(08-31-2018 03:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  "As the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation; the University of Houston may be a Group of 5 school - but it has Power 5 expectations."

Where exactly does that quote say "football only"...?

It doesn't, but most reasonable people would take that as read in a football preview article.

(08-31-2018 03:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  "As the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation; the University of Houston may be a Group of 5 school - but it has Power 5 expectations."

Where exactly does that quote say "football only"...?

the full context of the article clearly references football, talking about bowls and football expectations

maybe they meant everying including basketball but just value football more.. who knows but the article was addressing football

Football Only, I'd rank them:

1A. Navy
1B. Army
3. Boise
4. UCF
5. Houston

(08-31-2018 03:24 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 03:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  "As the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation; the University of Houston may be a Group of 5 school - but it has Power 5 expectations."

Where exactly does that quote say "football only"...?

It doesn't, but most reasonable people would take that as read in a football preview article.

I don't click on links when the article is quoted in the OP. Additionally, the SMU poster (doing his best impression of Todge) made it about other sports too.

I didn't realize this was purely a fan site. It was on Google News' front page with that specific headline, which I was shocked about.

Again, not saying Houston isn't one of the best non-P5 football programs at all. But the line I quoted - stated as fact and written verbatim on Google's news aggregation site - is (in my opinion) incorrect.

USFFan

We are the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation. It was on the internet. It has to be true.

(08-31-2018 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  “Firm Second in perception and brand”

Not counting navy (army/navy game) no g5 comes even remotely close to Houston in number of highly rated games.... The 3 highest rated games in C-usa history involved Houston.. the highest rated game in AAC history involves Houston..

UCF is coming off an undefeated season, and exciting offense with a hesiman candidate qb.. Houston was 7-5 with a dreadfully boring offense last season..
UCF has been picked for zero OTA games (fox/abc/NBC).. with a potential for 1 (USF/UCF)
Houston has been picked for 2 so far, with a potential for a 3rd (houston/Memphis)

Houston has had 2 sports illustrated covers in the last 5 years .. no other g5 has had 1

We are aware g5 conference titles has zero effect on relevancy

Oh WOW! How awesome that Houston is on ABC and Fox, thanks to playing a PAC12 and Big 12 team and occupying the non-primetime noon timeslot? Hilarious.

FAU vs Oklahoma is on Fox tomorrow. That's totally all about FAU right?

(08-31-2018 03:24 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 03:20 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  "As the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation; the University of Houston may be a Group of 5 school - but it has Power 5 expectations."

Where exactly does that quote say "football only"...?

It doesn't, but most reasonable people would take that as read in a football preview article.

he is right. everyone knows for basketball its

1aUConn
1bCincy
2.memphis
then everyone else depends of the year they are having. WSU is good but they are not a house hold basketball power. UH was but they still have a few year before they earn it back. UCF has chance to be something special. SMU had few good years, but still.

(08-31-2018 03:23 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 01:45 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 11:32 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 10:56 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I read it as UH expect to go to a NY6 Bowl game every year.

The expectations are high, year in and year out.

No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

USFFan

If they're talking about brand... Boise State is still king. I think UCF has moved into the #2 slot but Houston is indeed very relevant and probably #3.

Memphis is gonna throttle Houston again this year, so the Tigers should climb to no. 3. And I also think it's reasonable for Memphis to claim the no. 2 spot after this upcoming season's two wins over UCF

boise is still king. if boise was in ucf's positon last year. im confident that media would have been more supportive of them. But who are we kidding the real rankings are 1.ECU
2 nobody

Houston has 16 national championships in GOLF
Put that in your pipe and smoke it...

Ps: on a side note, yesterday Iam driving down the freeway here in Houston and I see a suburban with Connecticut license plate and a bunch of stickers on it, one says “ Iam not from Texas, but I got here as soon as I could”
Judging from the other stickers it’s clear he voted republican, smart man

(08-31-2018 04:20 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 03:23 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 01:45 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 11:32 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 11:00 AM)usffan Wrote:  No argument that they have high expectations, but "the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation" is a pretty ridiculous claim.

USFFan

If they're talking about brand... Boise State is still king. I think UCF has moved into the #2 slot but Houston is indeed very relevant and probably #3.

Memphis is gonna throttle Houston again this year, so the Tigers should climb to no. 3. And I also think it's reasonable for Memphis to claim the no. 2 spot after this upcoming season's two wins over UCF

boise is still king. if boise was in ucf's positon last year. im confident that media would have been more supportive of them. But who are we kidding the real rankings are 1.ECU
2 nobody

Houston has 16 national championships in GOLF
Put that in your pipe and smoke it...

Ps: on a side note, yesterday Iam driving down the freeway here in Houston and I see a suburban with Connecticut license plate and a bunch of stickers on it, one says “ Iam not from Texas, but I got here as soon as I could”
Judging from the other stickers it’s clear he voted republican, smart man

Probably couldn't handle the cold lol.

(08-31-2018 04:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  “Firm Second in perception and brand”

Not counting navy (army/navy game) no g5 comes even remotely close to Houston in number of highly rated games.... The 3 highest rated games in C-usa history involved Houston.. the highest rated game in AAC history involves Houston..

UCF is coming off an undefeated season, and exciting offense with a hesiman candidate qb.. Houston was 7-5 with a dreadfully boring offense last season..
UCF has been picked for zero OTA games (fox/abc/NBC).. with a potential for 1 (USF/UCF)
Houston has been picked for 2 so far, with a potential for a 3rd (houston/Memphis)

Houston has had 2 sports illustrated covers in the last 5 years .. no other g5 has had 1

We are aware g5 conference titles has zero effect on relevancy

Oh WOW! How awesome that Houston is on ABC and Fox, thanks to playing a PAC12 and Big 12 team and occupying the non-primetime noon timeslot? Hilarious.

FAU vs Oklahoma is on Fox tomorrow. That's totally all about FAU right?

Texas tech isn't projected to make a bowl..Texas tech has zero other ota games...
Do you really think Texas tech is the reason for the OTA??
You are denial if you say so. The broadcaster for the game talked about it on Twitter about it being a major deal for fox to get a game with Houston and Ed Oliver

So you are equating okahoma to Texas tech??? And Houston. To fau????
Again ratings don't lie.. when Houston wins we have an immense draw...

(08-31-2018 04:20 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Ps: on a side note, yesterday Iam driving down the freeway here in Houston and I see a suburban with Connecticut license plate and a bunch of stickers on it, one says “ Iam not from Texas, but I got here as soon as I could”

Judging from the other stickers it’s clear he voted republican, smart man

Maybe he just recently skipped bail in Hartford.

I’ll be at UofH, rice game
Go coogs

(08-31-2018 10:53 AM)usffan Wrote:  https://houston.sportsmap.com/university...ectations/

Quote:As the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation; the University of Houston may be a Group of 5 school - but it has Power 5 expectations.

I'd love to hear the argument or see the evidence for THAT statement.

USFFan

Sometimes fans say homer things. Sometimes schools do too.

(08-31-2018 05:04 PM)st932253 Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 10:53 AM)usffan Wrote:  https://houston.sportsmap.com/university...ectations/

Quote:As the most relevant non-Power 5 school in the nation; the University of Houston may be a Group of 5 school - but it has Power 5 expectations.

I'd love to hear the argument or see the evidence for THAT statement.

USFFan

Sometimes fans say homer things. Sometimes schools do too.

Indeed

(08-31-2018 04:52 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I’ll be at UofH, rice game
Go coogs

Hope you win.

(08-31-2018 11:50 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  I will be happy to explain.

Houston is the most relevant G5 school in the nation because it is Houston that has shown, both currently and for multiple generations, that they belong among the big boys of college athletics, in all sports, and yet have find themselves in the no-mans-land of G5 status. They aren't upstarts or never was's, they have been there and done that and continue to do it even while I'm typing this. Houston is the reminder to every P5 school that just because you have a history with a major conference you aren't guaranteed anything in the future.

I'm not going to take anything away from any other G5 school, and certainly not USF, or UCF, or, for that matter, BYU or Boise State, but Houston has competed for national championships regularly in football, baseball, basketball, track, and others before many on this board were born. USF, UCF, and Boise have competed for 20 years. BYU has done it for almost 40 now. Houston was competing and beating Auburn in bowls in the '50's. They have NBA, NFL, and MLB hall-of-famers, and Heisman trophy winners as alumni, Final fours, and every possible conceivable honors college and professional athletics have to offer, along with the Olympian of the 20th century in Carl Lewis as an alum standing, looking over their shoulders, back at the P5 saying "What have you accomplished?" AND they have the best player in college football this year, per multiple sources. MOST P5 PROGRAMS can't equal that combination, and - I'm sorry - with all due respect USF can't yet, either.

Why is this important? Because it hits at the heart of the 'they can't compete-they don't belong-they're upstarts who have to prove themselves' argument. You can't say that Houston is a flash-in-the-pan, something that USF and UCF still have to shake, fairly or not. You can't say that they are upstarts and have to prove something to 90% of the P5. You can't say that they don't have facilities, or money, or tradition, or relevance - not when they called the Astrodome home, or won the Cotton Bowl over a Tom Osborne coached Nebraska team almost 40 years ago (amongst others), or haven't contributed to the very nature of college football with Bill Yeoman's innovations - you can look those up. You can't say it's just because they got lucky with a coach - not when the Big XII has become reliant on them to provide them with winners.

Christ, even Barry Switzer has advocated to keep Houston out of the Big XII because they would hog all the Houston recruits. IF THEY ARE SCARED OF YOU THEN YOU ARE RELEVANT.

Houston had to fight for a team, fight their way into the SWC, fight their way into bowls (something tells me the Bluebonnet Bowl was created for them to have a chance, like the Fiesta was for Arizona State), and now they have to fight for respect despite consistently beating teams from every major conference since WW II. You can't make the argument that Houston has to prove themselves and if any one school has the right to ***** and complain about realignment it's probably - probably - Houston.

If there is one question I'd like to ask the P5 it would be "What did Houston do to kicked to the curb?" I understand why the majority of the programs found themselves on the outside looking in. I understand even why my own alma does - we, arguably, blew our chances by getting caught cheating.

But Houston didn't get caught (notice I say 'caught') and managed to perform for decades, and since they have both a current successful program and the history to back it up, they are the most relevant. So who did the Cougars piss off? What - low attendance? My god, if that gets you kicked to the curb there's a few more programs I'd like to see cut.

If USF, or UCF, or UConn, or Boise State can continue to compete for 70 years in ALL sports then you they will have the right to call themselves the most relevant.

E-mail me when that happens.

(08-31-2018 05:52 PM)H-Town Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 11:50 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  I will be happy to explain.

Houston is the most relevant G5 school in the nation because it is Houston that has shown, both currently and for multiple generations, that they belong among the big boys of college athletics, in all sports, and yet have find themselves in the no-mans-land of G5 status. They aren't upstarts or never was's, they have been there and done that and continue to do it even while I'm typing this. Houston is the reminder to every P5 school that just because you have a history with a major conference you aren't guaranteed anything in the future.

I'm not going to take anything away from any other G5 school, and certainly not USF, or UCF, or, for that matter, BYU or Boise State, but Houston has competed for national championships regularly in football, baseball, basketball, track, and others before many on this board were born. USF, UCF, and Boise have competed for 20 years. BYU has done it for almost 40 now. Houston was competing and beating Auburn in bowls in the '50's. They have NBA, NFL, and MLB hall-of-famers, and Heisman trophy winners as alumni, Final fours, and every possible conceivable honors college and professional athletics have to offer, along with the Olympian of the 20th century in Carl Lewis as an alum standing, looking over their shoulders, back at the P5 saying "What have you accomplished?" AND they have the best player in college football this year, per multiple sources. MOST P5 PROGRAMS can't equal that combination, and - I'm sorry - with all due respect USF can't yet, either.

Why is this important? Because it hits at the heart of the 'they can't compete-they don't belong-they're upstarts who have to prove themselves' argument. You can't say that Houston is a flash-in-the-pan, something that USF and UCF still have to shake, fairly or not. You can't say that they are upstarts and have to prove something to 90% of the P5. You can't say that they don't have facilities, or money, or tradition, or relevance - not when they called the Astrodome home, or won the Cotton Bowl over a Tom Osborne coached Nebraska team almost 40 years ago (amongst others), or haven't contributed to the very nature of college football with Bill Yeoman's innovations - you can look those up. You can't say it's just because they got lucky with a coach - not when the Big XII has become reliant on them to provide them with winners.

Christ, even Barry Switzer has advocated to keep Houston out of the Big XII because they would hog all the Houston recruits. IF THEY ARE SCARED OF YOU THEN YOU ARE RELEVANT.

Houston had to fight for a team, fight their way into the SWC, fight their way into bowls (something tells me the Bluebonnet Bowl was created for them to have a chance, like the Fiesta was for Arizona State), and now they have to fight for respect despite consistently beating teams from every major conference since WW II. You can't make the argument that Houston has to prove themselves and if any one school has the right to ***** and complain about realignment it's probably - probably - Houston.

If there is one question I'd like to ask the P5 it would be "What did Houston do to kicked to the curb?" I understand why the majority of the programs found themselves on the outside looking in. I understand even why my own alma does - we, arguably, blew our chances by getting caught cheating.

But Houston didn't get caught (notice I say 'caught') and managed to perform for decades, and since they have both a current successful program and the history to back it up, they are the most relevant. So who did the Cougars piss off? What - low attendance? My god, if that gets you kicked to the curb there's a few more programs I'd like to see cut.

If USF, or UCF, or UConn, or Boise State can continue to compete for 70 years in ALL sports then you they will have the right to call themselves the most relevant.

E-mail me when that happens.

Couldn't you at least have found a gif with Carl Lewis, or Hakeem Olajuwon, or even Andre Ware applauding instead of a Miami player?



USFFan

(08-31-2018 06:03 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 05:52 PM)H-Town Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 11:50 AM)SMUleopold Wrote:  I will be happy to explain.

Houston is the most relevant G5 school in the nation because it is Houston that has shown, both currently and for multiple generations, that they belong among the big boys of college athletics, in all sports, and yet have find themselves in the no-mans-land of G5 status. They aren't upstarts or never was's, they have been there and done that and continue to do it even while I'm typing this. Houston is the reminder to every P5 school that just because you have a history with a major conference you aren't guaranteed anything in the future.

I'm not going to take anything away from any other G5 school, and certainly not USF, or UCF, or, for that matter, BYU or Boise State, but Houston has competed for national championships regularly in football, baseball, basketball, track, and others before many on this board were born. USF, UCF, and Boise have competed for 20 years. BYU has done it for almost 40 now. Houston was competing and beating Auburn in bowls in the '50's. They have NBA, NFL, and MLB hall-of-famers, and Heisman trophy winners as alumni, Final fours, and every possible conceivable honors college and professional athletics have to offer, along with the Olympian of the 20th century in Carl Lewis as an alum standing, looking over their shoulders, back at the P5 saying "What have you accomplished?" AND they have the best player in college football this year, per multiple sources. MOST P5 PROGRAMS can't equal that combination, and - I'm sorry - with all due respect USF can't yet, either.

Why is this important? Because it hits at the heart of the 'they can't compete-they don't belong-they're upstarts who have to prove themselves' argument. You can't say that Houston is a flash-in-the-pan, something that USF and UCF still have to shake, fairly or not. You can't say that they are upstarts and have to prove something to 90% of the P5. You can't say that they don't have facilities, or money, or tradition, or relevance - not when they called the Astrodome home, or won the Cotton Bowl over a Tom Osborne coached Nebraska team almost 40 years ago (amongst others), or haven't contributed to the very nature of college football with Bill Yeoman's innovations - you can look those up. You can't say it's just because they got lucky with a coach - not when the Big XII has become reliant on them to provide them with winners.

Christ, even Barry Switzer has advocated to keep Houston out of the Big XII because they would hog all the Houston recruits. IF THEY ARE SCARED OF YOU THEN YOU ARE RELEVANT.

Houston had to fight for a team, fight their way into the SWC, fight their way into bowls (something tells me the Bluebonnet Bowl was created for them to have a chance, like the Fiesta was for Arizona State), and now they have to fight for respect despite consistently beating teams from every major conference since WW II. You can't make the argument that Houston has to prove themselves and if any one school has the right to ***** and complain about realignment it's probably - probably - Houston.

If there is one question I'd like to ask the P5 it would be "What did Houston do to kicked to the curb?" I understand why the majority of the programs found themselves on the outside looking in. I understand even why my own alma does - we, arguably, blew our chances by getting caught cheating.

But Houston didn't get caught (notice I say 'caught') and managed to perform for decades, and since they have both a current successful program and the history to back it up, they are the most relevant. So who did the Cougars piss off? What - low attendance? My god, if that gets you kicked to the curb there's a few more programs I'd like to see cut.

If USF, or UCF, or UConn, or Boise State can continue to compete for 70 years in ALL sports then you they will have the right to call themselves the most relevant.

E-mail me when that happens.

Couldn't you at least have found a gif with Carl Lewis, or Hakeem Olajuwon, or even Andre Ware applauding instead of a Miami player?



USFFan

(08-31-2018 04:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 04:04 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  “Firm Second in perception and brand”

Not counting navy (army/navy game) no g5 comes even remotely close to Houston in number of highly rated games.... The 3 highest rated games in C-usa history involved Houston.. the highest rated game in AAC history involves Houston..

UCF is coming off an undefeated season, and exciting offense with a hesiman candidate qb.. Houston was 7-5 with a dreadfully boring offense last season..
UCF has been picked for zero OTA games (fox/abc/NBC).. with a potential for 1 (USF/UCF)
Houston has been picked for 2 so far, with a potential for a 3rd (houston/Memphis)

Houston has had 2 sports illustrated covers in the last 5 years .. no other g5 has had 1

We are aware g5 conference titles has zero effect on relevancy

Oh WOW! How awesome that Houston is on ABC and Fox, thanks to playing a PAC12 and Big 12 team and occupying the non-primetime noon timeslot? Hilarious.

FAU vs Oklahoma is on Fox tomorrow. That's totally all about FAU right?

Texas tech isn't projected to make a bowl..Texas tech has zero other ota games...
Do you really think Texas tech is the reason for the OTA??
You are denial if you say so. The broadcaster for the game talked about it on Twitter about it being a major deal for fox to get a game with Houston and Ed Oliver

So you are equating okahoma to Texas tech??? And Houston. To fau????
Again ratings don't lie.. when Houston wins we have an immense draw...

LOL

The 2017 Peach Bowl TV ratings were up 28% over the 2015 Peach Bowl featuring Houston and FSU.

UCF/USF was the highest rated AAC game by pretty much 1000 miles.

Remember 2013? Houston played AT UCF, and yet the highest rated TV market was Orlando with a 4.3 and Houston didn't even register a 1. Not even a 1.

How big time