By the way, you Aresco haters better realize that without that G5 access bowl slot none of this might happen... and that was entirely Aresco. From that bowl access, to our great exposure that we collectively really made the most of, the man REALLY knows what he's doing. Can't wait to see the new TV/bowl deals.

(08-26-2018 04:33 PM)Bull Wrote:  Okay.. First, don't any of you insane Orlando folks take this comment the wrong way. I am an AAC fan almost as much as a USF fan, and I feel that way because of the collective way the P5 have tried to screw us over. I am GLAD that UCF claimed the NC, and I have always said that...

That said, what does this NCAA development mean for the 4 team Playoff???? So now you can become NC without even MAKING the playoff? (A very GOOD thing for the AAC)

UCF had an almost perfect storm of good luck in scheduling... they didn't make the playoff, but faced a top P5 team in a NY6 bowl that had beat BOTH playoff teams. Therefore, when they beat Auburn, they could very clearly make the case that they were the best team in the nation. That won't happen hardly ever. The two playoff teams are very unlikely to have many losses (by definition), and VERY rarely will they have lost to the same team. That was unbelievable lucky scheduling for UCF.

Bottom line, what happens if another AAC team goes undefeated, beats a top P5 in a NY (non NC) bowl... But does not get that scheduling good fortune? Is this precedent for that team to also claim an 'undefeated NC' season?

The problem is the 4 team playoff being exclusionary... and UCF just blew it up in their faces.

Make it 6 or 8 teams, the P5 champs and the top G5. But EVERYONE must have a pathway... or else the P5 should just separate. Separate but equal does NOT work.

I can't speak for the rest of the Orlando crazies, but I don't see anything wrong with your statement. To be fair, winning a national champion ALWAYS requires some luck, along with the skill. Be it scheduling, lucky game break, etc.... Moreso for a G-5 program. I agree the CFP has to expend to 8, with a top G5 slot, decoupled from any rankings. This past season is a perfect example of how stupid it gets when the ranking is the key factor. The P5 media will just rank you outside the requirment for the CFP.

I actually think the media is starting to sell the CFP expansion idea. Some more than others of course. ESPN will only relent under extreme pressure from the CFB world and its associated media outlets force them to.

(08-26-2018 04:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  By the way, you Aresco haters better realize that without that G5 access bowl slot none of this might happen... and that was entirely Aresco. From that bowl access, to our great exposure that we collectively really made the most of, the man REALLY knows what he's doing. Can't wait to see the new TV/bowl deals.

Aresco hasn't produced jack so far.

Until he gets us that sweet TV contract, he's still the overpaid putz who was too scared to talk up UCF's claim to the National Championship.

(08-26-2018 05:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  By the way, you Aresco haters better realize that without that G5 access bowl slot none of this might happen... and that was entirely Aresco. From that bowl access, to our great exposure that we collectively really made the most of, the man REALLY knows what he's doing. Can't wait to see the new TV/bowl deals.

Aresco hasn't produced jack so far.

Until he gets us that sweet TV contract, he's still the overpaid putz who was too scared to talk up UCF's claim to the National Championship.

You do not know how much the conference will get, but he is a overpaid putz.

(08-26-2018 05:55 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  By the way, you Aresco haters better realize that without that G5 access bowl slot none of this might happen... and that was entirely Aresco. From that bowl access, to our great exposure that we collectively really made the most of, the man REALLY knows what he's doing. Can't wait to see the new TV/bowl deals.

Aresco hasn't produced jack so far.

Until he gets us that sweet TV contract, he's still the overpaid putz who was too scared to talk up UCF's claim to the National Championship.

You do not know how much the conference will get, but he is a overpaid putz.

Up until now, yes. Time for him to put up or shut up. This future TV contract will prove his worth.

(08-26-2018 05:57 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:55 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  By the way, you Aresco haters better realize that without that G5 access bowl slot none of this might happen... and that was entirely Aresco. From that bowl access, to our great exposure that we collectively really made the most of, the man REALLY knows what he's doing. Can't wait to see the new TV/bowl deals.

Aresco hasn't produced jack so far.

Until he gets us that sweet TV contract, he's still the overpaid putz who was too scared to talk up UCF's claim to the National Championship.

You do not know how much the conference will get, but he is a overpaid putz.

Up until now, yes. Time for him to put up or shut up. This future TV contract will prove his worth.

This is what I do not understand. When could he have brought us a better deal?

(08-26-2018 06:10 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:57 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:55 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  By the way, you Aresco haters better realize that without that G5 access bowl slot none of this might happen... and that was entirely Aresco. From that bowl access, to our great exposure that we collectively really made the most of, the man REALLY knows what he's doing. Can't wait to see the new TV/bowl deals.

Aresco hasn't produced jack so far.

Until he gets us that sweet TV contract, he's still the overpaid putz who was too scared to talk up UCF's claim to the National Championship.

You do not know how much the conference will get, but he is a overpaid putz.

Up until now, yes. Time for him to put up or shut up. This future TV contract will prove his worth.

This is what I do not understand. When could he have brought us a better deal?

he is right the man had nothing to work with! we were a brand new conference. That most people thought wouldn't last. He was just trying to get us as much tv time as possible. Now, with that in mind, If he ***** the bed on the up and coming tv negotiations that is a different story, then, husky, you have every right to be upset lol.

(08-26-2018 06:10 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:57 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:55 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 04:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  By the way, you Aresco haters better realize that without that G5 access bowl slot none of this might happen... and that was entirely Aresco. From that bowl access, to our great exposure that we collectively really made the most of, the man REALLY knows what he's doing. Can't wait to see the new TV/bowl deals.

Aresco hasn't produced jack so far.

Until he gets us that sweet TV contract, he's still the overpaid putz who was too scared to talk up UCF's claim to the National Championship.

You do not know how much the conference will get, but he is a overpaid putz.

Up until now, yes. Time for him to put up or shut up. This future TV contract will prove his worth.

This is what I do not understand. When could he have brought us a better deal?

IMO his initial TV deal and his overall performance to date hasn't justified his $1.86 Mil paycheck (almost what each of our schools is making). I'm not saying he should be fired or anything, but I think we've overpaid by quite a bit. I'm hoping he changes my mind with the next TV contract.

(08-26-2018 06:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:10 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:57 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:55 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:   Aresco hasn't produced jack so far.

Until he gets us that sweet TV contract, he's still the overpaid putz who was too scared to talk up UCF's claim to the National Championship.

You do not know how much the conference will get, but he is a overpaid putz.

Up until now, yes. Time for him to put up or shut up. This future TV contract will prove his worth.

This is what I do not understand. When could he have brought us a better deal?

IMO his initial TV deal and his overall performance to date hasn't justified his $1.86 Mil paycheck (almost what each of our schools is making). I'm not saying he should be fired or anything, but I think we've overpaid by quite a bit. I'm hoping he changes my mind with the next TV contract.

Overpaying to use his knowledge of network negotiations. The initial deal was not something that was not of his making, after losing TCU and UL. If he does not get the conference at least 8, I would favor your opinion on letting him go.

One more thing to lord over the Gator fans in the office.

(08-26-2018 07:01 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:10 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:57 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:55 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  You do not know how much the conference will get, but he is a overpaid putz.

Up until now, yes. Time for him to put up or shut up. This future TV contract will prove his worth.

This is what I do not understand. When could he have brought us a better deal?

IMO his initial TV deal and his overall performance to date hasn't justified his $1.86 Mil paycheck (almost what each of our schools is making). I'm not saying he should be fired or anything, but I think we've overpaid by quite a bit. I'm hoping he changes my mind with the next TV contract.

Overpaying to use his knowledge of network negotiations. The initial deal was not something that was not of his making, after losing TCU and UL. If he does not get the conference at least 8, I would favor your opinion on letting him go.

I think we agree more than not. His worth is yet TBD. From what I've seen so far, I haven't been impressed, but we will certainly find out very soon if he was worth it.

(08-26-2018 01:44 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 11:00 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 03:52 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Yeah UCF now has a big fat target on its back in the AAC...

When did we not?

Uhhh... when you went 0-12?

You mean the year after back to back conference championships? No one wanted to beat us I bet. Shame we didn’t play Memphis, at least we’d have had one win.

(08-26-2018 06:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 06:10 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:57 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:55 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 05:08 PM)HuskyU Wrote:   Aresco hasn't produced jack so far.

Until he gets us that sweet TV contract, he's still the overpaid putz who was too scared to talk up UCF's claim to the National Championship.

You do not know how much the conference will get, but he is a overpaid putz.

Up until now, yes. Time for him to put up or shut up. This future TV contract will prove his worth.

This is what I do not understand. When could he have brought us a better deal?

IMO his initial TV deal and his overall performance to date hasn't justified his $1.86 Mil paycheck (almost what each of our schools is making). I'm not saying he should be fired or anything, but I think we've overpaid by quite a bit. I'm hoping he changes my mind with the next TV contract.

It was Aresco's doing that we got the G5 access slot. Any other commissioner wouldn't have had the balls to at least negotiate some access to a prestigious bowl. In fact, all the other G4 commissioners took a back seat. So without Aresco, we wouldn't be arguing about a guaranteed spot in the CFP, we would simply be wagging our tail at possibly getting a NY6 bowl. He literally put us ahead a decade.

(08-26-2018 07:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:44 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 11:00 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 03:52 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Yeah UCF now has a big fat target on its back in the AAC...

When did we not?

Uhhh... when you went 0-12?

You mean the year after back to back conference championships? No one wanted to beat us I bet. Shame we didn’t play Memphis, at least we’d have had one win.

In '15? Naw, that would not have happened... Look, jut face it. y'all are the bell of the ball right now, and deservedly so. But prior to last year, you were just another team in the top half of the conference. No better than Houston, Navy, or us.

(08-26-2018 11:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:44 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 11:00 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 03:52 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Yeah UCF now has a big fat target on its back in the AAC...

When did we not?

Uhhh... when you went 0-12?

You mean the year after back to back conference championships? No one wanted to beat us I bet. Shame we didn’t play Memphis, at least we’d have had one win.

In '15? Naw, that would not have happened... Look, jut face it. y'all are the bell of the ball right now, and deservedly so. But prior to last year, you were just another team in the top half of the conference. No better than Houston, Navy, or us.

Yes, but you lost to Iowa State in a bowl game on your home field, for shame. That doesn't really compare well to 3 titles in 5 years and two NY6 wins with Top 10 rankings.

(08-27-2018 02:42 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 11:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:44 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 11:00 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  When did we not?

Uhhh... when you went 0-12?

You mean the year after back to back conference championships? No one wanted to beat us I bet. Shame we didn’t play Memphis, at least we’d have had one win.

In '15? Naw, that would not have happened... Look, jut face it. y'all are the bell of the ball right now, and deservedly so. But prior to last year, you were just another team in the top half of the conference. No better than Houston, Navy, or us.

Yes, but you lost to Iowa State in a bowl game on your home field, for shame. That doesn't really compare well to 3 titles in 5 years and two NY6 wins with Top 10 rankings.

You know what Memphis has never done? Gone winless. UCF has done some nice things but stay humble.

(08-27-2018 03:12 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 02:42 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 11:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 07:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 01:44 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Uhhh... when you went 0-12?

You mean the year after back to back conference championships? No one wanted to beat us I bet. Shame we didn’t play Memphis, at least we’d have had one win.

In '15? Naw, that would not have happened... Look, jut face it. y'all are the bell of the ball right now, and deservedly so. But prior to last year, you were just another team in the top half of the conference. No better than Houston, Navy, or us.

Yes, but you lost to Iowa State in a bowl game on your home field, for shame. That doesn't really compare well to 3 titles in 5 years and two NY6 wins with Top 10 rankings.

You know what Memphis has never done? Gone winless. UCF has done some nice things but stay humble.

Respectfully, you know what else Memphis has never done? Gone undefeated. I’ll take the lowest of the lows to reach the highest of the highs, it makes it that much sweeter when you get there. Most UCF fans are humble, however, that doesn’t mean you or anyone else has to remind us we went winless when we’re celebrating being recognized as co-National Champions. We lived it!

https://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018...ional.html

"UCF, after all the pomp and circumstance, is a national champion."

It will be hard for this national championship scenario to happen again for an outsider. 1). Got to go undefeated 2). Got to have all others lose at least one game. 3). Winning cfp team needs to be the lowest by computer models. 4). For the extra computer ranking push to #1 you need to beat the team that beat the so called #1.

(08-26-2018 04:33 PM)Bull Wrote:  Okay.. First, don't any of you insane Orlando folks take this comment the wrong way. I am an AAC fan almost as much as a USF fan, and I feel that way because of the collective way the P5 have tried to screw us over. I am GLAD that UCF claimed the NC, and I have always said that...

That said, what does this NCAA development mean for the 4 team Playoff???? So now you can become NC without even MAKING the playoff? (A very GOOD thing for the AAC)

UCF had an almost perfect storm of good luck in scheduling... they didn't make the playoff, but faced a top P5 team in a NY6 bowl that had beat BOTH playoff teams. Therefore, when they beat Auburn, they could very clearly make the case that they were the best team in the nation. That won't happen hardly ever. The two playoff teams are very unlikely to have many losses (by definition), and VERY rarely will they have lost to the same team. That was unbelievable lucky scheduling for UCF.

Bottom line, what happens if another AAC team goes undefeated, beats a top P5 in a NY (non NC) bowl... But does not get that scheduling good fortune? Is this precedent for that team to also claim an 'undefeated NC' season?

The problem is the 4 team playoff being exclusionary... and UCF just blew it up in their faces.

Make it 6 or 8 teams, the P5 champs and the top G5. But EVERYONE must have a pathway... or else the P5 should just separate. Separate but equal does NOT work.

I think you're right we got insanely lucky getting to play a P5 team that TWO playoff teams including the eventual NC. I think thats what gave us the mathmatical edge in the Colley Matrix. I don't think this sets a precedent that any undefeated G5 team could be recognized as a NC. That team not only has to be undefeated, win a NY6 bowl but would also need to have similar, insane amount of lucky circumstances to be recognized.

I think UCF is the only "G5" team remotely capable of making the playoffs this year on their own merits because of the 2017 season noise bleeding into 2018 (which shouldn't matter, but it does). If UCF doesn't go undefeated this year, our temporary status will be lost and we'll have no more chance at the playoffs as any other G5 team. Not without the same perfect storm as 2017, anyway.

We got lucky. I think some form of playoff expansion is the only solution to give a fair pathway to NC for everyone. We may be in the record books but lets be honest, most will not view UCF's 2017 NC equally to Bama's.