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Their social and economic infrastructures need major work before they should be considered. At least a reasonable plan with short- and long-term goals that they can reach.

Regarding athletics for PR universities, NAIA may be the route. Should they get to a point where NCAA D-I is a possibility then a more regionalized conference like the Atlantic Sun would be a good option.
08-13-2018 12:17 PM
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Puerto Rico-Bayamon and Mayaguez are both D2; if they both moved up, it wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibility that an Atlantic Sun/Big South/MEAC takes them on if they kicked in travel subsidies. But that supposes either would even be interested.
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(08-13-2018 12:10 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 05:57 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  All it would take is 218 reps, 51 senators, and the president. Could theoretically happen in 2020

Good

Well even as Republican (I will call myself that again if Trump is out of office in 2020 and we start rolling back the Nationalist movement and restoring traditional conservatives and libertarians positions in the party), I'd vote in favor of those two moves.

Of course by 2020 I may well be joining some new urban based conservative party if the GOP drifts any further into the paleo-Con and Nationalist camp. 04-drinky

Ironically, of the two parties the GOP has taken the biggest pro-statehood stance and explicitly called for it in their party platform.

While it would likely produce more Dem representatives and senators, it would be much more of a purple state than many others assume.
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(08-13-2018 12:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Their social and economic infrastructures need major work before they should be considered. At least a reasonable plan with short- and long-term goals that they can reach.

Regarding athletics for PR universities, NAIA may be the route. Should they get to a point where NCAA D-I is a possibility then a more regionalized conference like the Atlantic Sun would be a good option.

Well then, we should set some standards and bars for them to reach in order to gain statehood. Why keep it a secret? Let them know what they have to do. And when they do it, admit them.
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(08-13-2018 11:17 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 12:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Their social and economic infrastructures need major work before they should be considered. At least a reasonable plan with short- and long-term goals that they can reach.

Regarding athletics for PR universities, NAIA may be the route. Should they get to a point where NCAA D-I is a possibility then a more regionalized conference like the Atlantic Sun would be a good option.

Well then, we should set some standards and bars for them to reach in order to gain statehood. Why keep it a secret? Let them know what they have to do. And when they do it, admit them.

The Constitution doesn't set any criteria for admission other than a new state cannot be created incorporating land of an existing state without that state's consent (see Kentucky, Maine and West Virginia).

The general criteria that has been applied is that territory be inclined to a representative democracy, the population desire admission and have adequate population and resources to function as a state.

The reality has always been political. Before the Civil War you would see a state admitted followed by a subsequent admission to keep the slavery balance. For example Arkansas followed less than a year later by Michigan.

Alaska and Hawaii were admitted 49th and 50th respectively. Alaska was thought to be a safe Democratic state and was admitted by the Democratically controlled 85th Congress with support of President Eisenhower (after concessions about land reserved for military purposes) who felt Alaska was vital to US defense in the Cold War to intercept bombers and monitor missiles. The 86th Congress admitted Hawaii because enough northern Democrats were elected to offset the southern Democrats who felt that Hawaii lacking a white majority would elect people who would support civil rights legislation.

In the end Alaska veered hard Republican and Hawaii hard Democrat.

Puerto Rico won't be admitted until the party in control of Congress believes they are gaining allies in controlling Congress. While being heavily Catholic so aligned with Republicans on many social issues, the military presence is much smaller than in the past so the economy is less tied to how much the Federal government spends on the military than was once the case.

Puerto Rico in 2014 passed New Mexico's record of 62 years as local governing territory without attaining statehood, Hawaii spent 61 years as a territory. Next longest was Arizona at 49 years. Alabama was fastest at just over 2 years.
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(08-12-2018 09:40 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I’m not sure if football (the type we traditionally think of, not soccer, aka futbol) is played on a club level or not in PR, but it would be interesting to see. And the UPR system is a lot like UNC’s in the way it is organized-their land grant campus is located in Mayagüez, just like how NC State is a part of the UNC system. I didn’t see any other public campuses that weren’t a part of UPR, so UPR takes after UNC in that way as well. There are some big private universities in PR also, some of which are ND’s size or greater.

There is a PeeWee league consisting of 4 divisions with age and weight limits.

There is a high school age league consisting of two high schools and four club teams. They have six varsity teams and three junior varsity team.

There is a college age club league with four teams.

And finally, there is a semi-pro league with five teams.
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(08-13-2018 11:17 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 12:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Their social and economic infrastructures need major work before they should be considered. At least a reasonable plan with short- and long-term goals that they can reach.

Regarding athletics for PR universities, NAIA may be the route. Should they get to a point where NCAA D-I is a possibility then a more regionalized conference like the Atlantic Sun would be a good option.

Well then, we should set some standards and bars for them to reach in order to gain statehood. Why keep it a secret? Let them know what they have to do. And when they do it, admit them.

The holdup is not on Congress' end. The holdup is that Puerto Rico can't agree about what they want.

They've had 5 referendums on their status (1967, 1993, 1998, 2012, and 2017). The first three all chose to continue with territorial status. In 2012, 54% voted "no" on remaining a territory, but they couldn't agree on which new status to pick (State or Free Association. Independence was also an option but only 5% picked it). In 2017 the pro-territory political party boycotted the vote, so voter turnout was only 23% (although 97% of the ballots cast chose to become a state).

A Puerto Rican friend of mine summarized it as, "We want America's money, but we don't want America's culture."
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