(08-20-2018 09:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UTA and UALR are leeches. Start FBS football or find a new conference. They shouldn't get a dime of the football money--tv or playoff. The other 10 don't need them. Ark St and Texas St could just as easily be travel partners. In order the entire east would be in favor of dumping them. Ensure ULM's vote by ensuring that they can never be removed so long as they play football and the minimum sports.

The rest of the Sun Belt's football programs are leeches, bleeding large amounts of money from their schools. UTA and UALR are in important markets for the other schools.

Out of 12 Sun Belt schools, only Coastal Carolina pulls more of its revenue from institutional sources (university funds and student fees) than UTA.
UALR receives a higher percentage of revenue from institutional sources than Arkansas State, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Louisiana Lafayette, and Louisiana Monroe.

(08-20-2018 08:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UTA and UALR are leeches. Start FBS football or find a new conference. They shouldn't get a dime of the football money--tv or playoff. The other 10 don't need them. Ark St and Texas St could just as easily be travel partners. In order the entire east would be in favor of dumping them. Ensure ULM's vote by ensuring that they can never be removed so long as they play football and the minimum sports.

Little Rock has been in the SBC for decades, they should be able to stay in the conference as long as possible.

(08-20-2018 08:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UTA and UALR are leeches. Start FBS football or find a new conference. They shouldn't get a dime of the football money--tv or playoff. The other 10 don't need them. Ark St and Texas St could just as easily be travel partners. In order the entire east would be in favor of dumping them. Ensure ULM's vote by ensuring that they can never be removed so long as they play football and the minimum sports.

StAte and Texas State being travel partners is ridiculous. Putting StAre with ULM and ULL with Texas State makes more sense

(08-21-2018 12:53 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UTA and UALR are leeches. Start FBS football or find a new conference. They shouldn't get a dime of the football money--tv or playoff. The other 10 don't need them. Ark St and Texas St could just as easily be travel partners. In order the entire east would be in favor of dumping them. Ensure ULM's vote by ensuring that they can never be removed so long as they play football and the minimum sports.

Little Rock has been in the SBC for decades, they should be able to stay in the conference as long as possible.

I just can't see the votes being there to boot them. No one wants to send Olympic sports to AState and then 300 or more miles to the next game that week.

(08-21-2018 11:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:53 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UTA and UALR are leeches. Start FBS football or find a new conference. They shouldn't get a dime of the football money--tv or playoff. The other 10 don't need them. Ark St and Texas St could just as easily be travel partners. In order the entire east would be in favor of dumping them. Ensure ULM's vote by ensuring that they can never be removed so long as they play football and the minimum sports.

Little Rock has been in the SBC for decades, they should be able to stay in the conference as long as possible.

I just can't see the votes being there to boot them. No one wants to send Olympic sports to AState and then 300 or more miles to the next game that week.

Booting a conference-mate is very, very rare. CUSA did it to UNCC and Saint Louis U back during the CUSA 1.0 to 2.0 transition, via a rule change to go FBS or GTFO. I remember reading rumors that the Sun Belt (was it even the Sun Belt then?) was just about to kick out UT PAn American when UTPA said "You can't fire me I quit."

Otherwise, nobody gets kicked out.

Charlotte and SLU were invited to stay if they wanted. Each declined. That said, neither was expected to stay or really wanted by the conference.

(08-20-2018 04:26 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 01:59 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  What's the worst case?

Um, the worst case for UTA is that the P5 decide to break away from the NCAA, and invite their G5 punching bags along with them. (For all sports)

My thoughts actually. I could see Little Rock and UTA be left behind along with Wichita State, Gonzaga and The Big East be left behind. I do think UTA and Little Rock have to say yes at adding football to stay with their FBS patrons.

(08-21-2018 11:50 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:53 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UTA and UALR are leeches. Start FBS football or find a new conference. They shouldn't get a dime of the football money--tv or playoff. The other 10 don't need them. Ark St and Texas St could just as easily be travel partners. In order the entire east would be in favor of dumping them. Ensure ULM's vote by ensuring that they can never be removed so long as they play football and the minimum sports.

Little Rock has been in the SBC for decades, they should be able to stay in the conference as long as possible.

I just can't see the votes being there to boot them. No one wants to send Olympic sports to AState and then 300 or more miles to the next game that week.

Booting a conference-mate is very, very rare. CUSA did it to UNCC and Saint Louis U back during the CUSA 1.0 to 2.0 transition, via a rule change to go FBS or GTFO. I remember reading rumors that the Sun Belt (was it even the Sun Belt then?) was just about to kick out UT PAn American when UTPA said "You can't fire me I quit."

Otherwise, nobody gets kicked out.

Chicago St chose to resign rather than get kicked out of the then Mid Con. Could happen again with the WAC, as CSU will need a contract renewal, which is rare for a conference member.

(08-21-2018 11:50 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 12:53 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  UTA and UALR are leeches. Start FBS football or find a new conference. They shouldn't get a dime of the football money--tv or playoff. The other 10 don't need them. Ark St and Texas St could just as easily be travel partners. In order the entire east would be in favor of dumping them. Ensure ULM's vote by ensuring that they can never be removed so long as they play football and the minimum sports.

Little Rock has been in the SBC for decades, they should be able to stay in the conference as long as possible.

I just can't see the votes being there to boot them. No one wants to send Olympic sports to AState and then 300 or more miles to the next game that week.

Booting a conference-mate is very, very rare. CUSA did it to UNCC and Saint Louis U back during the CUSA 1.0 to 2.0 transition, via a rule change to go FBS or GTFO. I remember reading rumors that the Sun Belt (was it even the Sun Belt then?) was just about to kick out UT PAn American when UTPA said "You can't fire me I quit."

Otherwise, nobody gets kicked out.

UTPA was told the membership had already taken an informal poll and the votes were there to expel them. They promptly announced their intent to withdraw. UTPA had put together a really good season and got busted by the NCAA. Hired a new coach and he got caught cheating as well. For some baffling reason when they had to give the NCAA their suggested penalty they suggested that the NCAA give them death. The NCAA was like hell no we want you to suffer so lose more scholies. At that point league was fed up.

Sun Belt also adopted minimum standards with a five year time limit to comply that was intended to force Denver out and force New Orleans to quit farting around adding sports back in the wake of Katrina, both left ahead of the deadline.

UT Dallas just added its 14th sport. Maybe its getting ready for Division I. https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort-...eo-gaming/

"On Aug. 20, The University of Texas at Dallas announced the 14th sport to be added to its athletic department: esports, or competitive video gaming.

“UTD is known for being cutting edge, and esports is the perfect fit for the campus,” Athletics Director Bill Pettit said in a presentation...."

Alright, maybe they are aiming for a new Div III conference with MIT and Carnegie Mellon and Cal Tech.

Competitive video gaming.

Millenials (Am I a millennial?)

(08-25-2018 09:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  UT Dallas just added its 14th sport. Maybe its getting ready for Division I. https://communityimpact.com/dallas-fort-...eo-gaming/

"On Aug. 20, The University of Texas at Dallas announced the 14th sport to be added to its athletic department: esports, or competitive video gaming.

“UTD is known for being cutting edge, and esports is the perfect fit for the campus,” Athletics Director Bill Pettit said in a presentation...."

Alright, maybe they are aiming for a new Div III conference with MIT and Carnegie Mellon and Cal Tech.

That fits UTD. For real.

(08-25-2018 09:39 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Competitive video gaming.

Millenials (Am I a millennial?)

If you were born in the period from 1982-2004, then yes. Otherwise no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2...d_turnings

I was born in 1986, so I guess so. Still, as much as I played video games growing up, I still find competitive video gaming to be a bit much.

(08-25-2018 10:38 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I was born in 1986, so I guess so. Still, as much as I played video games growing up, I still find competitive video gaming to be a bit much.

I was playing my Atari 2600 in 1986. Very good at Pac-Man, River Raid and Defender.

Then the Nintendo came out and I literally dropped my jaw over the graphics on Kung Fu and Super Mario Brothers I. It was such a step up from the Atari. Mega Man took things to the next level since it was possible to build up powers for each level completed.

But man the Nintendo was expensive. $175 dollars back in 1986 and the best titles pushed $60-$70 dollars.

(08-25-2018 10:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 09:39 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Competitive video gaming.

Millenials (Am I a millennial?)

If you were born in the period from 1982-2004, then yes. Otherwise no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2...d_turnings

I disagree with that definition of Millennials. If you have lived your entire life with high speed internet and a smartphone, that's Gen Z. Millennials end somewhere in the late 90s in reality.

The competitive video gaming deal is a Gen Z thing... The kids that have always had a device in their hand and can't fathom life without the internet.

(08-27-2018 04:15 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 10:20 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 09:39 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Competitive video gaming.

Millenials (Am I a millennial?)

If you were born in the period from 1982-2004, then yes. Otherwise no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2...d_turnings

I disagree with that definition of Millennials. If you have lived your entire life with high speed internet and a smartphone, that's Gen Z. Millennials end somewhere in the late 90s in reality.

The competitive video gaming deal is a Gen Z thing... The kids that have always had a device in their hand and can't fathom life without the internet.

I’d end the millennial generation somewhere around 96-98 as well. Basically were you old enough to remember the turn or the century, 9/11, and the rise of high speed internet

1981 to 1995 is my definition of millennial. Gen Z is the next group 1996 to something.

I sort of lost my interest in video games when I could no longer get a computer to play Airborne Ranger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_Ranger

(08-19-2018 12:35 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 11:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Charlotte may have looked around and said, "Sooner or later the Big East is going to pick off one or more A10 teams, and if anyone raids AAC, UMass is going to be on their radar.

A couple of years ago, maybe that was the thinking. I think the Big East is now really content at 10 and isn't looking further...although if Connecticut came knocking on its door to park its non-football teams, it would be difficult to turn down.

Agreed for the short term, but I do think that the Big East eventually winds up at 11 teams playing a 20-game conference schedule. My guess is they'll wait out the Big 12 situation to see if UConn shakes loose, one way or another, and if not they'll look elsewhere for a final member (in my opinion, likely Saint Louis).