(08-27-2018 09:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 10:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 09:18 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  Yeah, but it's official. What's the great quote from the movie training day, "it's not what you know it's what you can prove " and 20-30 years from people will look in the history books to see who all have won college football championships and boom there will be the that team from the AAC UCF.

And then they'll wonder why it says "Alabama" right above it....



http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...18/FBS.pdf (p. 115)

... and why DOESN'T it say Alabama 2016, Notre Dame 2012, or Oklahoma State 2011 as national champs even though they won the same bogus Colley-Matrix poll as UCF did.

It's a pure propaganda listing.

Heck Colley was NEVER a major selector on its own, it was only a major selector while part of the BCS formula, a formula that died 6 years ago.

The answer to your question is that the NCAA record book recognizes claimed national championships which are validated by a "major selector"
And if you look on page 115 of the current record book, it does list '16 Bama, '12 ND, and '11 Ok State in the same way it does '17 UCF.
Any one of the three teams you listed could claim it tomorrow, just like '41 Bama does.

Its not "claimed" national championships. Texas makes no claims to 1941, 1968 or 1981, but it is listed.

Oklahoma State in 2016 put up stadium signage for 1945 championship that they hadn't previously claimed. AFCA awarded it RETROACTIVELY, and now it's in the NCAA record books.

They're recognized by the NCAA as legitimate or claimable because of an NCAA recognized major selector. Hang those banners - I won't mind not would I suspect Danny White and UCF mind.

(08-21-2018 12:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Perhaps the UCF National Championship claim was more eye opening than many thought--- I thought the following comments were quite surprising---

"I would now be open to six," Alvarez told CBS Sports. "Two byes [for the top two teams]. … Maybe give one spot to the … [Group of Five champion]."

Alvarez was referring to the assumption that a six-team bracket would necessitate giving first-round byes to the two highest- ranked teams. Any six-team bracket would almost certainly have to include an automatic spot for the best Group of Five champion. Last year, that was UCF.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...convinced/

As a P5 fan(No such thing as P6). I say no. Alabama won fair and square.

(08-27-2018 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 10:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  It was one of the worst. Some undergrad at VPI created it.

But listing it in the NCAA record book is consistent with what they have done in the past.

No, as I pointed out, Alabama 2016, Notre Dame 2012, and Oklahoma State 2011 all "won" the Colley-Matrix championship, but were never listed in any record book since those respective years.

Still aren't, not even in this new one that lists UCF.

Bolded statement is not correct.
Edited to add - sounds like they have continued to edit their document.

(08-27-2018 06:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 07:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Lots of schools claim one or more national titles under less than unanimous, and dubious, circumstances, including Alabama more than once, so it's not like this is the first time it ever happened anywhere.

Nobody said it was. I was commenting on the UCF listing in the 2018 NCAA FBS record book and how that deviates from prior year's record books with regard to schools that were named national champ only by Colley-matrix.

And I replied that lots of championships are disputed, or double claimed, and this one is not the exception you seem to want to make it out to be. Otherwise, why mention it?

So I had a valid point, as a response.

Your point was not valid in context, which is that the NCAA had NOT previously listed the "winner" of CM poll as a national champion, and still hasn't, except for UCF. OK State 2011, Notre Dame 2012, and Alabama 2016 all 'won' the same bogus CM that UCF 2017 did, but they were never listed by the NCAA and still aren't listed, while UCF is.

So UCF being listed is absolutely the exception I made it out to be.

How many of those other CM #1’s we’re undefeated? Is that another “exception” you overlooked?

I wonder if UCF's PR push will invite other teams/programs to declare themselves as a national champion. TCU (2010), Boise State (2009 and 2006), Utah (2008 and 2006), Marshall (1999) and Tulane (1998) could all - in theory - pull the same stunt and put up banners, flags and stadium engravings declaring the same recognition.

(08-27-2018 07:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:19 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  The NFL is one league with two divisions were every team has an equal path to the championship. Therefore there's no outside sources trying to determine anything. If the worst team in the NFL last year went undefeated this year they are the champions period case closed. Any "agreement " that lets outside forces decide things such as college football, will always leave the door open for controversy and yes multiple champions. To compare college football to the NFL is apples to oranges, two completely different operational setups. The most overreaching and constant entity for college football has decided by these predetermined data points that UCF is also a champion

What "outside forces" does the CFP allow to determine anything? That's the way it was in the old days, when the AP and Coaches polls - outside forces - determined the champion. But the CFP is self-contained. It is agreed on by all the member conferences, and the playoff teams are determined by a CFP-created committee. There are no 'outside forces' involved with the CFP.

And what on earth does that bolded phrase mean?

The moment it's not decided purely the field period means you've created an outside force.

To make any sense at all, "outside force" has to mean "outside of the organization that is running the competition". E.g., if the FBS schools said that the AP poll would determine their national champion, that would be allowing an outside force to influence the result, because the AP is not a part of the FBS schools and conferences.

But every aspect of the CFP is a creation of and under the control of the CFP member conferences, so there is no aspect of the CFP, including the committee, that is an outside force.

The CFP itself is an "outside force". It is a for profit organization. Its not about competition, fairness, or finding the champion. Its about making money. Not to mention half the team that "agreed" to it essentially had no choice.

That's your editorial commentary. The bottom line is that the CFP factually is not an "outside force" as it is the creation of the ten FBS conferences and independents. That is what it is.

(08-27-2018 09:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  The answer to your question is that the NCAA record book recognizes claimed national championships which are validated by a "major selector"
And if you look on page 115 of the current record book, it does list '16 Bama, '12 ND, and '11 Ok State in the same way it does '17 UCF.
Any one of the three teams you listed could claim it tomorrow, just like '41 Bama does.

When he posted the link to the current record book, it did NOT indicate those other schools the way it did UCF 2017. They literally just added that. Wish i had screen-captured it, LOL.

More importantly, the UCF propaganda nature of this listing is revealed by the fact that NONE of the other previous books included the listings for 2016 Alabama, 2012 Notre dame, or 2011 Oklahoma State, e.g., see page 115 of the 2017 (last year's) book:

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...17/FBS.pdf

And here's the 2016 book (no listing for Notre Dame or OK State on p. 114):

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...16/FBS.pdf

Look quick before they change those too, LOL (i did screen-cap those for posterity).

Bottom line is that the NCAA never listed the CM standalone winner - until UCF propaganda this past year.

(08-28-2018 09:03 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I wonder if UCF's PR push will invite other teams/programs to declare themselves as a national champion. TCU (2010), Boise State (2009 and 2006), Utah (2008 and 2006), Marshall (1999) and Tulane (1998) could all - in theory - pull the same stunt and put up banners, flags and stadium engravings declaring the same recognition.

Really, UCF's stunt has nothing to do with it. Anyone can claim anything they want, it's a free country in that respect. USF or Marquette could declare themselves 2010 national champions if we wanted to.

Like UCF, it would be ridiculous, but some schools have no shame.

(08-28-2018 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:03 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I wonder if UCF's PR push will invite other teams/programs to declare themselves as a national champion. TCU (2010), Boise State (2009 and 2006), Utah (2008 and 2006), Marshall (1999) and Tulane (1998) could all - in theory - pull the same stunt and put up banners, flags and stadium engravings declaring the same recognition.

Really, UCF's stunt has nothing to do with it. Anyone can claim anything they want, it's a free country in that respect. USF or Marquette could declare themselves 2010 national champions if we wanted to.

Like UCF, it would be ridiculous, but some schools have no shame.

Marquette Football has been undefeated for 57 years. I'll petition our athletic department to hang a banner.

(08-28-2018 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 07:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  What "outside forces" does the CFP allow to determine anything? That's the way it was in the old days, when the AP and Coaches polls - outside forces - determined the champion. But the CFP is self-contained. It is agreed on by all the member conferences, and the playoff teams are determined by a CFP-created committee. There are no 'outside forces' involved with the CFP.

And what on earth does that bolded phrase mean?

The moment it's not decided purely the field period means you've created an outside force.

To make any sense at all, "outside force" has to mean "outside of the organization that is running the competition". E.g., if the FBS schools said that the AP poll would determine their national champion, that would be allowing an outside force to influence the result, because the AP is not a part of the FBS schools and conferences.

But every aspect of the CFP is a creation of and under the control of the CFP member conferences, so there is no aspect of the CFP, including the committee, that is an outside force.

The CFP itself is an "outside force". It is a for profit organization. Its not about competition, fairness, or finding the champion. Its about making money. Not to mention half the team that "agreed" to it essentially had no choice.

That's your editorial commentary. The bottom line is that the CFP factually is not an "outside force" as it is the creation of the ten FBS conferences and independents. That is what it is.

lol...its not editorial. Its a fact. The CFP is not part of the NCAA. We are talking about the NCAA Record Book, correct? Then the CFP, which is not part of the NCAA---but is a totally independent stand alone "for profit organization"---is an outside force by any meaningful definition. The fact FBS conferences signed a deal with them makes the CFP no different than ESPN or FOX--both of which are also outside forces despite having signed deals with FBS conferences.

(08-28-2018 09:46 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:03 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I wonder if UCF's PR push will invite other teams/programs to declare themselves as a national champion. TCU (2010), Boise State (2009 and 2006), Utah (2008 and 2006), Marshall (1999) and Tulane (1998) could all - in theory - pull the same stunt and put up banners, flags and stadium engravings declaring the same recognition.

Really, UCF's stunt has nothing to do with it. Anyone can claim anything they want, it's a free country in that respect. USF or Marquette could declare themselves 2010 national champions if we wanted to.

Like UCF, it would be ridiculous, but some schools have no shame.

Marquette Football has been undefeated for 57 years. I'll petition our athletic department to hang a banner.

lol...and I dont know how you'd argue against a championship claim for a team that was undefeated for 57 straight years.

(08-28-2018 01:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 07:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 11:55 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  The moment it's not decided purely the field period means you've created an outside force.

To make any sense at all, "outside force" has to mean "outside of the organization that is running the competition". E.g., if the FBS schools said that the AP poll would determine their national champion, that would be allowing an outside force to influence the result, because the AP is not a part of the FBS schools and conferences.

But every aspect of the CFP is a creation of and under the control of the CFP member conferences, so there is no aspect of the CFP, including the committee, that is an outside force.

The CFP itself is an "outside force". It is a for profit organization. Its not about competition, fairness, or finding the champion. Its about making money. Not to mention half the team that "agreed" to it essentially had no choice.

That's your editorial commentary. The bottom line is that the CFP factually is not an "outside force" as it is the creation of the ten FBS conferences and independents. That is what it is.

lol...its not editorial. Its a fact. The CFP is not part of the NCAA. We are talking about the NCAA Record Book, correct?

WTH? No, an outside force is a force that is not under the control of the entity that is engaged in the competition. An example would be if the NFL decided to let an AP vote decide its championship, because the AP is not the creation of nor under the control of the NFL.

In this case, the NCAA is the outside entity, because the conferences involved have rejected the NCAA as the arbiter of their football championship.

That makes the NCAA is a null and void determiner of FBS national champions, because the FBS schools have explicitly rejected the NCAA's role in that process. That's the entire reason the FBS exists.

The NCAA has no more legitimacy to determine who an FBS national champ is than the Pope has to determine who the Jewish Rabbi of Newark is.

Is this really so hard to understand?

(08-28-2018 02:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 01:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 07:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  To make any sense at all, "outside force" has to mean "outside of the organization that is running the competition". E.g., if the FBS schools said that the AP poll would determine their national champion, that would be allowing an outside force to influence the result, because the AP is not a part of the FBS schools and conferences.

But every aspect of the CFP is a creation of and under the control of the CFP member conferences, so there is no aspect of the CFP, including the committee, that is an outside force.

The CFP itself is an "outside force". It is a for profit organization. Its not about competition, fairness, or finding the champion. Its about making money. Not to mention half the team that "agreed" to it essentially had no choice.

That's your editorial commentary. The bottom line is that the CFP factually is not an "outside force" as it is the creation of the ten FBS conferences and independents. That is what it is.

lol...its not editorial. Its a fact. The CFP is not part of the NCAA. We are talking about the NCAA Record Book, correct?

WTH? No, an outside force is a force that is not under the control of the entity that is engaged in the competition. An example would be if the NFL decided to let an AP vote decide its championship, because the AP is not the creation of nor under the control of the NFL.

In this case, the NCAA is the outside entity, because the conferences involved have rejected the NCAA as the arbiter of their football championship.

That makes the NCAA is a null and void determiner of FBS national champions, because the FBS schools have explicitly rejected the NCAA's role in that process. That's the entire reason the FBS exists.

The NCAA has no more legitimacy to determine who an FBS national champ is than the Pope has to determine who the Jewish Rabbi of Newark is.

Is this really so hard to understand?

And why is so hard for you to understand that the point of the discussion is the NCAA Record book? The key phrase here being NCAA record book.

You are free to argue its appropriateness---but for all eternity, the official record book of NCAA athletics---which is the reference of record for all NCAA statistics---will show 2017 as having a split national championship. The mere fact that the CFP can do nothing about that fact is proof positive that the CFP is, in fact---"an outside influence".

(08-27-2018 09:37 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:31 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 10:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  And then they'll wonder why it says "Alabama" right above it....



http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...18/FBS.pdf (p. 115)

... and why DOESN'T it say Alabama 2016, Notre Dame 2012, or Oklahoma State 2011 as national champs even though they won the same bogus Colley-Matrix poll as UCF did.

It's a pure propaganda listing.

Heck Colley was NEVER a major selector on its own, it was only a major selector while part of the BCS formula, a formula that died 6 years ago.

The answer to your question is that the NCAA record book recognizes claimed national championships which are validated by a "major selector"
And if you look on page 115 of the current record book, it does list '16 Bama, '12 ND, and '11 Ok State in the same way it does '17 UCF.
Any one of the three teams you listed could claim it tomorrow, just like '41 Bama does.

They added them in retrospectively starting with the 2018 edition. Check out page 115 of the 2017 edition: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...17/FBS.pdf

Okay. Fine.
The point is that the standard has always been claimed championships validated by an NCAA-recognized major selector.

UCF claimed it, NCAA said "yup, they meet our standard" and then they retroactively listed the other three.

That has never been the standard, it can't be because it is contradictory: E.g., Notre Dame 2012, Alabama 2016 and OK State 2011 have NEVER claimed those ridiculously bogus Colley-Matrix championships, so if what you are saying is the "standard" was applied, they would not have listed them in this new 2018 book.

The NCAA obviously never regarded Colley-Matrix as an independent major selector until UCF propagandized about it this year. THAT'S why none of those schools were listed.

This listing of UCF and Colley is pure propaganda, has no basis in history. Zilch. Manufactured for 2018.

To say nothing about how DUMB a ranking system Colley is, given that they picked 2016 Alabama and 2012 Notre Dame as their national champs. What a joke system.

(08-28-2018 02:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 02:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 01:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 07:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The CFP itself is an "outside force". It is a for profit organization. Its not about competition, fairness, or finding the champion. Its about making money. Not to mention half the team that "agreed" to it essentially had no choice.

That's your editorial commentary. The bottom line is that the CFP factually is not an "outside force" as it is the creation of the ten FBS conferences and independents. That is what it is.

lol...its not editorial. Its a fact. The CFP is not part of the NCAA. We are talking about the NCAA Record Book, correct?

WTH? No, an outside force is a force that is not under the control of the entity that is engaged in the competition. An example would be if the NFL decided to let an AP vote decide its championship, because the AP is not the creation of nor under the control of the NFL.

In this case, the NCAA is the outside entity, because the conferences involved have rejected the NCAA as the arbiter of their football championship.

That makes the NCAA is a null and void determiner of FBS national champions, because the FBS schools have explicitly rejected the NCAA's role in that process. That's the entire reason the FBS exists.

The NCAA has no more legitimacy to determine who an FBS national champ is than the Pope has to determine who the Jewish Rabbi of Newark is.

Is this really so hard to understand?

And why is so hard for you to understand that the point of the discussion is the NCAA Record book? The key phrase here being[b] NCAA record book.

WTH? I've been discussing the NCAA record book the whole time.

The NCAA record book with regards to FBS national champions is a joke, because the FBS schools and conferences reject the NCAA as the arbiter of their national champion.

The NCAA is the "outsider" here, the CFP, which is in fact the creation of the 10 conferences and independents, is the insider. This is Obvious. I mean, if you can't see that, you are hopeless on this one.

Also, there is no "split" national champion as the NCAA record book has never determined that either. E.g, nobody on earth has or ever will considered 2016, 2012, or 2011 as "split" championship years based on the results of one Kooky computer in the face of all the other organizations that chose the consensus champ. That is an absurd concept.

Nobody considers 1996 a "split" champion year either, even though one lonely NCAA-approved poll picked FSU over Florida. The whole concept is absurd.

"Split" championship has, for at least 50 years, meant only one thing: One of the two major human polls, AP or Coaches, picked team A while the other picked team B.

(08-28-2018 09:03 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I wonder if UCF's PR push will invite other teams/programs to declare themselves as a national champion. TCU (2010), Boise State (2009 and 2006), Utah (2008 and 2006), Marshall (1999) and Tulane (1998) could all - in theory - pull the same stunt and put up banners, flags and stadium engravings declaring the same recognition.

None of those others have a major selector picking them (Utah 2008 may be an exception).

(08-28-2018 09:46 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:03 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I wonder if UCF's PR push will invite other teams/programs to declare themselves as a national champion. TCU (2010), Boise State (2009 and 2006), Utah (2008 and 2006), Marshall (1999) and Tulane (1998) could all - in theory - pull the same stunt and put up banners, flags and stadium engravings declaring the same recognition.

Really, UCF's stunt has nothing to do with it. Anyone can claim anything they want, it's a free country in that respect. USF or Marquette could declare themselves 2010 national champions if we wanted to.

Like UCF, it would be ridiculous, but some schools have no shame.

Marquette Football has been undefeated for 57 years. I'll petition our athletic department to hang a banner.

Emory is undefeated in football and they have a T-shirt to prove it.

(08-28-2018 02:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 02:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 02:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 01:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's your editorial commentary. The bottom line is that the CFP factually is not an "outside force" as it is the creation of the ten FBS conferences and independents. That is what it is.

lol...its not editorial. Its a fact. The CFP is not part of the NCAA. We are talking about the NCAA Record Book, correct?

WTH? No, an outside force is a force that is not under the control of the entity that is engaged in the competition. An example would be if the NFL decided to let an AP vote decide its championship, because the AP is not the creation of nor under the control of the NFL.

In this case, the NCAA is the outside entity, because the conferences involved have rejected the NCAA as the arbiter of their football championship.

That makes the NCAA is a null and void determiner of FBS national champions, because the FBS schools have explicitly rejected the NCAA's role in that process. That's the entire reason the FBS exists.

The NCAA has no more legitimacy to determine who an FBS national champ is than the Pope has to determine who the Jewish Rabbi of Newark is.

Is this really so hard to understand?

And why is so hard for you to understand that the point of the discussion is the NCAA Record book? The key phrase here being[b] NCAA record book.

WTH? I've been discussing the NCAA record book the whole time.

The NCAA record book with regards to FBS national champions is a joke, because the FBS schools and conferences reject the NCAA as the arbiter of their national champion.

The NCAA is the "outsider" here, the CFP, which is in fact the creation of the 10 conferences and independents, is the insider. This is Obvious. I mean, if you can't see that, you are hopeless on this one.

Also, there is no "split" national champion as the NCAA record book has never determined that either. E.g, nobody on earth has or ever will considered 2016, 2012, or 2011 as "split" championship years based on the results of one Kooky computer in the face of all the other organizations that chose the consensus champ. That is an absurd concept.

Nobody considers 1996 a "split" champion year either, even though one lonely NCAA-approved poll picked FSU over Florida. The whole concept is absurd.

"Split" championship has, for at least 50 years, meant only one thing: One of the two major human polls, AP or Coaches, picked team A while the other picked team B.

CFP is the creation of ESPN, the Big 10 and SEC with some limited input from the ACC, Big 12 and Pac 12. The other 5 got bribed to accept it (as if they had a choice).

(08-28-2018 02:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 02:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 02:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 01:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's your editorial commentary. The bottom line is that the CFP factually is not an "outside force" as it is the creation of the ten FBS conferences and independents. That is what it is.

lol...its not editorial. Its a fact. The CFP is not part of the NCAA. We are talking about the NCAA Record Book, correct?

WTH? No, an outside force is a force that is not under the control of the entity that is engaged in the competition. An example would be if the NFL decided to let an AP vote decide its championship, because the AP is not the creation of nor under the control of the NFL.

In this case, the NCAA is the outside entity, because the conferences involved have rejected the NCAA as the arbiter of their football championship.

That makes the NCAA is a null and void determiner of FBS national champions, because the FBS schools have explicitly rejected the NCAA's role in that process. That's the entire reason the FBS exists.

The NCAA has no more legitimacy to determine who an FBS national champ is than the Pope has to determine who the Jewish Rabbi of Newark is.

Is this really so hard to understand?

And why is so hard for you to understand that the point of the discussion is the NCAA Record book? The key phrase here being NCAA record book.

WTH? I've been discussing the NCAA record book the whole time.

The NCAA record book with regards to FBS national champions is a joke, because the FBS schools and conferences reject the NCAA as the arbiter of their national champion.
[B]
The NCAA is the "outsider" here, the CFP, which is in fact the creation of the 10 conferences and independents, is the insider. This is Obvious. I mean, if you can't see that, you are hopeless on this one.

Also, there is no "split" national champion as the NCAA record book has never determined that either. E.g, nobody on earth has or ever will considered 2016, 2012, or 2011 as "split" championship years based on the results of one Kooky computer in the face of all the other organizations that chose the consensus champ. That is an absurd concept.

Nobody considers 1996 a "split" champion year either, even though one lonely NCAA-approved poll picked FSU over Florida. The whole concept is absurd.

"Split" championship has, for at least 50 years, meant only one thing: One of the two major human polls, AP or Coaches, picked team A while the other picked team B.

Tell me, if the cfp says a player is eligible and NCAA says they aren't do they play?

If the NCAA bans a team from playing in a bowl game, do they play?

Who keeps track of the FBS records? Who named it the FBS?

The CFP is a bowl alliance, nothing more. If any of the contract bowls want they can kill it with a single word.

Just for giggles who certifies those bowls?

Have a good day.

(08-28-2018 03:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:03 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I wonder if UCF's PR push will invite other teams/programs to declare themselves as a national champion. TCU (2010), Boise State (2009 and 2006), Utah (2008 and 2006), Marshall (1999) and Tulane (1998) could all - in theory - pull the same stunt and put up banners, flags and stadium engravings declaring the same recognition.

None of those others have a major selector picking them (Utah 2008 may be an exception).

An NCAA designated "major selector" has never been an accepted criterion for flying a championship banner. That's because (a) the NCAA has zero authority to pick FBS football champions, and (b) the culture of college football has been that schools claim titles for any reason they want.

Beyond that, the standard for the past 50 years for claiming a share of a title is the human polls: A split title is when the AP and coaches polls disagree, nothing else. Nobody cares what some random computer says.

In fact, there's plenty of evidence that even by the flimsy standards of claiming titles, NCAA major selector status is regarded as a joke. Here are some recent examples of teams that have been picked #1 by an NCAA designated 'major selector' but have not claimed their allegedly official NCAA national title:

1996 ..... FSU

2000 .... Miami

2002 .... USC

2003 .... Oklahoma

2008 .... Utah

2011 .... OK State

2012 .... Notre Dame

2016 .... Alabama

Many of these are blue-blood schools that claim every title they can, but they have never claimed these titles based on one NCAA designated 'major selector'. Because even they know that's totally bogus.