Freedom of Information Act Got The Feasibility Study For Football


Looks like they have several delays right now about making a decision on adding football. This could be one of the reasons why the WAC have delayed in inviting Tarleton State. The only chance for UTRGV to go FBS is that the WAC restarts sponsoring FBS football.

If UTRGV restarts their football program? I could see an all sports invite to Lamar and Sam Houston State. You have 4 schools there. Dixie State is upgrading their stadium to 15,000, but they could also get more donations to expand it even more.

As it is, football is tabled for now until they get other things are put in place.

The only way the WAC could start FBS football is present FBS football schools to join the WAC which is not happening. The odds would be better for the WAC to start FCS football than FBS.

(08-08-2018 08:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If UTRGV restarts their football program?

Look Baghdad Bob, UTRGV has never had football. It's predecessor UT-Pan American didn't have football, it's predecessor Pan American didn't have football. You want to find some history of football you have to go all the way back to Edinburgh Junior College and they last played in 1950. Anyone who played football for an institution of higher education in Edinburgh is at least 68 years old.

Let's not try to treat that as "restarting".

(08-08-2018 09:03 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 08:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If UTRGV restarts their football program?

Look Baghdad Bob, UTRGV has never had football. It's predecessor UT-Pan American didn't have football, it's predecessor Pan American didn't have football. You want to find some history of football you have to go all the way back to Edinburgh Junior College and they last played in 1950. Anyone who played football for an institution of higher education in Edinburgh is at least 68 years old.

Let's not try to treat that as "restarting".

Lyon College was pronounced as restarting their football program when the last time they played football was when they were known as Arkansas College. Many news articles mentioned for schools starting up football when they mentioned college football is coming back to the school when they were named differently than they are now. It still be called restarting a football program back in the area.

(08-08-2018 09:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 09:03 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 08:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If UTRGV restarts their football program?

Look Baghdad Bob, UTRGV has never had football. It's predecessor UT-Pan American didn't have football, it's predecessor Pan American didn't have football. You want to find some history of football you have to go all the way back to Edinburgh Junior College and they last played in 1950. Anyone who played football for an institution of higher education in Edinburgh is at least 68 years old.

Let's not try to treat that as "restarting".

Lyon College was pronounced as restarting their football program when the last time they played football was when they were known as Arkansas College. Many news articles mentioned for schools starting up football when they mentioned college football is coming back to the school when they were named differently than they are now. It still be called restarting a football program back in the area.

Quit trying to compare one school to another, they are not cookie cutters. The fact is UTRGV has not used the term "restart" and you need to follow their example and use the terminology they use.

And you turned this into a D2 call-up in the first post with major factual errors. Dixie State stadium is 10,000 seats and they lost their biggest contributor who also had naming rights. Pictured is the stadium with two of three phases complete, phase three is a new pressbox.

So indeed UTRGV wants to start FBS, but they just need an FBS capable league. Been saying that for quite some time. FCS isn’t wanted.

The object can only be the WAC, which has the right to invite schools to FBS.

This would be their eventual alignment

WAC East
Sam Houston St
Lamar
A mystery Southland school
UTRGV
Wichita St (FB only)
Mo St (FB only)
UMKC (no FB)
ORU (no FB)

WAC West
NMSU
GCU (no fb)
Cal Poly
Cal Baptist (no fb)
UC Davis
Sac St

Divisions wouldn’t be necessary for fb, but for other sports.

An FBS league needs eight full time FBS members. The WAC may still be recruiting another Southland member, so that could be the delay. Incarnate Word is interested in FBS, according to a San Antonio paper.

Tarleton St can not go FBS until it is at least DI. Same with Dixie St. The Southland and Big Sky will both have to backfill with DII schools, so Tarleton and Dixie will still move up.

(08-08-2018 12:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  So indeed UTRGV wants to start FBS, but they just need an FBS capable league. Been saying that for quite some time. FCS isn’t wanted.

The object can only be the WAC, which has the right to invite schools to FBS.

This would be their eventual alignment

WAC East
Sam Houston St
Lamar
A mystery Southland school
UTRGV
Wichita St (FB only)
Mo St (FB only)
UMKC (no FB)
ORU (no FB)

WAC West
NMSU
GCU (no fb)
Cal Poly
Cal Baptist (no fb)
UC Davis
Sac St

Divisions wouldn’t be necessary for fb, but for other sports.

An FBS league needs eight full time FBS members. The WAC may still be recruiting another Southland member, so that could be the delay. Incarnate Word is interested in FBS, according to a San Antonio paper.

Tarleton St can not go FBS until it is at least DI. Same with Dixie St. The Southland and Big Sky will both have to backfill with DII schools, so Tarleton and Dixie will still move up.

Quoted for posterity.

UTRGV also needs a little thing called money.

The study provided a timeline for UTRGV to begin playing football as early as 2021-22, though the proposed process is well behind schedule.

If UTRGV were to pursue a football program at any level, issues of funding and facilities would be at the forefront, according to the report. Projected yearly expenses ranged from $377,474 during the announcement year of an FCS program to $10,971,529 for the first year of FBS play.

So this could take a while, if it does happen. In the meantime, the WAC is still not a football conference.

(08-08-2018 01:40 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  The study provided a timeline for UTRGV to begin playing football as early as 2021-22, though the proposed process is well behind schedule.

If UTRGV were to pursue a football program at any level, issues of funding and facilities would be at the forefront, according to the report. Projected yearly expenses ranged from $377,474 during the announcement year of an FCS program to $10,971,529 for the first year of FBS play.

So this could take a while, if it does happen. In the meantime, the WAC is still not a football conference.

The whole option is dependent upon qualifying for the new CFP contract. One doesn’t want to be early because expenses really add up, but too late is a terrible possibility, possibly terminal. The eight core FBS and FBS wannabe schools have to be deeply committed, namely financially.

A WAC resurrecting in 2014 or 2017 didn’t have financial backing.

For UTRGV, starting FBS will be easier than FCS. Just like UTSA and FIU, the FCS is a non-starter and FBS can be financed mainly on the backs of student fees. With more than 30k students, the increased fees aren’t that significant compared to a ~15k school.

(08-08-2018 02:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 01:40 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  The study provided a timeline for UTRGV to begin playing football as early as 2021-22, though the proposed process is well behind schedule.

If UTRGV were to pursue a football program at any level, issues of funding and facilities would be at the forefront, according to the report. Projected yearly expenses ranged from $377,474 during the announcement year of an FCS program to $10,971,529 for the first year of FBS play.

So this could take a while, if it does happen. In the meantime, the WAC is still not a football conference.

The whole option is dependent upon qualifying for the new CFP contract. One doesn’t want to be early because expenses really add up, but too late is a terrible possibility, possibly terminal. The eight core FBS and FBS wannabe schools have to be deeply committed, namely financially.

A WAC resurrecting in 2014 or 2017 didn’t have financial backing.

For UTRGV, starting FBS will be easier than FCS. Just like UTSA and FIU, the FCS is a non-starter and FBS can be financed mainly on the backs of student fees. With more than 30k students, the increased fees aren’t that significant compared to a ~15k school.

Assuming everything you assert is true.

We know based on past timelines that the next CFP contract will likely be signed between July 1, 2022 and July 1, 2024 with the historic sweet spot being July 1, 2023

Let's assume the latter date.

That means anyone who desires a chance to be at the table probably needs to compete as an FBS conference the prior year the 2024 season. That is must be an FBS league in 2023.

That means the new league must do transition year 2 in 2022 and transition year 1 in 2021. That means getting the paperwork in early in 2021.

For a school that desires to add football that means they have to be playing FCS football in 2020.

If you are talking about creating this mythic new league in time to gain a seat at the table, you better have eight schools playing FCS football in 2020 or there is no chance of it happening and if the contract renews early, on the same timeline as the first CFP contract you have to do everything I outlined one year earlier.

(08-08-2018 02:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 02:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 01:40 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  The study provided a timeline for UTRGV to begin playing football as early as 2021-22, though the proposed process is well behind schedule.

If UTRGV were to pursue a football program at any level, issues of funding and facilities would be at the forefront, according to the report. Projected yearly expenses ranged from $377,474 during the announcement year of an FCS program to $10,971,529 for the first year of FBS play.

So this could take a while, if it does happen. In the meantime, the WAC is still not a football conference.

The whole option is dependent upon qualifying for the new CFP contract. One doesn’t want to be early because expenses really add up, but too late is a terrible possibility, possibly terminal. The eight core FBS and FBS wannabe schools have to be deeply committed, namely financially.

A WAC resurrecting in 2014 or 2017 didn’t have financial backing.

For UTRGV, starting FBS will be easier than FCS. Just like UTSA and FIU, the FCS is a non-starter and FBS can be financed mainly on the backs of student fees. With more than 30k students, the increased fees aren’t that significant compared to a ~15k school.

Assuming everything you assert is true.

We know based on past timelines that the next CFP contract will likely be signed between July 1, 2022 and July 1, 2024 with the historic sweet spot being July 1, 2023

Let's assume the latter date.

That means anyone who desires a chance to be at the table probably needs to compete as an FBS conference the prior year the 2024 season. That is must be an FBS league in 2023.

That means the new league must do transition year 2 in 2022 and transition year 1 in 2021. That means getting the paperwork in early in 2021.

For a school that desires to add football that means they have to be playing FCS football in 2020.

If you are talking about creating this mythic new league in time to gain a seat at the table, you better have eight schools playing FCS football in 2020 or there is no chance of it happening and if the contract renews early, on the same timeline as the first CFP contract you have to do everything I outlined one year earlier.

This all hinges on the next couple weeks. UTRGV will need to have a fb team in 2020 or before, even if they only play JCs and JVs. UTSA and USA fast tracked their programs. Confident those in charge know the CFP timeline with much more certainty.

(08-08-2018 05:18 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 02:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 02:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 01:40 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  The study provided a timeline for UTRGV to begin playing football as early as 2021-22, though the proposed process is well behind schedule.

If UTRGV were to pursue a football program at any level, issues of funding and facilities would be at the forefront, according to the report. Projected yearly expenses ranged from $377,474 during the announcement year of an FCS program to $10,971,529 for the first year of FBS play.

So this could take a while, if it does happen. In the meantime, the WAC is still not a football conference.

The whole option is dependent upon qualifying for the new CFP contract. One doesn’t want to be early because expenses really add up, but too late is a terrible possibility, possibly terminal. The eight core FBS and FBS wannabe schools have to be deeply committed, namely financially.

A WAC resurrecting in 2014 or 2017 didn’t have financial backing.

For UTRGV, starting FBS will be easier than FCS. Just like UTSA and FIU, the FCS is a non-starter and FBS can be financed mainly on the backs of student fees. With more than 30k students, the increased fees aren’t that significant compared to a ~15k school.

Assuming everything you assert is true.

We know based on past timelines that the next CFP contract will likely be signed between July 1, 2022 and July 1, 2024 with the historic sweet spot being July 1, 2023

Let's assume the latter date.

That means anyone who desires a chance to be at the table probably needs to compete as an FBS conference the prior year the 2024 season. That is must be an FBS league in 2023.

That means the new league must do transition year 2 in 2022 and transition year 1 in 2021. That means getting the paperwork in early in 2021.

For a school that desires to add football that means they have to be playing FCS football in 2020.

If you are talking about creating this mythic new league in time to gain a seat at the table, you better have eight schools playing FCS football in 2020 or there is no chance of it happening and if the contract renews early, on the same timeline as the first CFP contract you have to do everything I outlined one year earlier.

This all hinges on the next couple weeks. UTRGV will need to have a fb team in 2020 or before, even if they only play JCs and JVs. UTSA and USA fast tracked their programs. Confident those in charge know the CFP timeline with much more certainty.

UTSA also started as a FCS Independent.

UTSA never competed for a Southland fb championship. They may have played some Southland schools, but never intended FCS as a destination. FCS was never ever a destination target for UNC-Charlotte, FIU, USA, USF and was merely a convenient short stop at FAU, UCF, ODU, Ga State, and other large public metro schools.

Fully expect the eventual WAC FCS will align fb with the Summit (Great Northern) for one last year of FCS, and then all those schools will be under the WAC banner for the FBS transition, and then divide among the Summit or WAC.

If I'm UTRGV and I'm contemplating football my first call is to the Southland to see if they have any interest. If they won't bite then I think you chase FBS where NMSU, UMass, and Liberty are looking for help filling schedules.

(08-08-2018 06:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UTSA never competed for a Southland fb championship. They may have played some Southland schools, but never intended FCS as a destination. FCS was never ever a destination target for UNC-Charlotte, FIU, USA, USF and was merely a convenient short stop at FAU, UCF, ODU, Ga State, and other large public metro schools.

Fully expect the eventual WAC FCS will align fb with the Summit (Great Northern) for one last year of FCS, and then all those schools will be under the WAC banner for the FBS transition, and then divide among the Summit or WAC.

And where does the ASUN come into the exploiting-the-supposed-WAC-FBS-loophole mix?

(08-08-2018 06:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 06:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UTSA never competed for a Southland fb championship. They may have played some Southland schools, but never intended FCS as a destination. FCS was never ever a destination target for UNC-Charlotte, FIU, USA, USF and was merely a convenient short stop at FAU, UCF, ODU, Ga State, and other large public metro schools.

Fully expect the eventual WAC FCS will align fb with the Summit (Great Northern) for one last year of FCS, and then all those schools will be under the WAC banner for the FBS transition, and then divide among the Summit or WAC.

And where does the ASUN come into the exploiting-the-supposed-WAC-FBS-loophole mix?

When FBS transitions start, the prospective ASun fb schools would start playing against the WAC/Summit fb schools, to ease all the costs of all their transitions. The WAC might get a “bonus” payment from each of them.

At least Stony Brook, Albany, Delaware, and JMU from the CAA, Jacksonville St from the OVC, Kennesaw St from the ASun and maybe other eastern seaboard teams like Chattanooga will join the WAC as a fb affiliates for two years, and then become the new ASUN with the Florida contingent. North Alabama, UNF, and FGCU can later start FBS when the A-Sun officiallly gains FBS status. Those moves would come later so the CAA can’t punish their elopers for years on end. After all have transitioned, Liberty and maybe UMass have a regional FBS conference.

(08-08-2018 08:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 06:57 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 06:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UTSA never competed for a Southland fb championship. They may have played some Southland schools, but never intended FCS as a destination. FCS was never ever a destination target for UNC-Charlotte, FIU, USA, USF and was merely a convenient short stop at FAU, UCF, ODU, Ga State, and other large public metro schools.

Fully expect the eventual WAC FCS will align fb with the Summit (Great Northern) for one last year of FCS, and then all those schools will be under the WAC banner for the FBS transition, and then divide among the Summit or WAC.

And where does the ASUN come into the exploiting-the-supposed-WAC-FBS-loophole mix?

When FBS transitions start, the prospective ASun fb schools would start playing against the WAC/Summit fb schools, to ease all the costs of all their transitions. The WAC might get a “bonus” payment from each of them.

At least Stony Brook, Albany, Delaware, and JMU from the CAA, Jacksonville St from the OVC, Kennesaw St from the ASun and maybe other eastern seaboard teams like Chattanooga will join the WAC as a fb affiliates for two years, and then become the new ASUN with the Florida contingent. North Alabama, UNF, and FGCU can later start FBS when the A-Sun officiallly gains FBS status. Those moves would come later so the CAA can’t punish their elopers for years on end. After all have transitioned, Liberty has a regional FBS conference.

Also quoted for posterity.

ODU played in FCS before they dropped their football program. So, they really do not count towards being a new comer in college football like Charlotte,

The article goes into the timing of going FBS.

https://www.themonitor.com/sports/utrgv_...2cff8.html


2019 Prep year
2020 Practice year
2021 FCS YEAr
2022 FBS 1st transition year

For the WAC to need to get to the numbers, you need to invite FBS football only schools that are Independents.

UMass.
Army
Liberty

Those three are without a conference that could get the WAC to 4. Could Idaho be given a spot to stop them from completely downgrading tham?

That gives you this.

Idaho
New Mexico State
UMass.
Army
Liberty

Now, you can give Sam Houston State and Lamar an invite now for them to be fully FBS by 2021. That gets you up to 7. That would be 2019/20 season. For 2020-21 season, you could give football only invites to Jacksonville State and James Madison. 2021-2022 school year, you could add Stony Brook and Youngstown State. 2022-2023 would be UTRGV FBS football. That would bring them up to 12.

West:
Idaho
New Mexico State
UTRGV
Lamar
Sam Houston State
Jacksonville State

East:
UMass.
Liberty
Army
Youngstown State
James Madison
Stony Brook

If any of these schools get picked up by another conference? WAC could backfilled with schools like Delaware, Wichita State football only, SFA, McNeese State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Illinois State, North Alabama or Eastern Kentucky. If it is Northern Iowa, McNeese State, SFA, Illinois State or Missouri State? You could move Jacksonville State to the east.

WAC could still add schools like Central Washington, Azusa Pacific, West Texas A&M, Dixie State and Colorado Mesa in the future.