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RE: Princeton Review Best 384 colleges
(08-16-2018 09:26 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 12:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(08-10-2018 10:20 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I assume you mean ULL. There is no Louisiana.

Don't start a name issue. The official name is University of Louisiana at Lafayette. We go by LOUISIANA athletically. It is now used by all media.

I live in Louisiana, and everyone I encounter refers to your school as "ULL", academically and athletically. 07-coffee3

That's because LSU wants to dominate everyone, Tulane feels superior to everyone and the rest have an inferiority complex.

I see no reason why they can't choose what to be called. There's Buffalo, Charlotte, Cal (one of many UC schools), Texas (University of Texas at Austin-we never liked that change adding the "at Austin"), Wisconsin (U of W-Madison) and many others that don't go by their official name.

There's a need for disambiguation because (1) the University of Louisiana at Lafayette is not really the flagship of the University of Louisiana system -- there is no flagship -- and (2) the University of Louisiana at Monroe is too similarly named. "Louisiana" is insufficient to distinguish them, despite Lafayette's ambitions. Hence Louisiana-Lafayette and Louisiana-Monroe or shorter variants (UL Lafayette/UL Monroe, ULL/ULM).

UL Monroe has branded itself as ULM. UL Lafayette has branded itself as Louisiana. Similar to Nevada (Reno) and UNLV. The Sun Belt Conference and its members, including the ULM President, have agreed to that. If you cannot accept that, it is your problem. We are moving ahead as LOUISIANA and our branding has been accepted nationally by every media outlet. Also, LSU has been declared the only Flagship university in Louisiana, although it sits over the LSU System only. It has no control over the UL System. Louisiana just exceed $100M in R&D and will achieve Carnegie R1 status by 2020. It will be the only R 1 university in the UL System and will be the de facto flagship of the UL System. ULM and LA Tech are Carnegie R 3 and UL's R&D is double all UL System universities combined. Louisiana is approaching 20,000 students and is larger than ULM and LA Tech combined. The reason schools in Louisiana (only) still call us ULL is jealousy. We have surpassed them academically and they can't stand to see our use of Louisiana, which, by the way, is approved by the UL System as it does not violate the name law. We have a right to brand our university as we see choose just as other universities have done. Your opposition is petty and will not change our branding initiative.
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RE: Princeton Review Best 384 colleges
(08-17-2018 09:04 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 09:26 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 12:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 10:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-10-2018 10:30 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Don't start a name issue. The official name is University of Louisiana at Lafayette. We go by LOUISIANA athletically. It is now used by all media.

I live in Louisiana, and everyone I encounter refers to your school as "ULL", academically and athletically. 07-coffee3

That's because LSU wants to dominate everyone, Tulane feels superior to everyone and the rest have an inferiority complex.

I see no reason why they can't choose what to be called. There's Buffalo, Charlotte, Cal (one of many UC schools), Texas (University of Texas at Austin-we never liked that change adding the "at Austin"), Wisconsin (U of W-Madison) and many others that don't go by their official name.

There's a need for disambiguation because (1) the University of Louisiana at Lafayette is not really the flagship of the University of Louisiana system -- there is no flagship -- and (2) the University of Louisiana at Monroe is too similarly named. "Louisiana" is insufficient to distinguish them, despite Lafayette's ambitions. Hence Louisiana-Lafayette and Louisiana-Monroe or shorter variants (UL Lafayette/UL Monroe, ULL/ULM).

UL Monroe has branded itself as ULM. UL Lafayette has branded itself as Louisiana. Similar to Nevada (Reno) and UNLV. The Sun Belt Conference and its members, including the ULM President, have agreed to that. If you cannot accept that, it is your problem. We are moving ahead as LOUISIANA and our branding has been accepted nationally by every media outlet. Also, LSU has been declared the only Flagship university in Louisiana, although it sits over the LSU System only. It has no control over the UL System. Louisiana just exceed $100M in R&D and will achieve Carnegie R1 status by 2020. It will be the only R 1 university in the UL System and will be the de facto flagship of the UL System. ULM and LA Tech are Carnegie R 3 and UL's R&D is double all UL System universities combined. Louisiana is approaching 20,000 students and is larger than ULM and LA Tech combined. The reason schools in Louisiana (only) still call us ULL is jealousy. We have surpassed them academically and they can't stand to see our use of Louisiana, which, by the way, is approved by the UL System as it does not violate the name law. We have a right to brand our university as we see choose just as other universities have done. Your opposition is petty and will not change our branding initiative.

I'm not opposed; I don't even care. I was just explaining why there is still currently a need to include "Lafayette" in the name to colloquially disambiguate the schools. Maybe the branding will catch on at some point.
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RE: Princeton Review Best 384 colleges
(08-17-2018 09:04 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 09:26 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 12:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 10:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-10-2018 10:30 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Don't start a name issue. The official name is University of Louisiana at Lafayette. We go by LOUISIANA athletically. It is now used by all media.

I live in Louisiana, and everyone I encounter refers to your school as "ULL", academically and athletically. 07-coffee3

That's because LSU wants to dominate everyone, Tulane feels superior to everyone and the rest have an inferiority complex.

I see no reason why they can't choose what to be called. There's Buffalo, Charlotte, Cal (one of many UC schools), Texas (University of Texas at Austin-we never liked that change adding the "at Austin"), Wisconsin (U of W-Madison) and many others that don't go by their official name.

There's a need for disambiguation because (1) the University of Louisiana at Lafayette is not really the flagship of the University of Louisiana system -- there is no flagship -- and (2) the University of Louisiana at Monroe is too similarly named. "Louisiana" is insufficient to distinguish them, despite Lafayette's ambitions. Hence Louisiana-Lafayette and Louisiana-Monroe or shorter variants (UL Lafayette/UL Monroe, ULL/ULM).

UL Monroe has branded itself as ULM. UL Lafayette has branded itself as Louisiana. Similar to Nevada (Reno) and UNLV. The Sun Belt Conference and its members, including the ULM President, have agreed to that. If you cannot accept that, it is your problem. We are moving ahead as LOUISIANA and our branding has been accepted nationally by every media outlet. Also, LSU has been declared the only Flagship university in Louisiana, although it sits over the LSU System only. It has no control over the UL System. Louisiana just exceed $100M in R&D and will achieve Carnegie R1 status by 2020. It will be the only R 1 university in the UL System and will be the de facto flagship of the UL System. ULM and LA Tech are Carnegie R 3 and UL's R&D is double all UL System universities combined. Louisiana is approaching 20,000 students and is larger than ULM and LA Tech combined. The reason schools in Louisiana (only) still call us ULL is jealousy. We have surpassed them academically and they can't stand to see our use of Louisiana, which, by the way, is approved by the UL System as it does not violate the name law. We have a right to brand our university as we see choose just as other universities have done. Your opposition is petty and will not change our branding initiative.

Whenever I see that in a defensive post I know it's ok to chuckle and no one will take the post seriously.
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RE: Princeton Review Best 384 colleges
(08-08-2018 08:12 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
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(08-08-2018 01:10 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  https://www.princetonreview.com/college-...&sort=size

Among the 20 largest on the list, 19 play football:

Big 10 - Ohio St, Penn St, Mich St, Rutgers, Minn, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin
Big 12 - Texas
Pac 12 - Arizona St, Arizona, Washington
SEC - A&M, Florida, Alabama
ACC - Florida St
American - UCF, Houston, USF
MWC -
MAC -
CUSA -
SunBelt -

Notable P6 NOT included among Best 384: Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Miss St, Memphis, East Carolina

When you say P6 you mean the ACC, B1G, SEC, Pac, XII and Big East right? I don't think ECU and Memphis are part of that group.

There is no P6. If the P6 existed, the AAC would have a seat at the big boy table collecting $35+ million from TV networks.

CougarRed is trying to make his school look better hoping for a P5 invite. The fact that he omits Michigan, Cal, Duke, North Carolina and singles out others leads me to believe he is trolling.

But there is a P6, just one of those conferences doesn't play FB. Villanova winning 2 NC's and scheduling agreements with the B1G and BXII makes them a power conference. Much to the AAC's chagrin. 07-coffee3
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(08-15-2018 01:24 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Top 20 in Texas

USNWR just came out.

Houston (171) ranked ahead of Texas Tech (187).
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(09-10-2018 02:26 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:24 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Top 20 in Texas

USNWR just came out.

Houston (171) ranked ahead of Texas Tech (187).

Some really interesting moves in this year's rankings that seem to be driven by the changes in the methodology for the rankings where there's now a "social mobility" factor that gives credit to schools based on its graduation rate for Pell Grant recipients (essentially a proxy for low income students). This actually had a benefit to a fair number of public universities, particularly Florida (35, tied with Georgia Tech and ahead of Boston College), Georgia (46, tied with Illinois and Pepperdine and ahead of Texas and Wisconsin) and Florida State (70, tied with Pitt, UMass and Fordham and ahead of Minnesota and Virginia Tech) that all shot up in the rankings. That doesn't shock me since the states of Florida and Georgia have very strong merit scholarship programs compared to other states and that helps them keep students in-state.

I actually think the Texas public universities are underranked in the US News rankings relative to how difficult they are to get into these days: For instance, the admissions stats reflect that UT-Austin (49) really shouldn't be behind Florida and Georgia and Texas A&M (66) ought to be higher than where it's ranked, as well. For whatever reason, the overall US News undergrad rankings historically haven't really rewarded UT (and for that matter, Illinois, Wisconsin and Washington that have strong academic departments across-the-board in every area) in relation to their admissions stats and high rankings in key programs (where the US News will simultaneously rank all of those schools that I've listed in the top tier for both engineering and business programs). There are a number of public universities clustered with the same, similar or even better rankings as those aforementioned schools even though the academic world and admissions stats say that there's a larger separation there.

For better or worse, though, the US News rankings are important because the consumers of the college "product" (the students and parents) deem them to be important. They were important when I was applying to college over 20 years ago and they've honestly grown to be much more important now with how expensive college costs have become. People (justifiably so) want to know that what they're paying for is worth the cost.
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(09-10-2018 09:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Some really interesting moves in this year's rankings that seem to be driven by the changes in the methodology for the rankings where there's now a "social mobility" factor that gives credit to schools based on its graduation rate for Pell Grant recipients (essentially a proxy for low income students).

More info on the changes to the methodology:

https://www.insidehighered.com/admission...ity-has-it

New this year in the outcomes section are two social mobility factors that together make up 5 percent of the total ranking. One looks at the graduation rates of Pell Grant recipients, and the other compares Pell-recipient graduation rates to those of all students.

The magazine killed one part of its methodology -- the acceptance rate -- that has long been seen as rewarding colleges for the number of applicants they reject. But this was worth only 1.25 percent of the formula. U.S. News reduced the weight on, but kept in, standardized test scores at 7.75 percent, down from 8.125 percent.

U.S. News also decreased modestly (from 22.5 to 20 percent) "expert opinion," which is based on surveys of college administrators and high school counselors.
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(09-10-2018 02:26 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:24 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Top 20 in Texas

USNWR just came out.

Houston (171) ranked ahead of Texas Tech (187).

I'll take the money I make over a magazine.
https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-...ols?page=4
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https://www.texastribune.org/2018/09/10/...-rankings/

Quote:This year, U.S. News rejiggered the formula it uses to rank schools, dropping schools' acceptance rate as a factor and giving a heavier weight to how effectively institutions help their low-income students. The methodology now considers the graduation rates of students who receive federal Pell grants and how those rates differ from their higher-income peers.

The new formula will help schools like UH.
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(08-10-2018 10:30 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(08-10-2018 10:20 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(08-10-2018 10:12 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 01:10 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  https://www.princetonreview.com/college-...&sort=size

Among the 20 largest on the list, 19 play football:

Big 10 - Ohio St, Penn St, Mich St, Rutgers, Minn, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin
Big 12 - Texas
Pac 12 - Arizona St, Arizona, Washington
SEC - A&M, Florida, Alabama
ACC - Florida St
American - UCF, Houston, USF
MWC -
MAC -
CUSA -
SunBelt -

Notable P6 NOT included among Best 384: Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Miss St, Memphis, East Carolina

LOUISIANA is included in the Best 384. Current enrollment approximately 20,000 anticipated for fall semester 2018

I assume you mean ULL. There is no Louisiana.

Don't start a name issue. The official name is University of Louisiana at Lafayette. We go by LOUISIANA athletically. It is now used by all media.

Um, this is a discussion about academics, so why did you use your athletics name?

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(09-10-2018 01:41 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(09-10-2018 02:26 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:24 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Top 20 in Texas

USNWR just came out.

Houston (171) ranked ahead of Texas Tech (187).

I'll take the money I make over a magazine.
https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-...ols?page=4

Ummm.

UH ranks ahead of Texas Tech in Return on Investment.

https://www.payscale.com/college-roi
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(09-10-2018 02:27 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(09-10-2018 01:41 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(09-10-2018 02:26 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:24 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Top 20 in Texas

USNWR just came out.

Houston (171) ranked ahead of Texas Tech (187).

I'll take the money I make over a magazine.
https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-...ols?page=4

Ummm.

UH ranks ahead of Texas Tech in Return on Investment.

https://www.payscale.com/college-roi

Well shucks, UH is just better than Tech in every conceivable measure. 04-cheers

I know we are a poor school out in west Texas but go easy on the Red Raiders Sat in Lubbock.01-ncaabbs
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(08-16-2018 09:26 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 12:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-16-2018 10:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-10-2018 10:30 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(08-10-2018 10:20 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I assume you mean ULL. There is no Louisiana.

Don't start a name issue. The official name is University of Louisiana at Lafayette. We go by LOUISIANA athletically. It is now used by all media.

I live in Louisiana, and everyone I encounter refers to your school as "ULL", academically and athletically. 07-coffee3

That's because LSU wants to dominate everyone, Tulane feels superior to everyone and the rest have an inferiority complex.

I see no reason why they can't choose what to be called. There's Buffalo, Charlotte, Cal (one of many UC schools), Texas (University of Texas at Austin-we never liked that change adding the "at Austin"), Wisconsin (U of W-Madison) and many others that don't go by their official name.

There's a need for disambiguation because (1) the University of Louisiana at Lafayette is not really the flagship of the University of Louisiana system -- there is no flagship -- and (2) the University of Louisiana at Monroe is too similarly named. "Louisiana" is insufficient to distinguish them, despite Lafayette's ambitions. Hence Louisiana-Lafayette and Louisiana-Monroe or shorter variants (UL Lafayette/UL Monroe, ULL/ULM).

Georgia St., Texas ST. and Missouri St. are not ag flagships like Kansas St., Iowa St. and Mississippi St. Nor are they HBCUs like Kentucky St., Tennessee St., Alabama St., Virginia St. and South Carolina St. But those are the names they chose.

Louisiana and ULM seem a lot more distinct than UC-Riverside, UC-Irvine, UC-Santa Cruz and UC-Santa Barbara or UTA, UTSA and UTEP.
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(09-10-2018 09:36 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-10-2018 02:26 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(08-15-2018 01:24 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  Top 20 in Texas

USNWR just came out.

Houston (171) ranked ahead of Texas Tech (187).

Some really interesting moves in this year's rankings that seem to be driven by the changes in the methodology for the rankings where there's now a "social mobility" factor that gives credit to schools based on its graduation rate for Pell Grant recipients (essentially a proxy for low income students). This actually had a benefit to a fair number of public universities, particularly Florida (35, tied with Georgia Tech and ahead of Boston College), Georgia (46, tied with Illinois and Pepperdine and ahead of Texas and Wisconsin) and Florida State (70, tied with Pitt, UMass and Fordham and ahead of Minnesota and Virginia Tech) that all shot up in the rankings. That doesn't shock me since the states of Florida and Georgia have very strong merit scholarship programs compared to other states and that helps them keep students in-state.

I actually think the Texas public universities are underranked in the US News rankings relative to how difficult they are to get into these days: For instance, the admissions stats reflect that UT-Austin (49) really shouldn't be behind Florida and Georgia and Texas A&M (66) ought to be higher than where it's ranked, as well. For whatever reason, the overall US News undergrad rankings historically haven't really rewarded UT (and for that matter, Illinois, Wisconsin and Washington that have strong academic departments across-the-board in every area) in relation to their admissions stats and high rankings in key programs (where the US News will simultaneously rank all of those schools that I've listed in the top tier for both engineering and business programs). There are a number of public universities clustered with the same, similar or even better rankings as those aforementioned schools even though the academic world and admissions stats say that there's a larger separation there.

For better or worse, though, the US News rankings are important because the consumers of the college "product" (the students and parents) deem them to be important. They were important when I was applying to college over 20 years ago and they've honestly grown to be much more important now with how expensive college costs have become. People (justifiably so) want to know that what they're paying for is worth the cost.

One factor the large state universities don't do well on is the % of alumni contributing. I don't know how big a factor that is, but that is one that favors the private schools and smaller publics (like a William and Mary vs. an enormous state university like Texas or the Big 10 schools).
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(08-21-2018 11:46 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 08:12 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 04:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(08-08-2018 01:10 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  https://www.princetonreview.com/college-...&sort=size

Among the 20 largest on the list, 19 play football:

Big 10 - Ohio St, Penn St, Mich St, Rutgers, Minn, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin
Big 12 - Texas
Pac 12 - Arizona St, Arizona, Washington
SEC - A&M, Florida, Alabama
ACC - Florida St
American - UCF, Houston, USF
MWC -
MAC -
CUSA -
SunBelt -

Notable P6 NOT included among Best 384: Texas Tech, Oklahoma St, Miss St, Memphis, East Carolina

When you say P6 you mean the ACC, B1G, SEC, Pac, XII and Big East right? I don't think ECU and Memphis are part of that group.

There is no P6. If the P6 existed, the AAC would have a seat at the big boy table collecting $35+ million from TV networks.

CougarRed is trying to make his school look better hoping for a P5 invite. The fact that he omits Michigan, Cal, Duke, North Carolina and singles out others leads me to believe he is trolling.

But there is a P6, just one of those conferences doesn't play FB. Villanova winning 2 NC's and scheduling agreements with the B1G and BXII makes them a power conference. Much to the AAC's chagrin. 07-coffee3

Tell me oh great sports program of Rutgers, how do they and the big 10 feel about the AAC winning a NC in basketball and football?

Oh wait, none of them like you 03-lmfao

Rutgers, the high school loser who invited all the cool kids to his house party while his parents were out of town. Only for the whole school to laugh at Rutgers while Michigan and Ohio St lock them in the closet and wreck their house having the best keg party in history...
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USNWR Big East Rankings
Georgetown (#22-tie, National)
Villanova (#49-tie, National)
Marquette (#89-tie, National)
DePaul (#119-tie, National)
Seton Hall (#119-tie, National)
St. John's (#152-tie, National)
Butler (#1-tie, Regional Midwest)
Creighton (#1-tie, Regional Midwest)
Providence (#2, Regional North)
Xavier (#8, Regional Midwest)
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CUSA seems easy to break into tiers

National
T16 Rice

T157 UAB
T187 FIU
T194 Charlotte
T215 ODU

230-301 FAU
230-301 LaTech
230-301 Middle Tennessee
230-301 North Texas
230-301 Southern Miss
230-301 UTEP
230-301 UTSA

Regional South
T34 WKU
T42 Marshall
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/...4466ab6c64

I'm sure cougarred will find a discrepancy in this report.
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