, smaller than my high school was. The faculty, administration, and donors are a small group.

Tulsa was offered as a football member only because like everything it is all about location and market.

Of course four division championships in seven years and three ten win seasons (three in four years) in that same time frame looks nice, especially with eight or more wins in six of those years and bowl appearences for each of those six years.

Tulsa record 2005-2012
9-4 (division winner, champ)
8-5
10-4 (division winner)
11-3 (division winner)
5-7
10-3 (division winner) finished AP #24
8-5

In that same time ECU had 3 losing seasons two division and conference championships.

ECU record 2005-2012
5-6
7-6
8-5
9-5 (division winner, champ)
9-5 (division winner, champ)
6-7
5-7

So you know performance too I guess.

When did I question performance? The fact is that Tulsa and University of Tulsa (because of their tiny alumni, less than attractive market, poor market penetration, small poor state, undesirable travel location) is just not too desirable. Now before anyone wants to point out the obvious, I am aware that Tulane stinks at all thing athletic. With all that winning, Tulsa still has no fans and no market penetration, sad but true. If Tulsa won as they have but were located in NOLA, they would be top of the list for a B12 invite (assuming they invested in facilities).

ECU bangs out 45k each game in FBall and does plenty of winning. Not to mention they were better located for existing FBall teams. I remain that the idea Tulsa got any type of invite over ECU FBall, hell in many ways putrid Tulane, is crazy talk. Additionally, the idea that you board did not accept any type of offer and chose to stay in the absolute dredges of the watered down CUSA, is also crazy. Hell the money difference alone would be huge.

But I digress.

As shown by the record no ECU does not win enough. The rest of their athletic program was weak, which is why they got football only. They're also in a small market.

Tulsa was too far away originally for all sports. Was averaging around 22,000, had a ton of on field respect and top 25 rankings/votes. Was in a major market that was redundit. Had past relationships with SDSU, Boise St who were western football only, as well as Memphis, Houston, Tulane. SMU and TU had also been through the WAC 16 to cusa together.

So you're surprised we would be chosen to fit perfectly in a bridge to the west spot? Why? Who else would fit so well?

Past relationships? Check with all the western teams.

Market? Check top 50.

Performance? Check

Location? Check, close to Texas schools and Memphis. Boise and San Diego have gotten in and out as conference partners before.

I

(08-14-2018 04:25 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 12:29 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 12:14 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 11:02 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 10:56 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  The initial offer was for football only to match with the others in the "west wing". Tulsa took a while considering it, the mwc took some interest as everyone was scrambling around. Tulsa didn't want to split teams and was distrustful of the mwc after the WAC 16 fiasco. The changing situation presented Tulsa with the opportunity for full membership going east with teams they had established good relationships with. Bob's your uncle, Tulsa is in the AAC.

Explain to me one good reason why the BE would offer Tulsa a FBall only invite over ECU? It's asinine.

This is the first I have heard of this and I am still waiting for one shred of evidence. You are aware that there are many many rumors that get thrown around, especially about conference realignment. Hell virtually every current AAC member at one time (according to the interwebs) was just a few days away from a B12/ACC invite.

How many people attend your school?

Tulsa is incredibly small, smaller than my high school was. The faculty, administration, and donors are a small group.

Tulsa was offered as a football member only because like everything it is all about location and market.

Of course four division championships in seven years and three ten win seasons (three in four years) in that same time frame looks nice, especially with eight or more wins in six of those years and bowl appearences for each of those six years.

Tulsa record 2005-2012
9-4 (division winner, champ)
8-5
10-4 (division winner)
11-3 (division winner)
5-7
10-3 (division winner) finished AP #24
8-5

In that same time ECU had 3 losing seasons two division and conference championships.

ECU record 2005-2012
5-6
7-6
8-5
9-5 (division winner, champ)
9-5 (division winner, champ)
6-7
5-7

So you know performance too I guess.

When did I question performance? The fact is that Tulsa and University of Tulsa (because of their tiny alumni, less than attractive market, poor market penetration, small poor state, undesirable travel location) is just not too desirable. Now before anyone wants to point out the obvious, I am aware that Tulane stinks at all thing athletic. With all that winning, Tulsa still has no fans and no market penetration, sad but true. If Tulsa won as they have but were located in NOLA, they would be top of the list for a B12 invite (assuming they invested in facilities).

ECU bangs out 45k each game in FBall and does plenty of winning. Not to mention they were better located for existing FBall teams. I remain that the idea Tulsa got any type of invite over ECU FBall, hell in many ways putrid Tulane, is crazy talk. Additionally, the idea that you board did not accept any type of offer and chose to stay in the absolute dredges of the watered down CUSA, is also crazy. Hell the money difference alone would be huge.

But I digress.

As shown by the record no ECU does not win enough. The rest of their athletic program was weak, which is why they got football only. They're also in a small market.

Tulsa was too far away originally for all sports. Was averaging around 22,000, had a ton of on field respect and top 25 rankings/votes. Was in a major market that was redundit. Had past relationships with SDSU, Boise St who were western football only, as well as Memphis, Houston, Tulane. SMU and TU had also been through the WAC 16 to cusa together.

So you're surprised we would be chosen to fit perfectly in a bridge to the west spot? Why? Who else would fit so well?

Past relationships? Check with all the western teams.

Market? Check top 50.

Performance? Check

Location? Check, close to Texas schools and Memphis. Boise and San Diego have gotten in and out as conference partners before.

I

Reports at the time indicated that Tulsa was the last school chosen to join the AAC. They were chosen over UMass. It is not clear why UMass was not chosen, but it may have had something to do with their stadium situation.

ECU and Tulane had been picked to join the AAC in November 2012. Tulsa and UMass were not even considered until after Aresco missed out on BYU, which was sometime around March of 2013.

Sources: Big East gets NBC offer

"...The biggest obstacle will be the "Big East" conference name. Both the current Big East members and the Catholic 7 want to keep it.

"That's a sticking point in the negotiations," a source said. "They (the Catholic 7) want it and we (the remaining Big East schools) would like to keep it."

In 2014, the Big East will be left with a 10-member conference: UConn, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, SMU, Temple, Tulane and UCF. East Carolina, originally signed as a football-only member, is expected to be made a full member in 2014, Big East commissioner Mike Aresco has said.

In 2015, Navy is scheduled to join the Big East as a football-only member. Tulsa and UMass are the leading candidates to become the Big East's 12th member if the league decides to expand, sources told ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ghts-deals
https://www.masslive.com/umassbasketball...ent_s.html
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...t-nab-byu/
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-new-name/
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story...ng-sources

(08-14-2018 05:39 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 04:25 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 12:29 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 12:14 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 11:02 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Explain to me one good reason why the BE would offer Tulsa a FBall only invite over ECU? It's asinine.

This is the first I have heard of this and I am still waiting for one shred of evidence. You are aware that there are many many rumors that get thrown around, especially about conference realignment. Hell virtually every current AAC member at one time (according to the interwebs) was just a few days away from a B12/ACC invite.

How many people attend your school?

Tulsa is incredibly small, smaller than my high school was. The faculty, administration, and donors are a small group.

Tulsa was offered as a football member only because like everything it is all about location and market.

Of course four division championships in seven years and three ten win seasons (three in four years) in that same time frame looks nice, especially with eight or more wins in six of those years and bowl appearences for each of those six years.

Tulsa record 2005-2012
9-4 (division winner, champ)
8-5
10-4 (division winner)
11-3 (division winner)
5-7
10-3 (division winner) finished AP #24
8-5

In that same time ECU had 3 losing seasons two division and conference championships.

ECU record 2005-2012
5-6
7-6
8-5
9-5 (division winner, champ)
9-5 (division winner, champ)
6-7
5-7

So you know performance too I guess.

When did I question performance? The fact is that Tulsa and University of Tulsa (because of their tiny alumni, less than attractive market, poor market penetration, small poor state, undesirable travel location) is just not too desirable. Now before anyone wants to point out the obvious, I am aware that Tulane stinks at all thing athletic. With all that winning, Tulsa still has no fans and no market penetration, sad but true. If Tulsa won as they have but were located in NOLA, they would be top of the list for a B12 invite (assuming they invested in facilities).

ECU bangs out 45k each game in FBall and does plenty of winning. Not to mention they were better located for existing FBall teams. I remain that the idea Tulsa got any type of invite over ECU FBall, hell in many ways putrid Tulane, is crazy talk. Additionally, the idea that you board did not accept any type of offer and chose to stay in the absolute dredges of the watered down CUSA, is also crazy. Hell the money difference alone would be huge.

But I digress.

As shown by the record no ECU does not win enough. The rest of their athletic program was weak, which is why they got football only. They're also in a small market.

Tulsa was too far away originally for all sports. Was averaging around 22,000, had a ton of on field respect and top 25 rankings/votes. Was in a major market that was redundit. Had past relationships with SDSU, Boise St who were western football only, as well as Memphis, Houston, Tulane. SMU and TU had also been through the WAC 16 to cusa together.

So you're surprised we would be chosen to fit perfectly in a bridge to the west spot? Why? Who else would fit so well?

Past relationships? Check with all the western teams.

Market? Check top 50.

Performance? Check

Location? Check, close to Texas schools and Memphis. Boise and San Diego have gotten in and out as conference partners before.

I

Reports at the time indicated that Tulsa was the last school chosen to join the AAC. They were chosen over UMass. It is not clear why UMass was not chosen, but it may have had something to do with their stadium situation.

ECU and Tulane had been picked to join the AAC in November 2012. Tulsa and UMass were not even considered until after Aresco missed out on BYU, which was sometime around March of 2013.

Sources: Big East gets NBC offer

"...The biggest obstacle will be the "Big East" conference name. Both the current Big East members and the Catholic 7 want to keep it.

"That's a sticking point in the negotiations," a source said. "They (the Catholic 7) want it and we (the remaining Big East schools) would like to keep it."

In 2014, the Big East will be left with a 10-member conference: UConn, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, SMU, Temple, Tulane and UCF. East Carolina, originally signed as a football-only member, is expected to be made a full member in 2014, Big East commissioner Mike Aresco has said.

In 2015, Navy is scheduled to join the Big East as a football-only member. Tulsa and UMass are the leading candidates to become the Big East's 12th member if the league decides to expand, sources told ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ghts-deals
https://www.masslive.com/umassbasketball...ent_s.html
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...t-nab-byu/
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-new-name/
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story...ng-sources

Cool.

(08-14-2018 05:39 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 04:25 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 12:29 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 12:14 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 11:02 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Explain to me one good reason why the BE would offer Tulsa a FBall only invite over ECU? It's asinine.

This is the first I have heard of this and I am still waiting for one shred of evidence. You are aware that there are many many rumors that get thrown around, especially about conference realignment. Hell virtually every current AAC member at one time (according to the interwebs) was just a few days away from a B12/ACC invite.

How many people attend your school?

Tulsa is incredibly small, smaller than my high school was. The faculty, administration, and donors are a small group.

Tulsa was offered as a football member only because like everything it is all about location and market.

Of course four division championships in seven years and three ten win seasons (three in four years) in that same time frame looks nice, especially with eight or more wins in six of those years and bowl appearences for each of those six years.

Tulsa record 2005-2012
9-4 (division winner, champ)
8-5
10-4 (division winner)
11-3 (division winner)
5-7
10-3 (division winner) finished AP #24
8-5

In that same time ECU had 3 losing seasons two division and conference championships.

ECU record 2005-2012
5-6
7-6
8-5
9-5 (division winner, champ)
9-5 (division winner, champ)
6-7
5-7

So you know performance too I guess.

When did I question performance? The fact is that Tulsa and University of Tulsa (because of their tiny alumni, less than attractive market, poor market penetration, small poor state, undesirable travel location) is just not too desirable. Now before anyone wants to point out the obvious, I am aware that Tulane stinks at all thing athletic. With all that winning, Tulsa still has no fans and no market penetration, sad but true. If Tulsa won as they have but were located in NOLA, they would be top of the list for a B12 invite (assuming they invested in facilities).

ECU bangs out 45k each game in FBall and does plenty of winning. Not to mention they were better located for existing FBall teams. I remain that the idea Tulsa got any type of invite over ECU FBall, hell in many ways putrid Tulane, is crazy talk. Additionally, the idea that you board did not accept any type of offer and chose to stay in the absolute dredges of the watered down CUSA, is also crazy. Hell the money difference alone would be huge.

But I digress.

As shown by the record no ECU does not win enough. The rest of their athletic program was weak, which is why they got football only. They're also in a small market.

Tulsa was too far away originally for all sports. Was averaging around 22,000, had a ton of on field respect and top 25 rankings/votes. Was in a major market that was redundit. Had past relationships with SDSU, Boise St who were western football only, as well as Memphis, Houston, Tulane. SMU and TU had also been through the WAC 16 to cusa together.

So you're surprised we would be chosen to fit perfectly in a bridge to the west spot? Why? Who else would fit so well?

Past relationships? Check with all the western teams.

Market? Check top 50.

Performance? Check

Location? Check, close to Texas schools and Memphis. Boise and San Diego have gotten in and out as conference partners before.

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Reports at the time indicated that Tulsa was the last school chosen to join the AAC. They were chosen over UMass. It is not clear why UMass was not chosen, but it may have had something to do with their stadium situation.

ECU and Tulane had been picked to join the AAC in November 2012. Tulsa and UMass were not even considered until after Aresco missed out on BYU, which was sometime around March of 2013.

Sources: Big East gets NBC offer

"...The biggest obstacle will be the "Big East" conference name. Both the current Big East members and the Catholic 7 want to keep it.

"That's a sticking point in the negotiations," a source said. "They (the Catholic 7) want it and we (the remaining Big East schools) would like to keep it."

In 2014, the Big East will be left with a 10-member conference: UConn, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, SMU, Temple, Tulane and UCF. East Carolina, originally signed as a football-only member, is expected to be made a full member in 2014, Big East commissioner Mike Aresco has said.

In 2015, Navy is scheduled to join the Big East as a football-only member. Tulsa and UMass are the leading candidates to become the Big East's 12th member if the league decides to expand, sources told ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ghts-deals
https://www.masslive.com/umassbasketball...ent_s.html
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...t-nab-byu/
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-new-name/
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story...ng-sources

So this confirms the second part of what happened.

Our coach and administration discussed the football only invite in late October/November of 2012. Tulsa was on a streak of good seasons, multiple bowl appearences, and a 25 million dollar renovation of Skelly field. It was considered and then passed on, Tulsa did not want to split sports.

The big east continued on with it's plans which at that point still included Boise and SDSU as football only members. Offers had also been made to Air Force and BYU for football only which were also passed on.

When Boise and SDSU backed out, and all sports memberships became the offer; Tulsa was again considered.

Durring the same period the mwc was considering Tulsa. SDSU returning cooled the mwc interest as well as openning the door for the big east/AAC invite for all sports to Tulsa.

(08-14-2018 03:10 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 03:08 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 03:05 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 01:12 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 01:08 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Tulsa fans like to talk about their wins in football. They have earned that. But, if wins were a high metric, Boise would have its choice of conferences. They have no choice except G4 or lower.

What matters to a conference and its members is whether a school is a contributor($) or a taker. Tulsa is a taker. Tell, how will that be changed.

By that logic, outside of around 50ish institutions, everyone is a “taker”

Tulsa would be several thousand miles closer to the conference than Boise. That’s part of why we were chosen instead of them or SDSU. We were the closest “good” team to several of the schools and we shared a long history between several of the teams in the conference including SMU, Houston, Cincinnati, and Memphis. Also, we have a much better basketball program than any of the schools that were left over.

Wait Boise was chosen in front of all three of the recent additions. They just decided to leave once the BE schools jumped off the ship.

Tulsa is a good addition and deserves respect, I just find some of these comments to be absurd.

And I found it absurd that Tulane fans were saying they were going to get a big12 invite... but I didn’t trash you guys for it.

Have a great season

(08-14-2018 10:25 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 03:10 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 03:08 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 03:05 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 01:12 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  By that logic, outside of around 50ish institutions, everyone is a “taker”

Tulsa would be several thousand miles closer to the conference than Boise. That’s part of why we were chosen instead of them or SDSU. We were the closest “good” team to several of the schools and we shared a long history between several of the teams in the conference including SMU, Houston, Cincinnati, and Memphis. Also, we have a much better basketball program than any of the schools that were left over.

Wait Boise was chosen in front of all three of the recent additions. They just decided to leave once the BE schools jumped off the ship.

Tulsa is a good addition and deserves respect, I just find some of these comments to be absurd.

And I found it absurd that Tulane fans were saying they were going to get a big12 invite... but I didn’t trash you guys for it.

Have a great season

You too, friend.