(08-18-2018 12:19 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  A good way of looking at it is what school would sell the most T-shirts on a National level? Or what teams in conference is a person in Idaho or South Dakota most likely to have heard of. Winning is probably the biggest factor in getting "known" of course and helping build a "brand".

1. Southern Miss - Long mostly steady winning tradition in I-A football. Favre. Has been in CUSA with some very, very good programs.
2. Marshall - WAM. Winning-est team in the 90's. Moss, Pennington, Leftwich, Troy Brown, Hassan Whiteside.
3. La Tech - Nearly a tie with Marshall. Rich Football history. Duck Dynasty. Terry Bradshaw. Karl Malone. Trace Adkins. Kix Brooks. Good Basketball.
4. Rice - A school that I picture is out of our league in academics. Long time Baseball power.
5. ODU - Long time Basketball success.
6. UTEP - Usually leads CUSA in attendance in most sports. 1966 Basketball National Champions.
7. Western Kentucky - Long rich tradition in Basketball. Quality sports across board as of late (overall last decade).
8. MTSU - Quality Programs across board (overall last decade).
9. FAU - On rise as of late. Kiffin helps "the brand" tremendously.
10. UAB - Fought to get football back.
11. North Texas - Good football program.
12. Charlotte - Good Basketball program.
13. FIU - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.
14. UTSA - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.

I agree with this list for the most part but being a top brand in a league like CUSA is probably not something very positive. It basically means that the program has been around longer compared to others in the conference but has not been good enough to move up beyond this level. Programs with strong pasts but which are still in CUSA have bleak futures ahead. Just my opinion as much as that's worth.

I think the two programs with the most promise in this league to develop strong future brands and to move far above CUSA are UNT and FIU. It is up to both school's leadership whether they amount to anything.

(08-18-2018 04:02 PM)XYZ Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 12:19 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  A good way of looking at it is what school would sell the most T-shirts on a National level? Or what teams in conference is a person in Idaho or South Dakota most likely to have heard of. Winning is probably the biggest factor in getting "known" of course and helping build a "brand".

1. Southern Miss - Long mostly steady winning tradition in I-A football. Favre. Has been in CUSA with some very, very good programs.
2. Marshall - WAM. Winning-est team in the 90's. Moss, Pennington, Leftwich, Troy Brown, Hassan Whiteside.
3. La Tech - Nearly a tie with Marshall. Rich Football history. Duck Dynasty. Terry Bradshaw. Karl Malone. Trace Adkins. Kix Brooks. Good Basketball.
4. Rice - A school that I picture is out of our league in academics. Long time Baseball power.
5. ODU - Long time Basketball success.
6. UTEP - Usually leads CUSA in attendance in most sports. 1966 Basketball National Champions.
7. Western Kentucky - Long rich tradition in Basketball. Quality sports across board as of late (overall last decade).
8. MTSU - Quality Programs across board (overall last decade).
9. FAU - On rise as of late. Kiffin helps "the brand" tremendously.
10. UAB - Fought to get football back.
11. North Texas - Good football program.
12. Charlotte - Good Basketball program.
13. FIU - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.
14. UTSA - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.

I agree with this list for the most part but being a top brand in a league like CUSA is probably not something very positive. It basically means that the program has been around longer compared to others in the conference but has not been good enough to move up beyond this level. Programs with strong pasts but which are still in CUSA have bleak futures ahead. Just my opinion as much as that's worth.

I think the two programs with the most promise in this league to develop strong future brands and to move far above CUSA are UNT and FIU. It is up to both school's leadership whether they amount to anything.

That reasoning is so flawed it's not even funny. So Marshall and USM were left behind because of performance? Right, because SMU, Tulane, ECU, and Tulsa have been burning up the pavement.

We were left behind because of budget, enrollment, and academics.

(08-18-2018 04:02 PM)XYZ Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 12:19 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  A good way of looking at it is what school would sell the most T-shirts on a National level? Or what teams in conference is a person in Idaho or South Dakota most likely to have heard of. Winning is probably the biggest factor in getting "known" of course and helping build a "brand".

1. Southern Miss - Long mostly steady winning tradition in I-A football. Favre. Has been in CUSA with some very, very good programs.
2. Marshall - WAM. Winning-est team in the 90's. Moss, Pennington, Leftwich, Troy Brown, Hassan Whiteside.
3. La Tech - Nearly a tie with Marshall. Rich Football history. Duck Dynasty. Terry Bradshaw. Karl Malone. Trace Adkins. Kix Brooks. Good Basketball.
4. Rice - A school that I picture is out of our league in academics. Long time Baseball power.
5. ODU - Long time Basketball success.
6. UTEP - Usually leads CUSA in attendance in most sports. 1966 Basketball National Champions.
7. Western Kentucky - Long rich tradition in Basketball. Quality sports across board as of late (overall last decade).
8. MTSU - Quality Programs across board (overall last decade).
9. FAU - On rise as of late. Kiffin helps "the brand" tremendously.
10. UAB - Fought to get football back.
11. North Texas - Good football program.
12. Charlotte - Good Basketball program.
13. FIU - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.
14. UTSA - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.

I agree with this list for the most part but being a top brand in a league like CUSA is probably not something very positive. It basically means that the program has been around longer compared to others in the conference but has not been good enough to move up beyond this level. Programs with strong pasts but which are still in CUSA have bleak futures ahead. Just my opinion as much as that's worth.

I think the two programs with the most promise in this league to develop strong future brands and to move far above CUSA are UNT and FIU. It is up to both school's leadership whether they amount to anything.

Ha! UCF will still be in the AAC in a decade from now. Y'all aren't going anywhere. A person in Idaho or South Dakota wouldn't know the difference between UCF or USF. You aren't a brand name.

(08-18-2018 04:10 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 04:02 PM)XYZ Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 12:19 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  A good way of looking at it is what school would sell the most T-shirts on a National level? Or what teams in conference is a person in Idaho or South Dakota most likely to have heard of. Winning is probably the biggest factor in getting "known" of course and helping build a "brand".

1. Southern Miss - Long mostly steady winning tradition in I-A football. Favre. Has been in CUSA with some very, very good programs.
2. Marshall - WAM. Winning-est team in the 90's. Moss, Pennington, Leftwich, Troy Brown, Hassan Whiteside.
3. La Tech - Nearly a tie with Marshall. Rich Football history. Duck Dynasty. Terry Bradshaw. Karl Malone. Trace Adkins. Kix Brooks. Good Basketball.
4. Rice - A school that I picture is out of our league in academics. Long time Baseball power.
5. ODU - Long time Basketball success.
6. UTEP - Usually leads CUSA in attendance in most sports. 1966 Basketball National Champions.
7. Western Kentucky - Long rich tradition in Basketball. Quality sports across board as of late (overall last decade).
8. MTSU - Quality Programs across board (overall last decade).
9. FAU - On rise as of late. Kiffin helps "the brand" tremendously.
10. UAB - Fought to get football back.
11. North Texas - Good football program.
12. Charlotte - Good Basketball program.
13. FIU - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.
14. UTSA - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.

I agree with this list for the most part but being a top brand in a league like CUSA is probably not something very positive. It basically means that the program has been around longer compared to others in the conference but has not been good enough to move up beyond this level. Programs with strong pasts but which are still in CUSA have bleak futures ahead. Just my opinion as much as that's worth.

I think the two programs with the most promise in this league to develop strong future brands and to move far above CUSA are UNT and FIU. It is up to both school's leadership whether they amount to anything.

That reasoning is so flawed it's not even funny. So Marshall and USM were left behind because of performance? Right, because SMU, Tulane, ECU, and Tulsa have been burning up the pavement.

We were left behind because of budget, enrollment, and academics.

I wouldn't say left behind. We are still in C-USA because of our media market. That is all that matters at this point.

USM at no. 1 is right imo.

But since basketball plays a part in the ranking, UAB should absolutely be higher. Its basketball pedigree is at least up there with WKU's.

GhentFan ' Wrote:  Not sure if you want the opinion of somebody who doesn't watch college sports. But I asked my wife:

1) Marshall
2) Southern Miss
3) ODU (biased opinion)
4) Rice

Nobody else matters as she's never heard of them. Figure that is a good test.

That is probably exactly what my wife would say as well. Actually that's probably what most my friends would say. Before we joined I knew nothing of the Texas schools other than Rice. Now I'm a educated ambassador for all.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

I did the wife test too. She is casual but attends most games with me. I asked her who is the most nationally relevant?

1. Marshall

2. Rice

3. ODU (she named them... yep)

4. Florida Int (because of the bridge. Yikes. Sorry)

Just being honest!

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Okay I went one step further because I know you are on the edge of your seats. I asked her if she can name all you all. Here is how she did it:

FL international
The other Florida school. Atlantic.
Marshall
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
Rice
North Texas
San Antonio
(She thought there were 3 Texas schools)
After a few hints she got El Paso
Southern Miss
Birmingham
(Ater telling her there's one in Kentucky)
Western Kentucky
(After telling her she's missing the closest school to us)
Charlotte

There you have it folks. You can shut the thread down now.

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(08-18-2018 02:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 12:19 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  A good way of looking at it is what school would sell the most T-shirts on a National level? Or what teams in conference is a person in Idaho or South Dakota most likely to have heard of. Winning is probably the biggest factor in getting "known" of course and helping build a "brand".

1. Southern Miss - Long mostly steady winning tradition in I-A football. Favre. Has been in CUSA with some very, very good programs.
2. Marshall - WAM. Winning-est team in the 90's. Moss, Pennington, Leftwich, Troy Brown, Hassan Whiteside.
3. La Tech - Nearly a tie with Marshall. Rich Football history. Duck Dynasty. Terry Bradshaw. Karl Malone. Trace Adkins. Kix Brooks. Good Basketball.
4. Rice - A school that I picture is out of our league in academics. Long time Baseball power.
5. ODU - Long time Basketball success.
6. UTEP - Usually leads CUSA in attendance in most sports. 1966 Basketball National Champions.
7. Western Kentucky - Long rich tradition in Basketball. Quality sports across board as of late (overall last decade).
8. MTSU - Quality Programs across board (overall last decade).
9. FAU - On rise as of late. Kiffin helps "the brand" tremendously.
10. UAB - Fought to get football back.
11. North Texas - Good football program.
12. Charlotte - Good Basketball program.
13. FIU - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.
14. UTSA - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.

Not going to go into this topic on a FB level but did want to point out something about basketball.

You list ODU for their Basketball success only.

Then you list Western two spots below with the key point Long rich tradition in Basketball.

I think you would be surprised at just how "rich' Western's basketball history is. Not that there's anything wrong with ODU's, but historically they dont compare.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...-kentucky/


Two weeks before football season and I'm talking basketball. Hate it! Guess Western is back to a basketball school . This football season most likely goes down hill fast.

I did not read all of the post so maybe this has been pointed out....Duck Dynasty is ULM not Tech

ODU 28 National Championships (Team Titles)

FYI I believe ODU may be near the top for NCAA National Championships won in team sports - 13 NCAA & AIAW Titles, 28 National Titles for all sports.
3 Women's Basketball National Titles (NCAA -2 AIAW 1)
9 Field Hockey NCAA
1 NCAA Men's Basketball Title Div II
15 National Sailing
(15) ICSA (Intercollegiate Sailing Association)
1982 Women's
1987 Women's
1989 Sloop
1989 Singlehanded
1989 Dinghy
1990 Sloop
1990 Team Race
1992 Sloop
1996 Singlehanded
1998 Team Race
1998 Co-ed Dinghy
2002 Women's
2002 Women's Singlehanded
2003 Women's Singlehanded
2004 Women's Singlehanded

Many Individual titles as well.

Link.... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...M_ID=31100

This thread took me back to when I worked at a fast food joint about a decade ago. The older guys that had worked there for a while use to think they were so cool they made 7.15 while the rest of us made 7hr. The point is we all make McDonald’s wages in the world of NCAA athletics. If any of us were worth more we wouldn’t be here having this pointless conversation.

(08-18-2018 06:21 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 02:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 12:19 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  A good way of looking at it is what school would sell the most T-shirts on a National level? Or what teams in conference is a person in Idaho or South Dakota most likely to have heard of. Winning is probably the biggest factor in getting "known" of course and helping build a "brand".

1. Southern Miss - Long mostly steady winning tradition in I-A football. Favre. Has been in CUSA with some very, very good programs.
2. Marshall - WAM. Winning-est team in the 90's. Moss, Pennington, Leftwich, Troy Brown, Hassan Whiteside.
3. La Tech - Nearly a tie with Marshall. Rich Football history. Duck Dynasty. Terry Bradshaw. Karl Malone. Trace Adkins. Kix Brooks. Good Basketball.
4. Rice - A school that I picture is out of our league in academics. Long time Baseball power.
5. ODU - Long time Basketball success.
6. UTEP - Usually leads CUSA in attendance in most sports. 1966 Basketball National Champions.
7. Western Kentucky - Long rich tradition in Basketball. Quality sports across board as of late (overall last decade).
8. MTSU - Quality Programs across board (overall last decade).
9. FAU - On rise as of late. Kiffin helps "the brand" tremendously.
10. UAB - Fought to get football back.
11. North Texas - Good football program.
12. Charlotte - Good Basketball program.
13. FIU - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.
14. UTSA - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.

Not going to go into this topic on a FB level but did want to point out something about basketball.

You list ODU for their Basketball success only.

Then you list Western two spots below with the key point Long rich tradition in Basketball.

I think you would be surprised at just how "rich' Western's basketball history is. Not that there's anything wrong with ODU's, but historically they dont compare.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...-kentucky/


Two weeks before football season and I'm talking basketball. Hate it! Guess Western is back to a basketball school . This football season most likely goes down hill fast.

I did not read all of the post so maybe this has been pointed out....Duck Dynasty is ULM not Tech

ODU 28 National Championships (Team Titles)

FYI I believe ODU may be near the top for NCAA National Championships won in team sports - 13 NCAA & AIAW Titles, 28 National Titles for all sports.
3 Women's Basketball National Titles (NCAA -2 AIAW 1)
9 Field Hockey NCAA
1 NCAA Men's Basketball Title Div II
15 National Sailing
(15) ICSA (Intercollegiate Sailing Association)
1982 Women's
1987 Women's
1989 Sloop
1989 Singlehanded
1989 Dinghy
1990 Sloop
1990 Team Race
1992 Sloop
1996 Singlehanded
1998 Team Race
1998 Co-ed Dinghy
2002 Women's
2002 Women's Singlehanded
2003 Women's Singlehanded
2004 Women's Singlehanded

Many Individual titles as well.

Link.... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...M_ID=31100

LOL, don't take this the wrong way because UTSA's only national titles that I know of are in Cheerleading and Baton Twirling. But seriously, most of the country knows nothing about any of those things you listed there, and so they do next to nothing for your brand nationally. The majority of schools don't even compete in those sports to begin with, making winning national titles that much easier.

That said, I knew this would turn into yet another pissing contest, and these sorts of threads usually get started by people who know their schools can piss a good distance. I do agree with an earlier poster who said that the schools who've had football for decades upon decades upon decades have a huge advantage from the outset because a school like UTSA just barely got its foot in the door so far.

But really though, titles in co-ed dinghy, sloop, badminton, table tennis, PacMan, or whatever else you fellas wanna list are only important to the people who win them because most everyone else couldn't care less, so they really don't do much for branding.

(08-18-2018 07:03 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  This thread took me back to when I worked at a fast food joint about a decade ago. The older guys that had worked there for a while use to think they were so cool they made 7.15 while the rest of us made 7hr. The point is we all make McDonald’s wages in the world of NCAA athletics. If any of us were worth more we wouldn’t be here having this pointless conversation.

LOL well said. Close this damn thread.

(08-18-2018 07:04 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 06:21 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 02:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 12:19 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  A good way of looking at it is what school would sell the most T-shirts on a National level? Or what teams in conference is a person in Idaho or South Dakota most likely to have heard of. Winning is probably the biggest factor in getting "known" of course and helping build a "brand".

1. Southern Miss - Long mostly steady winning tradition in I-A football. Favre. Has been in CUSA with some very, very good programs.
2. Marshall - WAM. Winning-est team in the 90's. Moss, Pennington, Leftwich, Troy Brown, Hassan Whiteside.
3. La Tech - Nearly a tie with Marshall. Rich Football history. Duck Dynasty. Terry Bradshaw. Karl Malone. Trace Adkins. Kix Brooks. Good Basketball.
4. Rice - A school that I picture is out of our league in academics. Long time Baseball power.
5. ODU - Long time Basketball success.
6. UTEP - Usually leads CUSA in attendance in most sports. 1966 Basketball National Champions.
7. Western Kentucky - Long rich tradition in Basketball. Quality sports across board as of late (overall last decade).
8. MTSU - Quality Programs across board (overall last decade).
9. FAU - On rise as of late. Kiffin helps "the brand" tremendously.
10. UAB - Fought to get football back.
11. North Texas - Good football program.
12. Charlotte - Good Basketball program.
13. FIU - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.
14. UTSA - To me, still building their programs...but doing very well at it.

Not going to go into this topic on a FB level but did want to point out something about basketball.

You list ODU for their Basketball success only.

Then you list Western two spots below with the key point Long rich tradition in Basketball.

I think you would be surprised at just how "rich' Western's basketball history is. Not that there's anything wrong with ODU's, but historically they dont compare.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...-kentucky/


Two weeks before football season and I'm talking basketball. Hate it! Guess Western is back to a basketball school . This football season most likely goes down hill fast.

I did not read all of the post so maybe this has been pointed out....Duck Dynasty is ULM not Tech

ODU 28 National Championships (Team Titles)

FYI I believe ODU may be near the top for NCAA National Championships won in team sports - 13 NCAA & AIAW Titles, 28 National Titles for all sports.
3 Women's Basketball National Titles (NCAA -2 AIAW 1)
9 Field Hockey NCAA
1 NCAA Men's Basketball Title Div II
15 National Sailing
(15) ICSA (Intercollegiate Sailing Association)
1982 Women's
1987 Women's
1989 Sloop
1989 Singlehanded
1989 Dinghy
1990 Sloop
1990 Team Race
1992 Sloop
1996 Singlehanded
1998 Team Race
1998 Co-ed Dinghy
2002 Women's
2002 Women's Singlehanded
2003 Women's Singlehanded
2004 Women's Singlehanded

Many Individual titles as well.

Link.... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...M_ID=31100

LOL, don't take this the wrong way because UTSA's only national titles that I know of are in Cheerleading and Baton Twirling. But seriously, most of the country knows nothing about any of those things you listed there, and so they do next to nothing for your brand nationally. The majority of schools don't even compete in those sports to begin with, making winning national titles that much easier.

That said, I knew this would turn into yet another pissing contest, and these sorts of threads usually get started by people who know their schools can piss a good distance. I do agree with an earlier poster who said that the schools who've had football for decades upon decades upon decades have a huge advantage from the outset because a school like UTSA just barely got its foot in the door so far.

But really though, titles in co-ed dinghy, sloop, badminton, table tennis, PacMan, or whatever else you fellas wanna list are only important to the people who win them because most everyone else couldn't care less, so they really don't do much for branding.

Co Ed Dinghy National Title is nothing to laugh at.

The wife test. Best CUSA brands.

1. Cincinnati
2. Miami. I asked her, "what Miami?" She clarified "Miami of Ohio"
3. Marshall
4. UAB. Specifically, she said "the dragon school"
5. Rice

So just for perspective I asked her if she knew any SEC schools. She said.

1. Duke
2. Texas
3. Arkansas
4. "Maybe Alabama"
5. "I guess Tennessee, are they there?"

Goes to show no one cares. It's possible 10% of the US population even care about college sports. We're probably, what .5% of that?

(08-18-2018 03:32 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 03:25 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 02:50 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 02:03 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Right on target, Herd1. Well thought out post.

Whether the former Sunbelt would admit to it, being stuck in Sunbelt for over decade with no top 25 teams, no recognition, no exposure did not advance their brands.

The WAC did what, exactly, for La Tech?

12 seasons, 71-70, and a ticket to CUSA 3.0.

What did La Tech get out of the WAC that FAU/FIU/MT/UNT/WKU didn't get out of the Sunbelt?

Gave us the opportunity to play ranked teams at home, solid regional conference in the beginning and we actually won it in FB our 1st year, more $ than Sunbelt & kept us from being in same conference as ULM/ULL (big deal to some folks) - that's all I got

Exposure, Playing top 5 Boise at Home on ESPN, Ranked Hawaii at home with Lou Holtz, Mark May and Chip Reese.

If he can't see how bad the Sunbelt conference was for Middle, I can't help him

Don't worry MTKapp can't be helped anyway.

BTW, LA Tech was nationally ranked a few times while we were in the WAC, and even before we joined the WAC, Tech was in the Top 25 in 1999 also (one week before losing to Southern CAL). Also, playing in the WAC got LA Tech national exposure playing TCU in the Poinsettia Bowl and Clemson in the H-Bowl.

But having ESPN's A-team broadcast a few games from Joe Aillet Stadium was a real brand boost.

(08-18-2018 07:03 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  This thread took me back to when I worked at a fast food joint about a decade ago. The older guys that had worked there for a while use to think they were so cool they made 7.15 while the rest of us made 7hr. The point is we all make McDonald’s wages in the world of NCAA athletics. If any of us were worth more we wouldn’t be here having this pointless conversation.

FTR, Southern Miss got a raw deal, they should be with us, they earned it. Rice could be somewhere if they could figure out what they want to be. And UTEP has the ingredients minus on the field/court success.

(08-18-2018 05:19 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  USM at no. 1 is right imo.

But since basketball plays a part in the ranking, UAB should absolutely be higher. Its basketball pedigree is at least up there with WKU's.

Not close because of their short history. Some of you want to count 40 or 50 years ago in football but if we did the same for basketball, Western's history was truly national....

Western was ranked in the top 10, 8 years, top 15, 12 years, Top 20, 19 years, top 25 21 years and that doesn't include before the AP had a poll. A total of 111 weeks in the AP

So 21 out of 70 season the AP had a poll Western was ranked 30% of the time. UAB been ranked 6 out of 39 seasons and a total of 34 weeks . 1 top 10, 2 top 15, 1 top 20, 2 top 25

Below is Western's record for 10 of the 12 seasons before the AP poll started and if a poll was taken you can add 10 more years and no telling how many weeks to Western's total

25 - 4 .862
24 - 3 .889
29 - 5 .853
22-4 .846
24 - 6 .800
22 - 3 .880
30 - 3 .909
21 - 2 .913
26 - 4 .867
24 - 3 .889


UAB 34 weeks (6 times)
UTEP 60 weeks ( 10 times)
Middle 2 weeks (1 time)
ODU 1 week (1 time)
UNCC 22 weeks (5 times)
Marshall 14 weeks (2 times)
UNT 2 weeks (1 time)
UTSA 0 weeks
FIU 0 weeks
FAU 0 weeks
S.MISS 19 Weeks (2 times
Tech 14 weeks (2 times)
Rice 8 weeks (3 times)

Western ranked in AP 21 years
Top 3 in CUSA, UTEP, UAB, UNCC 21 YEARS

Do we need to look at wins? 16th nationally

Do we need to look at winning%? 8th nationally

Do we need to look at 20 win seasons? Western has 44 or 45% of season played but really 50% because 10 seasons Western played less than 20 games

Do we need to look at conference championships? 3rd nationally with 42


As I said UAB has a shorter history but historically its not close. As a matter of fact no one is close in CUSA. I know a few fans will say so what or want to list UTEP over Western. Or say most of Western's history was long long long ago. I say so what....

most of every school in this conference that has any history in basketball or for that matter football.....

was long long long ago

(08-18-2018 03:32 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 03:25 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 02:50 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 02:03 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Right on target, Herd1. Well thought out post.

Whether the former Sunbelt would admit to it, being stuck in Sunbelt for over decade with no top 25 teams, no recognition, no exposure did not advance their brands.

The WAC did what, exactly, for La Tech?

12 seasons, 71-70, and a ticket to CUSA 3.0.

What did La Tech get out of the WAC that FAU/FIU/MT/UNT/WKU didn't get out of the Sunbelt?

Gave us the opportunity to play ranked teams at home, solid regional conference in the beginning and we actually won it in FB our 1st year, more $ than Sunbelt & kept us from being in same conference as ULM/ULL (big deal to some folks) - that's all I got

Exposure, Playing top 5 Boise at Home on ESPN, Ranked Hawaii at home with Lou Holtz, Mark May and Chip Reese.

If he can't see how bad the Sunbelt conference was for Middle, I can't help him

The argument isn't that the Sunbelt was good for Middle, it's that for all the "exposure", the WAC was no better for you in the long run than the Sunbelt was for us.

If you had achieved more than two weeks being ranked, let alone a BCS bid, I'd concede the point, but here we are in CUSA 3.0, just the same as you.

(08-18-2018 10:17 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 03:32 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 03:25 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 02:50 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 02:03 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Right on target, Herd1. Well thought out post.

Whether the former Sunbelt would admit to it, being stuck in Sunbelt for over decade with no top 25 teams, no recognition, no exposure did not advance their brands.

The WAC did what, exactly, for La Tech?

12 seasons, 71-70, and a ticket to CUSA 3.0.

What did La Tech get out of the WAC that FAU/FIU/MT/UNT/WKU didn't get out of the Sunbelt?

Gave us the opportunity to play ranked teams at home, solid regional conference in the beginning and we actually won it in FB our 1st year, more $ than Sunbelt & kept us from being in same conference as ULM/ULL (big deal to some folks) - that's all I got

Exposure, Playing top 5 Boise at Home on ESPN, Ranked Hawaii at home with Lou Holtz, Mark May and Chip Reese.

If he can't see how bad the Sunbelt conference was for Middle, I can't help him

The argument isn't that the Sunbelt was good for Middle, it's that for all the "exposure", the WAC was no better for you in the long run than the Sunbelt was for us.

If you had achieved more than two weeks being ranked, let alone a BCS bid, I'd concede the point, but here we are in CUSA 3.0, just the same as you.

lol. Wrong again 5 weeks in top 25. 5 weeks more than the whole 20 year existence of the Sunbelt conference

(08-18-2018 11:02 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 10:17 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 03:32 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 03:25 PM)winston70 Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 02:50 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The WAC did what, exactly, for La Tech?

12 seasons, 71-70, and a ticket to CUSA 3.0.

What did La Tech get out of the WAC that FAU/FIU/MT/UNT/WKU didn't get out of the Sunbelt?

Gave us the opportunity to play ranked teams at home, solid regional conference in the beginning and we actually won it in FB our 1st year, more $ than Sunbelt & kept us from being in same conference as ULM/ULL (big deal to some folks) - that's all I got

Exposure, Playing top 5 Boise at Home on ESPN, Ranked Hawaii at home with Lou Holtz, Mark May and Chip Reese.

If he can't see how bad the Sunbelt conference was for Middle, I can't help him

The argument isn't that the Sunbelt was good for Middle, it's that for all the "exposure", the WAC was no better for you in the long run than the Sunbelt was for us.

If you had achieved more than two weeks being ranked, let alone a BCS bid, I'd concede the point, but here we are in CUSA 3.0, just the same as you.

lol. Wrong again 5 weeks in top 25. 5 weeks more than the whole 20 year existence of the Sunbelt conference

Two weeks, five weeks, either way, is that better than zero? Sure, but a whole heck of a lot of good it did you, you're in a conference with five former belters just the same.

What are the tangible benefits, in 2018, from La Tech's twelve years in the WAC compared to MT's twelve years in the Belt?