johnbragg
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RE: G5 Problems...
(09-08-2018 07:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (09-07-2018 06:22 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: (09-07-2018 06:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (09-07-2018 05:57 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: (09-07-2018 05:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: Cheering for a team is a subjective matter. Liking or disliking the fact a G5 alum cheers only for a P5 team is subjective. It’s neither right nor wrong - entirely preference. So why does it matter to anyone who or why someone else cheers for a particular school or doesn’t cheer for a particular school? Who cares? Arguing that is fruitless.
Do you recall if anyone at your high school was a diehard supporter of another high school, putting that high school over your high school in everything from athletics to academics?
There's a big difference: In most places**, nobody is a fan of a high school as a child. You don't think about high school until you go there.
In contrast, when it comes to college sports, you can get socialized into a fan base long before college age.
E.g., when I was attending USF in the 1980s, we had no football team, so if you went through the USF dorms at that time, you'd see more Florida, Miami, and FSU pennants and banners in people's rooms than USF banners. I bet these days many of those folks now do support our football team, but also still have allegiance to the football team of their youth too, and it wouldn't surprise me if the P5 allegiance comes first because it came first in their lives.
In my case regarding college hoops, I grew up in Washington DC and became a Georgetown fan at around age 11, long before I even knew USF existed, so when I matriculated at USF, of course I became a Bulls hoops fan, but since my allegiance to Georgetown was older, it was deeper, and so it's always been GU #1, USF #2 in hoops.
That's the way it is with a lot of people who grow up in a state with a dominant P5 and become a fan as a kid then attend a local G5, they aren't giving up their sports allegiance to the P5 because of that, it's not natural to do so.
** yeah I know, there are crazy-arse places in Texas, but still.
1.) I can understand if the athletic program didn't exist when they were a student.
2.) You're telling me the child doesn't learn to love their high school throughout middle school and elementary school and at their high school?
3.) Loving P5 U as a kid means they can't like G5 U too? They can't learn to like G5 U?
4.) I liked things when I was growing up that I don't like anymore. There's things I like now that I didn't like growing up that I do like now in addition to the things I like now.
Regarding (2), I'm saying I didn't even know for sure what high school I was going to until I actually went, so yes, typically most don't have any attachment to a high school until they go there.
Regarding (3), that's a silly inference to make from my other post, because I said that when you love a P5 as a kid and then attend a G5, you develop an attachment to the G5, and gave myself and USF hoops as an example.
It's just that often, and naturally, this G5 attachment isn't as strong as the older P5 attachment, as with me and Georgetown.
I am attached to USF hoops - i root for USF when we play anyone in the world, except Georgetown.
My mother went to St Johns. When I was a kid developing sports loyalties, the Gooden-Strawberry Mets, the Ewing-JAckson Knicks, the Jackson-Mullin Redmen and the Phil Simms-Lawrence Taylor Giants were my local teams, and were good (and weren't the Steinbrenner Yankees, who I could never side with).
That didn't mean I'd go to St John's (this was right before Guiliani's election, and I didn't want to go to college from mom and dad's house), especially when The George Washington University was offering me a full scholarship.
But GW athletics and St John's athletics are fundamentally different propositions. GW is basically an amateur operation, maybe with some corruption on the side, but it's a small time operation. The Smith Center is not MSG or even Carnessecca Arena. Rooting for St john's is like rooting for a pro team. I root for St Johns because I grew up rooting for St Johns, just like my kids in Dayton, Ohio root for the Giants because they grew up rooting for the Giants. I think P5 athletics is the same way.
that's true even though, looking at the NCAA tournament results, St John's hasn't actually done much better than GW since I left NYC to be a college freshman in 1991-92.
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