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(09-02-2018 03:10 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  UCF plays two P5s every year, which is more than all but a handful of G5 schools

Missed this before, but joining in with others who are calling BS.

Just as an example:

USF

2018 - Ga. Tech, Illinois
2016 - Syracuse, FSU
2015 - FSU, Maryland, Syracuse
2014 - Maryland, NC State, Wisconsin

Houston

2018 - Arizona, Texas Tech
2017 - Arizona, Texas Tech
2016 - Oklahoma, Louisville
2015 - Louisville, Vanderbilt

Yeah, there are years where there's only 1 interspersed (like last year, when UCF only played 1 Power 5 team), but most G5 schools try to find at least 2 P5 games in order to try to swing at least 1 home P5 game every year.

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(09-07-2018 12:15 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  A5 teams are increasingly afraid to schedule g5 teams AND A5 fans think they have a higher football IQ because their team makes more money than g5 teams

Not true, For instance, Texas Tech, has UH, Wyoming, North Texas, Colorado St as H/H's in the future.
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(09-07-2018 01:10 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 12:15 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  A5 teams are increasingly afraid to schedule g5 teams AND A5 fans think they have a higher football IQ because their team makes more money than g5 teams

Not true, For instance, Texas Tech, has UH, Wyoming, North Texas, Colorado St as H/H's in the future.
Yeah but those aren’t really A5 schools so ...
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(09-07-2018 02:31 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 01:10 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 12:15 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  A5 teams are increasingly afraid to schedule g5 teams AND A5 fans think they have a higher football IQ because their team makes more money than g5 teams

Not true, For instance, Texas Tech, has UH, Wyoming, North Texas, Colorado St as H/H's in the future.
Yeah but those aren’t really A5 schools so ...

In case you forgot, Texas Tech is a Power 5 school scheduling a couple OOC games against the G5. You said Power 5 schools are afraid of the G5 and that simply isn't true.
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With the WMU/UofM game tomorrow, we are discussing this on the WMU board.

My issue would be is if you cheered for the school P5 only, completely resenting your alma mater and any ties to the school printed on your diploma. My issue would be if you neglect going to your alma mater game in person because you'd rather see P5 U on TV beat up on another G5 school or a bottom P5 team like Kansas or Illinois.

I have been to UofM/WMU games at the Big House and Yost Ice Arena and have sat next to WMU alumni decked out in blue and yellow and they have gone bananas when UofM scored against WMU. It's sick. It's gross.

'I've cheered for them since I was little.' I think that's a bull**** excuse personally. You can't think for yourself? You don't change from a little kid thru graduating college? You love all the same things you did as a kid that you do now?

Go ahead and say 'I don't care for everything my employer does' but what these alumni do is completely trash EVERYTHING about their G5 alma mater, not just the athletics, but the academics too. If you really don't see any value in your G5 degree, get your ass to a community college and tell me your G5 degree doesn't mean anything.

Go ahead and tell those super-nice people at your P5 U that you also cheer for a G5 team. You'll get 'why the **** would you cheer for a Division II school?'

That being said, I can give the UGA fan announcer some slack because GA Southern was FCS when he was a student.
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(09-02-2018 12:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-02-2018 12:16 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(09-01-2018 01:35 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-01-2018 01:17 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(09-01-2018 10:45 AM)panama Wrote:  So so far on GameDay have watched them troll UCF and now have Luke Bryan come out as guest picker and say how big a CFB fan he is and how he follows recruiting "especially hopefully the players coming to the Bulldogs"

Mr. Bryan is a 1999 graduate of Georgia Southern University.

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You can't be a fan of another team because you went somewhere else? What's wrong with being a UGA fan if you went to Georgia Southern?
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I bet if someone from a west coast school relocated to Atlanta and wanted to support and become a Georgia St fan, you would accept them as a fan. Can’t have it both ways.


If they went to USC and wanted to b come a GSU fan and disown USC, I would never trust them...with anything.


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I agree Panama.

And that's the difference: G5 alumni don't just cheer for the P5 U, they completely disown their alma mater.
"My diploma isn't very good because I didn't graduate from a P5 school so I'm going to cheer for the P5 team."
"My alma mater's academics are as bad as their athletics so I'm going to cheer for the P5 team."

I've seen that. And I think it's gross.
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(09-07-2018 03:42 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 02:31 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 01:10 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 12:15 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  A5 teams are increasingly afraid to schedule g5 teams AND A5 fans think they have a higher football IQ because their team makes more money than g5 teams

Not true, For instance, Texas Tech, has UH, Wyoming, North Texas, Colorado St as H/H's in the future.
Yeah but those aren’t really A5 schools so ...

In case you forgot, Texas Tech is a Power 5 school scheduling a couple OOC games against the G5. You said Power 5 schools are afraid of the G5 and that simply isn't true.
you can’t handle the truth !
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(09-07-2018 04:16 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  With the WMU/UofM game tomorrow, we are discussing this on the WMU board.

My issue would be is if you cheered for the school P5 only, completely resenting your alma mater and any ties to the school printed on your diploma. My issue would be if you neglect going to your alma mater game in person because you'd rather see P5 U on TV beat up on another G5 school or a bottom P5 team like Kansas or Illinois.

I have been to UofM/WMU games at the Big House and Yost Ice Arena and have sat next to WMU alumni decked out in blue and yellow and they have gone bananas when UofM scored against WMU. It's sick. It's gross.

'I've cheered for them since I was little.' I think that's a bull**** excuse personally. You can't think for yourself? You don't change from a little kid thru graduating college? You love all the same things you did as a kid that you do now?

Go ahead and say 'I don't care for everything my employer does' but what these alumni do is completely trash EVERYTHING about their G5 alma mater, not just the athletics, but the academics too. If you really don't see any value in your G5 degree, get your ass to a community college and tell me your G5 degree doesn't mean anything.

Go ahead and tell those super-nice people at your P5 U that you also cheer for a G5 team. You'll get 'why the **** would you cheer for a Division II school?'

That being said, I can give the UGA fan announcer some slack because GA Southern was FCS when he was a student.
I get your point but maybe said indiividuals never had interest in WMU but that was their best option academically.
To your point, the entire state of Ohio (regardless of college attended) are Luckeyes fans.
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Cheering for a team is a subjective matter. Liking or disliking the fact a G5 alum cheers only for a P5 team is subjective. It’s neither right nor wrong - entirely preference. So why does it matter to anyone who or why someone else cheers for a particular school or doesn’t cheer for a particular school? Who cares? Arguing that is fruitless.
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(09-07-2018 05:02 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 04:16 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  With the WMU/UofM game tomorrow, we are discussing this on the WMU board.

My issue would be is if you cheered for the school P5 only, completely resenting your alma mater and any ties to the school printed on your diploma. My issue would be if you neglect going to your alma mater game in person because you'd rather see P5 U on TV beat up on another G5 school or a bottom P5 team like Kansas or Illinois.

I have been to UofM/WMU games at the Big House and Yost Ice Arena and have sat next to WMU alumni decked out in blue and yellow and they have gone bananas when UofM scored against WMU. It's sick. It's gross.

'I've cheered for them since I was little.' I think that's a bull**** excuse personally. You can't think for yourself? You don't change from a little kid thru graduating college? You love all the same things you did as a kid that you do now?

Go ahead and say 'I don't care for everything my employer does' but what these alumni do is completely trash EVERYTHING about their G5 alma mater, not just the athletics, but the academics too. If you really don't see any value in your G5 degree, get your ass to a community college and tell me your G5 degree doesn't mean anything.

Go ahead and tell those super-nice people at your P5 U that you also cheer for a G5 team. You'll get 'why the **** would you cheer for a Division II school?'

That being said, I can give the UGA fan announcer some slack because GA Southern was FCS when he was a student.
I get your point but maybe said indiividuals never had interest in WMU but that was their best option academically.
To your point, the entire state of Ohio (regardless of college attended) are Luckeyes fans.
1.) I don't think Said Individual should rant and rave about other academic options. I don't think I would've been able to get into Harvard, but I don't rant and rave about their academics.

2.) I think Said Individual should have put an effort into getting into their alma mater's athletics

3.) I think Said Individual should at least be a fan of BOTH teams. This is very possible and I'm not completely sure why people are so hostile to this idea. Their G5 alma mater plays their favorite P5 team, what, maybe once every few years?

4.) Honestly how could you not have any interest in your instuition that you spent 4+ years at? Okay, maybe you don't when you first set up on campus, but you spend a good part of your life there, growing and changing. It's just mind-boggling seeing these G5 alumni completely disown their alma mater. The experiences academically and socially. It's very strange.

Also, the entire state of Ohio does NOT cheer for Ohio St.
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(09-07-2018 05:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Cheering for a team is a subjective matter. Liking or disliking the fact a G5 alum cheers only for a P5 team is subjective. It’s neither right nor wrong - entirely preference. So why does it matter to anyone who or why someone else cheers for a particular school or doesn’t cheer for a particular school? Who cares? Arguing that is fruitless.
Do you recall if anyone at your high school was a diehard supporter of another high school, putting that high school over your high school in everything from athletics to academics?

And it's more than just the G5 alum cheering only for a P5 team. It's 'my alma mater isn't as good as the P5 school in general.' It's an entire attitude that's geared towards their alma mater's athletics AND academics. "My school sucks academically." Okay then leave. Not good enough academically for you? Get your ass to a community college. Show some pride.

I get it, not everyone's going to be a diehard G5 fan. Not everyone's going to be a supporter of a G5's athletics. But it's a very 'the grass would be greener if I wasn't here at this university.' "The grass would be greener if I had a degree from a different university.' Honestly, it's very off-putting and speaks a lot about these people's character.
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(09-07-2018 05:57 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 05:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Cheering for a team is a subjective matter. Liking or disliking the fact a G5 alum cheers only for a P5 team is subjective. It’s neither right nor wrong - entirely preference. So why does it matter to anyone who or why someone else cheers for a particular school or doesn’t cheer for a particular school? Who cares? Arguing that is fruitless.
Do you recall if anyone at your high school was a diehard supporter of another high school, putting that high school over your high school in everything from athletics to academics?

There's a big difference: In most places**, nobody is a fan of a high school as a child. You don't think about high school until you go there.

In contrast, when it comes to college sports, you can get socialized into a fan base long before college age.

E.g., when I was attending USF in the 1980s, we had no football team, so if you went through the USF dorms at that time, you'd see more Florida, Miami, and FSU pennants and banners in people's rooms than USF banners. I bet these days many of those folks now do support our football team, but also still have allegiance to the football team of their youth too, and it wouldn't surprise me if the P5 allegiance comes first because it came first in their lives.

In my case regarding college hoops, I grew up in Washington DC and became a Georgetown fan at around age 11, long before I even knew USF existed, so when I matriculated at USF, of course I became a Bulls hoops fan, but since my allegiance to Georgetown was older, it was deeper, and so it's always been GU #1, USF #2 in hoops.

That's the way it is with a lot of people who grow up in a state with a dominant P5 and become a fan as a kid then attend a local G5, they aren't giving up their sports allegiance to the P5 because of that, it's not natural to do so.

** yeah I know, there are crazy-arse places in Texas, but still.
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(09-07-2018 06:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 05:57 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 05:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Cheering for a team is a subjective matter. Liking or disliking the fact a G5 alum cheers only for a P5 team is subjective. It’s neither right nor wrong - entirely preference. So why does it matter to anyone who or why someone else cheers for a particular school or doesn’t cheer for a particular school? Who cares? Arguing that is fruitless.
Do you recall if anyone at your high school was a diehard supporter of another high school, putting that high school over your high school in everything from athletics to academics?

There's a big difference: In most places**, nobody is a fan of a high school as a child. You don't think about high school until you go there.

In contrast, when it comes to college sports, you can get socialized into a fan base long before college age.

E.g., when I was attending USF in the 1980s, we had no football team, so if you went through the USF dorms at that time, you'd see more Florida, Miami, and FSU pennants and banners in people's rooms than USF banners. I bet these days many of those folks now do support our football team, but also still have allegiance to the football team of their youth too, and it wouldn't surprise me if the P5 allegiance comes first because it came first in their lives.

In my case regarding college hoops, I grew up in Washington DC and became a Georgetown fan at around age 11, long before I even knew USF existed, so when I matriculated at USF, of course I became a Bulls hoops fan, but since my allegiance to Georgetown was older, it was deeper, and so it's always been GU #1, USF #2 in hoops.

That's the way it is with a lot of people who grow up in a state with a dominant P5 and become a fan as a kid then attend a local G5, they aren't giving up their sports allegiance to the P5 because of that, it's not natural to do so.

** yeah I know, there are crazy-arse places in Texas, but still.

1.) I can understand if the athletic program didn't exist when they were a student.

2.) You're telling me the child doesn't learn to love their high school throughout middle school and elementary school and at their high school?

3.) Loving P5 U as a kid means they can't like G5 U too? They can't learn to like G5 U?

4.) I liked things when I was growing up that I don't like anymore. There's things I like now that I didn't like growing up that I do like now in addition to the things I like now.
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(09-07-2018 06:22 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 06:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 05:57 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 05:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Cheering for a team is a subjective matter. Liking or disliking the fact a G5 alum cheers only for a P5 team is subjective. It’s neither right nor wrong - entirely preference. So why does it matter to anyone who or why someone else cheers for a particular school or doesn’t cheer for a particular school? Who cares? Arguing that is fruitless.
Do you recall if anyone at your high school was a diehard supporter of another high school, putting that high school over your high school in everything from athletics to academics?

There's a big difference: In most places**, nobody is a fan of a high school as a child. You don't think about high school until you go there.

In contrast, when it comes to college sports, you can get socialized into a fan base long before college age.

E.g., when I was attending USF in the 1980s, we had no football team, so if you went through the USF dorms at that time, you'd see more Florida, Miami, and FSU pennants and banners in people's rooms than USF banners. I bet these days many of those folks now do support our football team, but also still have allegiance to the football team of their youth too, and it wouldn't surprise me if the P5 allegiance comes first because it came first in their lives.

In my case regarding college hoops, I grew up in Washington DC and became a Georgetown fan at around age 11, long before I even knew USF existed, so when I matriculated at USF, of course I became a Bulls hoops fan, but since my allegiance to Georgetown was older, it was deeper, and so it's always been GU #1, USF #2 in hoops.

That's the way it is with a lot of people who grow up in a state with a dominant P5 and become a fan as a kid then attend a local G5, they aren't giving up their sports allegiance to the P5 because of that, it's not natural to do so.

** yeah I know, there are crazy-arse places in Texas, but still.

1.) I can understand if the athletic program didn't exist when they were a student.

2.) You're telling me the child doesn't learn to love their high school throughout middle school and elementary school and at their high school?

3.) Loving P5 U as a kid means they can't like G5 U too? They can't learn to like G5 U?

4.) I liked things when I was growing up that I don't like anymore. There's things I like now that I didn't like growing up that I do like now in addition to the things I like now.

HS was not ingrained from elementary school where I grew up. Redistricting was so common that between kindergarten and the beginning of high school your house could be rezoned to four different high schools.

It is entirely possible for people to like things in adulthood that they liked when they were children. Of course they can like new things, but that doesn’t mean they have to give up what they like before.
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(09-07-2018 04:48 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 03:42 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 02:31 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 01:10 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 12:15 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  A5 teams are increasingly afraid to schedule g5 teams AND A5 fans think they have a higher football IQ because their team makes more money than g5 teams

Not true, For instance, Texas Tech, has UH, Wyoming, North Texas, Colorado St as H/H's in the future.
Yeah but those aren’t really A5 schools so ...

In case you forgot, Texas Tech is a Power 5 school scheduling a couple OOC games against the G5. You said Power 5 schools are afraid of the G5 and that simply isn't true.
you can’t handle the truth !

I can handle the fact/truth that Tech is a Power 5 school.
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(09-07-2018 06:22 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 06:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 05:57 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 05:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Cheering for a team is a subjective matter. Liking or disliking the fact a G5 alum cheers only for a P5 team is subjective. It’s neither right nor wrong - entirely preference. So why does it matter to anyone who or why someone else cheers for a particular school or doesn’t cheer for a particular school? Who cares? Arguing that is fruitless.
Do you recall if anyone at your high school was a diehard supporter of another high school, putting that high school over your high school in everything from athletics to academics?

There's a big difference: In most places**, nobody is a fan of a high school as a child. You don't think about high school until you go there.

In contrast, when it comes to college sports, you can get socialized into a fan base long before college age.

E.g., when I was attending USF in the 1980s, we had no football team, so if you went through the USF dorms at that time, you'd see more Florida, Miami, and FSU pennants and banners in people's rooms than USF banners. I bet these days many of those folks now do support our football team, but also still have allegiance to the football team of their youth too, and it wouldn't surprise me if the P5 allegiance comes first because it came first in their lives.

In my case regarding college hoops, I grew up in Washington DC and became a Georgetown fan at around age 11, long before I even knew USF existed, so when I matriculated at USF, of course I became a Bulls hoops fan, but since my allegiance to Georgetown was older, it was deeper, and so it's always been GU #1, USF #2 in hoops.

That's the way it is with a lot of people who grow up in a state with a dominant P5 and become a fan as a kid then attend a local G5, they aren't giving up their sports allegiance to the P5 because of that, it's not natural to do so.

** yeah I know, there are crazy-arse places in Texas, but still.

1.) I can understand if the athletic program didn't exist when they were a student.

2.) You're telling me the child doesn't learn to love their high school throughout middle school and elementary school and at their high school?

3.) Loving P5 U as a kid means they can't like G5 U too? They can't learn to like G5 U?

4.) I liked things when I was growing up that I don't like anymore. There's things I like now that I didn't like growing up that I do like now in addition to the things I like now.

Regarding (2), I'm saying I didn't even know for sure what high school I was going to until I actually went, so yes, typically most don't have any attachment to a high school until they go there.

Regarding (3), that's a silly inference to make from my other post, because I said that when you love a P5 as a kid and then attend a G5, you develop an attachment to the G5, and gave myself and USF hoops as an example.

It's just that often, and naturally, this G5 attachment isn't as strong as the older P5 attachment, as with me and Georgetown.

I am attached to USF hoops - i root for USF when we play anyone in the world, except Georgetown.
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(09-08-2018 07:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 06:22 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 06:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 05:57 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(09-07-2018 05:39 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Cheering for a team is a subjective matter. Liking or disliking the fact a G5 alum cheers only for a P5 team is subjective. It’s neither right nor wrong - entirely preference. So why does it matter to anyone who or why someone else cheers for a particular school or doesn’t cheer for a particular school? Who cares? Arguing that is fruitless.
Do you recall if anyone at your high school was a diehard supporter of another high school, putting that high school over your high school in everything from athletics to academics?

There's a big difference: In most places**, nobody is a fan of a high school as a child. You don't think about high school until you go there.

In contrast, when it comes to college sports, you can get socialized into a fan base long before college age.

E.g., when I was attending USF in the 1980s, we had no football team, so if you went through the USF dorms at that time, you'd see more Florida, Miami, and FSU pennants and banners in people's rooms than USF banners. I bet these days many of those folks now do support our football team, but also still have allegiance to the football team of their youth too, and it wouldn't surprise me if the P5 allegiance comes first because it came first in their lives.

In my case regarding college hoops, I grew up in Washington DC and became a Georgetown fan at around age 11, long before I even knew USF existed, so when I matriculated at USF, of course I became a Bulls hoops fan, but since my allegiance to Georgetown was older, it was deeper, and so it's always been GU #1, USF #2 in hoops.

That's the way it is with a lot of people who grow up in a state with a dominant P5 and become a fan as a kid then attend a local G5, they aren't giving up their sports allegiance to the P5 because of that, it's not natural to do so.

** yeah I know, there are crazy-arse places in Texas, but still.

1.) I can understand if the athletic program didn't exist when they were a student.

2.) You're telling me the child doesn't learn to love their high school throughout middle school and elementary school and at their high school?

3.) Loving P5 U as a kid means they can't like G5 U too? They can't learn to like G5 U?

4.) I liked things when I was growing up that I don't like anymore. There's things I like now that I didn't like growing up that I do like now in addition to the things I like now.

Regarding (2), I'm saying I didn't even know for sure what high school I was going to until I actually went, so yes, typically most don't have any attachment to a high school until they go there.

Regarding (3), that's a silly inference to make from my other post, because I said that when you love a P5 as a kid and then attend a G5, you develop an attachment to the G5, and gave myself and USF hoops as an example.

It's just that often, and naturally, this G5 attachment isn't as strong as the older P5 attachment, as with me and Georgetown.

I am attached to USF hoops - i root for USF when we play anyone in the world, except Georgetown.

My mother went to St Johns. When I was a kid developing sports loyalties, the Gooden-Strawberry Mets, the Ewing-JAckson Knicks, the Jackson-Mullin Redmen and the Phil Simms-Lawrence Taylor Giants were my local teams, and were good (and weren't the Steinbrenner Yankees, who I could never side with).

That didn't mean I'd go to St John's (this was right before Guiliani's election, and I didn't want to go to college from mom and dad's house), especially when The George Washington University was offering me a full scholarship.

But GW athletics and St John's athletics are fundamentally different propositions. GW is basically an amateur operation, maybe with some corruption on the side, but it's a small time operation. The Smith Center is not MSG or even Carnessecca Arena. Rooting for St john's is like rooting for a pro team. I root for St Johns because I grew up rooting for St Johns, just like my kids in Dayton, Ohio root for the Giants because they grew up rooting for the Giants. I think P5 athletics is the same way.

that's true even though, looking at the NCAA tournament results, St John's hasn't actually done much better than GW since I left NYC to be a college freshman in 1991-92.
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