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(08-13-2018 09:14 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 05:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 04:48 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  2018-19 DI manual here: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/D119.pdf

A cursory read doesn't seem to reveal any rule preventing a DII school reclassifying to DI from immediately joining the FBS. If there is indeed no such rule, then as John says, it's probably due to the absurdity of the notion.


May not be hard to heard of, but it have happened in the past with UAB and I believe UCF in 1996. UAB went from D3 Independent to 1A.

1996:
UAB football at the FBS level after moving up from D3 in 1993. Very short year span to do that.
So, West Texas A&M could go that route like being a D3 independent for a year, then FCS independent for a couple of years. Then joining the WAC in year 4 moving up. Unlike UAB or UCF and some others. West Texas A&M have never dropped their football, or starting it from scratch.

Buffalo went D-1 to D-3 to 1-AA to 1-A in their history

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/sports/17suny.html

Buffalo had went Division 1 in everything else a couple of years earlier and had been D-2 in everything else for a few years before that.
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(08-13-2018 09:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 08:52 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 05:29 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 05:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 04:48 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  2018-19 DI manual here: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/D119.pdf

A cursory read doesn't seem to reveal any rule preventing a DII school reclassifying to DI from immediately joining the FBS. If there is indeed no such rule, then as John says, it's probably due to the absurdity of the notion.


May not be hard to heard of, but it have happened in the past with UAB and I believe UCF in 1996. UAB went from D3 Independent to 1A.

1996:
UAB football at the FBS level after moving up from D3 in 1993. Very short year span to do that.
So, West Texas A&M could go that route like being a D3 independent for a year, then FCS independent for a couple of years. Then joining the WAC in year 4 moving up. Unlike UAB or UCF and some others. West Texas A&M have never dropped their football, or starting it from scratch.

UAB and UCF had already been non-football DI schools for years. Get a clue.

That and UCF had been 1-AA for 6 years before moving up. Also, UAB was in transition as the rules changed to require D-1 schools with D-3 football to upgrade to D-1. UAB was already in Conference USA for all other sports and the Pioneer League wasn't gonna work if Legion Field was to be their home.


Some sites are saying differently with UCF. Said they went from D2 straight to FBS in 1996. Said they had no stop over in FCS. Other sites disagree on the status of West Texas A&M. Some said they were an Independent FBS team from 1978 to until they dropped down to D2 with all other sports in the MVC. Others said they were never an FBS Independent. MVC and Southern University were FBS conferences until 1982 some sites have said. With the 15,000 attendance rules, some schools made the cut while others did not. We wound up having a lot of Independent schools in football after 1982. I think Southland would have been considered an FBS conference between 1978 and 1982, or conference named before then. Several schools back then in the MVC, OVC, Southland, Southern, Patriot and CAA have wound up homeless in football with the rules changes. One of them was Appalachian State who was an FBS Independent in the early 1980s. Ivy League was also an FBS conference back between 1978 and 1982. They did not liked what the big dogs keep changing the rules on the NCAA.

Considering they made the 1-AA Playoffs twice, that would be surprising. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UC...ll_seasons
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(08-13-2018 09:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 08:52 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 05:29 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 05:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 04:48 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  2018-19 DI manual here: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/D119.pdf

A cursory read doesn't seem to reveal any rule preventing a DII school reclassifying to DI from immediately joining the FBS. If there is indeed no such rule, then as John says, it's probably due to the absurdity of the notion.


May not be hard to heard of, but it have happened in the past with UAB and I believe UCF in 1996. UAB went from D3 Independent to 1A.

1996:
UAB football at the FBS level after moving up from D3 in 1993. Very short year span to do that.
So, West Texas A&M could go that route like being a D3 independent for a year, then FCS independent for a couple of years. Then joining the WAC in year 4 moving up. Unlike UAB or UCF and some others. West Texas A&M have never dropped their football, or starting it from scratch.

UAB and UCF had already been non-football DI schools for years. Get a clue.

That and UCF had been 1-AA for 6 years before moving up. Also, UAB was in transition as the rules changed to require D-1 schools with D-3 football to upgrade to D-1. UAB was already in Conference USA for all other sports and the Pioneer League wasn't gonna work if Legion Field was to be their home.


Some sites are saying differently with UCF. Said they went from D2 straight to FBS in 1996. Said they had no stop over in FCS. Other sites disagree on the status of West Texas A&M. Some said they were an Independent FBS team from 1978 to until they dropped down to D2 with all other sports in the MVC. Others said they were never an FBS Independent. MVC and Southern University were FBS conferences until 1982 some sites have said. With the 15,000 attendance rules, some schools made the cut while others did not. We wound up having a lot of Independent schools in football after 1982. I think Southland would have been considered an FBS conference between 1978 and 1982, or conference named before then. Several schools back then in the MVC, OVC, Southland, Southern, Patriot and CAA have wound up homeless in football with the rules changes. One of them was Appalachian State who was an FBS Independent in the early 1980s. Ivy League was also an FBS conference back between 1978 and 1982. They did not liked what the big dogs keep changing the rules on the NCAA.

Any site that says UCF went straight from Division II to FBS isn't worth a ****. Delete the link.
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(08-11-2018 09:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northern Iowa wanted to go FBS in 2013. Get West Texas A&M to move up? They could be a better fit for New Mexico State. Northern Arizona have an FBS dome. We do not know who might want to move over. I thought the WAC wanted to expand before July 1st, but they have not. It would be hard to get any D1 to jump to the WAc right now. You may have to invite D2 schools that have stadiums that is over 15,000 stadium or as low as 10,000 to move up. Central Oklahoma, Dixie State and Azusa Pacific have below 15,000, but they could expand. AP is not that far from the Rose Bowl to use until they get their stadium upgraded. There are a couple of Lone Star schools that do play in stadiums over 15,000 already. They could be the future WAC FBS as well.

(08-12-2018 02:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  D2 schools could get an FBS invite. That is the only way they could join fBS skipping FCS. Back in 1996? UAB went from D3 Independent to become D1A Independent. That same year, UCF went from D2 Independent to 1A Independent. These schools could not do it today. North Alabama was thinking of asking the SBC if they will let them join. The issue is you can not join FBS unless you get an conference invite. If the WAC sends West Texas A&M an invite? Under the new rules? They can transaction to FBS from D1. The first year could be an a Independent year as long as they can get FBS schools to schedule them. I think New Mexico State, UTSA, New Mexico and UTEP could schedule them. They could also get Liberty and UMass. as well. They could play bodybag games with Arizona, Arizona State and Texas Tech. That would be like 9 easy to schedule. The other three could be against FCS opponents the first year. The second year it have to be 11 games or 10 games against FBS oppoenents and 2 against FCS. When the WAC finally gets to sponsor FBS football? D2 schools would be already finished the transition to D1.

(08-13-2018 07:12 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Then, UAB football at D3 and upgraded to FBS.
UCF football at D2 and upgraded to FBS.

I remember Buffalo's football team was in D3. Saw scores between them and Buffalo State, a cross town rivals back then.

Now, since there are no rules saying a D2 school could be invited to FBS, but that NAIA and D3 schools can not since they have to make a stop at D2 for 8 years before they could move up. Right now, West Texas A&M, UTPB, University of Charleston, Kingsville, Commerce, Midwestern State, Valdosta State and maybe schools like Central Missouri, Azusa Pacific, Central Oklahoma, Grand Valley State, Dixie State and Slippery Rock all have stadiums at the FBS levels or could have temp seatings that could reach 15,000.

Azusa Pacific, LA TV market could be a future MWC candidate if the LA area Big West schools do not restart their programs.
West Texas A&M in the Amarillo tv market could be a future candidate. Build up the stadiums for the city and for the on-campus. Could be a future site for a Bowl game like The Western Sizzling Bowl, or a future home for Outback Steakhouse Bowl. That part of Texas is cattle country, and known for their steaks.
Charleston in West Virginia is a good target in the future for the MAC. They used to be rivals to West Virginia and Marshall in the old days. Charleston is one of the larger cities in the state.
Midwestern State in Wichita Falls is in the Dallas/Fort Worth tv market, but they also have their own tv stations. They are pretty far removed from the whole Dallas Metroplex.
Valdosta State could represent the large populated area in southern Georgia.
Central Oklahoma is in the OKC metro area. They would be on the northern end of the market. Having them up at the FBS level might help get both them and Tulsa get more competitive in all sports. They both are off the I45 corridor. The state of Oklahoma could form a new bowl game for G5 called The Sooner Bowl.

I think those schools would have a much better abilities to jump from D2 to FBS. You have the cities involvement, donors, students enrollment and in some cases, endowments to make the leap.

These posts are so absurd it is beyond belief. It was like a wreck on the side of the road you can't stop looking at so I just had to reply to the silliness and falsehoods.

For a D2 to go FBS means adding 49 scholarships just for football, that is IF the school already offers the D2 max. No school in the Pennsylvania State, Northern Sun, Great Northwest, or Rocky Mountain offer the max. The NSIC just removed their conference max a year ago. The RMAC has been adding 2 each year to their conference max and will allow the D2 max starting in 2019.

North Alabama never had a chance for the Sun Belt. The SBC already has 2 Alabama schools. Jacksonville State would get the call long before UNA.

Whatever happened in 1996 or even 2006 means nothing to what can happen now. There has been too many rule changes.

If you are using temp seating, you have no business being D1.

Azusa Pacific and the LA TV market, seriously? LA has 2 NFL, 2 NHL, 2 MLB, 2 MLS, 2 NBA, 2 G-League, USC, UCLA, and another half dozen long-time well established colleges. APU does not own the stadium they play in, it belongs to the community college next door, so no stadium upgrades there. The Rose Bowl Stadium is not available because UCLA is already there.

The Outback Bowl leaves Tampa for the middle-of-nowhere west Texas because of the cow population, yeah right.

Charleston (WV) is a private school with 1,300 students. That is the opposite of the profile of MAC schools. "They used to be rivals to West Virginia and Marshall in the old days"; that was the old days, it's 2018 now and time to let it go.

Midwestern State and the DFW market is the same as Azusa Pacific for LA. Several pro teams and long-time well established colleges.

Valdosta State is in a town of 55,000 and a MSA of 140,000; that's not really a large populated area. Georgia Southern is only 3 hours away with over 27,000 students and serves the area well. Tallahassee is 1.5 hours away and Jacksonville is a 2 hour trip.

"Central Oklahoma is in the OKC metro area" ... and so is Norman. Stillwater is only an hour away. OKC also has the Thunder. How does UCO being in D1 help Tulsa to get more competitive?

It's not in the job description for cities to help schools move to D1. DFW, OKC, and LA already have plenty of major sports options available.
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(08-12-2018 10:14 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 06:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UTSA never competed for a Southland fb championship. They may have played some Southland schools, but never intended FCS as a destination. FCS was never ever a destination target for UNC-Charlotte, FIU, USA, USF and was merely a convenient short stop at FAU, UCF, ODU, Ga State, and other large public metro schools.

Fully expect the eventual WAC FCS will align fb with the Summit (Great Northern) for one last year of FCS, and then all those schools will be under the WAC banner for the FBS transition, and then divide among the Summit or WAC.

This incorrect re: ODU. They “restarted” football with FCS as the goal. VCU & GMU left the CAA and Wood Selig took over as AD, who pushed for C-USA (& FBS). It wasn’t AT ALL like UTSA/USA.

True, though I think eventually ODU would have looked at making the move to FBS. Like maybe 10 years down the road. And it probably would have changed how they handled their stadium situation not being on a short deadline like they are now. But the instability of the CAA and the loss of two of their biggest rivals forced their hand.
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Also there is, to the best of my knowledge, no precedent for a D2 to circumvent the transition rules in moving to D1. West Texas A&M can't get in the HOV lane to D1 just because they want to.
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(08-15-2018 06:21 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Also there is, to the best of my knowledge, no precedent for a D2 to circumvent the transition rules in moving to D1. West Texas A&M can't get in the HOV lane to D1 just because they want to.


Actually, the rules do not say that a D2 can not go to FBS. The rule say that you have to be in D2 for 8 years, and that they have to have a conference invite. So, D2 part checks out. All West Texas A&M needs is a conference invite. As for where they are located, and the population size? They even have a stadium that is already FBS size capacity, They are also building an on campus stadium that could be expanded to 22,500. That is really big enough to be FBS level.

As for Central Oklahoma? I-45 route from Edmond to Tulsa to Springfield. You could get an I-45 rivalry tournament going for those three, Wichita State and Orel Roberts. Maybe have a Missouri Southern and Northeast Oklahoma State in the preseason tournament for basketball? You could draw a lot of fans and interests.
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(08-15-2018 07:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 06:21 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Also there is, to the best of my knowledge, no precedent for a D2 to circumvent the transition rules in moving to D1. West Texas A&M can't get in the HOV lane to D1 just because they want to.


Actually, the rules do not say that a D2 can not go to FBS. The rule say that you have to be in D2 for 8 years, and that they have to have a conference invite. So, D2 part checks out. All West Texas A&M needs is a conference invite. As for where they are located, and the population size? They even have a stadium that is already FBS size capacity, They are also building an on campus stadium that could be expanded to 22,500. That is really big enough to be FBS level.

As for Central Oklahoma? I-45 route from Edmond to Tulsa to Springfield. You could get an I-45 rivalry tournament going for those three, Wichita State and Orel Roberts. Maybe have a Missouri Southern and Northeast Oklahoma State in the preseason tournament for basketball? You could draw a lot of fans and interests.

You have been corrected on this many times, West Texas A&M stadium is not going to be that big.

Quote:A concourse will provide full circulation for patrons around the stadium, and concession/restroom buildings will be distributed for efficiency of access. A new building will provide locker rooms for the home team, visiting team and officials. The 8,500 stadium seats will be constructed in long arcs along the west and east sides with an estimated total capacity of 12,000 with overflow berm seating and standing room only space at the concourse level. The stadium will offer opportunities for future expansion of up to 14,000 permanent seats. A new video scoreboard structure is planned for the north end zone and a ribbon board system along the front of the east and west upper decks.

http://wtamu.edu/news/university-to-brea...adium.aspx

The rest is delusional.
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(08-15-2018 11:19 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 07:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 06:21 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Also there is, to the best of my knowledge, no precedent for a D2 to circumvent the transition rules in moving to D1. West Texas A&M can't get in the HOV lane to D1 just because they want to.


Actually, the rules do not say that a D2 can not go to FBS. The rule say that you have to be in D2 for 8 years, and that they have to have a conference invite. So, D2 part checks out. All West Texas A&M needs is a conference invite. As for where they are located, and the population size? They even have a stadium that is already FBS size capacity, They are also building an on campus stadium that could be expanded to 22,500. That is really big enough to be FBS level.

As for Central Oklahoma? I-45 route from Edmond to Tulsa to Springfield. You could get an I-45 rivalry tournament going for those three, Wichita State and Orel Roberts. Maybe have a Missouri Southern and Northeast Oklahoma State in the preseason tournament for basketball? You could draw a lot of fans and interests.

You have been corrected on this many times, West Texas A&M stadium is not going to be that big.

Quote:A concourse will provide full circulation for patrons around the stadium, and concession/restroom buildings will be distributed for efficiency of access. A new building will provide locker rooms for the home team, visiting team and officials. The 8,500 stadium seats will be constructed in long arcs along the west and east sides with an estimated total capacity of 12,000 with overflow berm seating and standing room only space at the concourse level. The stadium will offer opportunities for future expansion of up to 14,000 permanent seats. A new video scoreboard structure is planned for the north end zone and a ribbon board system along the front of the east and west upper decks.

http://wtamu.edu/news/university-to-brea...adium.aspx

The rest is delusional.

1. In defense of DavidSt, the grammar supports him. 12,000 total capacity, plus "expansion of up to 14,000 permanent seats" is 26,000.

2. On the other hand, looking at the pictures I don't see where you put those seats. Perhaps the grammar is wrong, and it should read "expansion up to 14,000".

3. On the other other hand (the gripping hand), $40M seems like a helluvalot for a Division II stadium. Sure, maybe they have their eye on Division I, but $40M seems like a lot for a 12-14,000 FCS stadium. But maybe that's jsut what it costs in Texas--they spend that much on high school stadiums, so....
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It is a poorly worded paragraph...you can take that 14,000 either way. I'd give David St. a pass. I can't imagine they would go 1-A. Texas Tech is fairly close.
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(08-17-2018 08:27 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  It is a poorly worded paragraph...you can take that 14,000 either way. I'd give David St. a pass. I can't imagine they would go 1-A. Texas Tech is fairly close.

Considering it cost $20 million to build Mary Hardin Baylor's stadium a few years back (7-8K capacity, D-3 school), $40 million isn't too insane considering it's been a few years (increased labor and supply costs since the recession ended) and it's a larger capacity stadium for a team playing at a higher level.
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(08-17-2018 08:44 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(08-17-2018 08:27 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  It is a poorly worded paragraph...you can take that 14,000 either way. I'd give David St. a pass. I can't imagine they would go 1-A. Texas Tech is fairly close.

Considering it cost $20 million to build Mary Hardin Baylor's stadium a few years back (7-8K capacity, D-3 school), $40 million isn't too insane considering it's been a few years (increased labor and supply costs since the recession ended) and it's a larger capacity stadium for a team playing at a higher level.

That has to be the nicest Stadium in d3. It would be a top tier FCS stadium.
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(08-17-2018 09:14 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-17-2018 08:44 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(08-17-2018 08:27 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  It is a poorly worded paragraph...you can take that 14,000 either way. I'd give David St. a pass. I can't imagine they would go 1-A. Texas Tech is fairly close.

Considering it cost $20 million to build Mary Hardin Baylor's stadium a few years back (7-8K capacity, D-3 school), $40 million isn't too insane considering it's been a few years (increased labor and supply costs since the recession ended) and it's a larger capacity stadium for a team playing at a higher level.

That has to be the nicest Stadium in d3. It would be a top tier FCS stadium.

SUNY Cortland has nice facilities for D-3.

http://www2.cortland.edu/community/stadium/
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(08-17-2018 07:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 11:19 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 07:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 06:21 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Also there is, to the best of my knowledge, no precedent for a D2 to circumvent the transition rules in moving to D1. West Texas A&M can't get in the HOV lane to D1 just because they want to.


Actually, the rules do not say that a D2 can not go to FBS. The rule say that you have to be in D2 for 8 years, and that they have to have a conference invite. So, D2 part checks out. All West Texas A&M needs is a conference invite. As for where they are located, and the population size? They even have a stadium that is already FBS size capacity, They are also building an on campus stadium that could be expanded to 22,500. That is really big enough to be FBS level.

As for Central Oklahoma? I-45 route from Edmond to Tulsa to Springfield. You could get an I-45 rivalry tournament going for those three, Wichita State and Orel Roberts. Maybe have a Missouri Southern and Northeast Oklahoma State in the preseason tournament for basketball? You could draw a lot of fans and interests.

You have been corrected on this many times, West Texas A&M stadium is not going to be that big.

Quote:A concourse will provide full circulation for patrons around the stadium, and concession/restroom buildings will be distributed for efficiency of access. A new building will provide locker rooms for the home team, visiting team and officials. The 8,500 stadium seats will be constructed in long arcs along the west and east sides with an estimated total capacity of 12,000 with overflow berm seating and standing room only space at the concourse level. The stadium will offer opportunities for future expansion of up to 14,000 permanent seats. A new video scoreboard structure is planned for the north end zone and a ribbon board system along the front of the east and west upper decks.

http://wtamu.edu/news/university-to-brea...adium.aspx

The rest is delusional.

1. In defense of DavidSt, the grammar supports him. 12,000 total capacity, plus "expansion of up to 14,000 permanent seats" is 26,000.

2. On the other hand, looking at the pictures I don't see where you put those seats. Perhaps the grammar is wrong, and it should read "expansion up to 14,000".

3. On the other other hand (the gripping hand), $40M seems like a helluvalot for a Division II stadium. Sure, maybe they have their eye on Division I, but $40M seems like a lot for a 12-14,000 FCS stadium. But maybe that's jsut what it costs in Texas--they spend that much on high school stadiums, so....


One local paper said at the time that the plan goal for the future for an on campus stadium to be up over 22,000. 22,500 to be exact. The new stadium would seat 8500. Adding 14,000 more seats would make it 22,500 seats which what the local paper said. The cost seems to be way too much to build only an 8,500 seat stadium or a 14,000 seat stadium. So, if the local paper in Canyon is correct? The expansion plans would be 22,500 total, and with standing room only could bring it up to over 26,000.

West Texas A&M Stadium Plans For 2016

The link above showed the original plans for the stadium design. It looks much bigger than what is being shown on the school's website.
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Nowhere in the article does it mention seating.
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The new stadium CAN be configured for UP TO 14K permanent seats.
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RE: UTRGV's Football Plans On Hold, FOIA
(08-17-2018 04:45 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Nowhere in the article does it mention seating.

But the picture in link looked like a 25k sized stadium. Davis St. is usually pretty good on this stuff...I believe him. They obviously scaled back their plans.
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RE: UTRGV's Football Plans On Hold, FOIA
(08-17-2018 04:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  One local paper said at the time that the plan goal for the future for an on campus stadium to be up over 22,000. 22,500 to be exact. The new stadium would seat 8500. Adding 14,000 more seats would make it 22,500 seats which what the local paper said. The cost seems to be way too much to build only an 8,500 seat stadium or a 14,000 seat stadium. So, if the local paper in Canyon is correct? The expansion plans would be 22,500 total, and with standing room only could bring it up to over 26,000.

West Texas A&M Stadium Plans For 2016

The link above showed the original plans for the stadium design. It looks much bigger than what is being shown on the school's website.

Instead of relying on a 2016 article, try researching for updated information such as the article I linked from 2018 at the school's website. The plans changed a lot in 2 years. West Texas A&M has no need of a 20,000 seat stadium. Their average attendance has exceeded 10,000 (barely) only twice in the last 8 seasons - 2010 and 2012. The last 4 seasons have averaged much less than 8,000.
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