(09-02-2018 12:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 08:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:25 AM)JRsec Wrote:  1. The ranking of 5 Big 10 teams looks suspect. Ohio State and Wisconsin are fine. But Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State may be over ranked.

2. Texas! Another year, another coach, same result.

3. Oklahoma! Another year, another QB, same result.

4. Just how deep is Alabama?

5. Once again Auburn looked exactly like they did in the last two opening games with Clemson. We won today only because Washington is not Clemson.

Agree with all of these assessments except #1, to me it's just too early to tell about those B1G teams.

The thing I most agree with is how impressive Alabama looked. They looked in mid-season form, and if anything look even more talented than the teams that have played in 3 straight national title games.

I agree UL isn't as bad as they looked, the problem is Alabama is just relentless and it gets worse as the game goes on. Their guys can make plays that you don't think they can make, you see the value of 5* talent when you watch them.

No, it's not. Of the three Michigan is likely going to be the most competitive. Neither Michigan State nor Penn State played down to the competition. Both gave up a lot of points. I do think Appalachian State was very good, but not Big 10 very good, not SEC very good, and not Big 12 very good, which doesn't put either Penn State or Michigan State in the top 15, and I did say they were over ranked.

And the Big 12 and Pac 12 are not ACC good. So I don't know why you left us out.

(09-02-2018 11:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 08:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  One other thing:

Apparently, there are new blocking rules implemented for player safety that have the effect of curtailing some of the blocking strategies used by the triple-option teams.

Maybe it was just coincidence, but neither Army nor Navy ran the ball as effectively as they typically do. This could mean that these teams, especially Navy, just won't be as good as we have come to expect them to be.

Navy had 326 rushing yards, versus 351 rypg last year. 5 of 6 TDs came on the ground, and 41 points was above last years ppg avg.
May be a bit premature to discuss the demise of Navys running game.

I watched the game too, and many of those were garbage yards. Navy's run game didn't do anything until Hawaii was ahead by some ridiculous amount, like 28-0 or something.

Yes, it might be premature, everything is premature after game one, but it is something to consider.

(09-02-2018 12:25 AM)JRsec Wrote:  1. The ranking of 5 Big 10 teams looks suspect. Ohio State and Wisconsin are fine. But Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State may be over ranked.

2. Texas! Another year, another coach, same result.

3. Oklahoma! Another year, another QB, same result.

4. Just how deep is Alabama?

5. Once again Auburn looked exactly like they did in the last two opening games with Clemson. We won today only because Washington is not Clemson. I don't think Auburn is a #9 or Washington a #6. We were ranked based on last season and the network's need to hype games. I'd feel comfortable around #15 for now. Not enough punch at RB to consistently penetrate the D line in the red zone.

6. Louisville's not as bad as they looked.

7. The only thing that stuck out for UCLA was Chip Kelly's belly, alot!

8. Notre Dame is better than their score with Michigan tonight. Michigan is worse than their score.

9. Northwestern's going to be a tough out every week.

10. Georgia's going to be good again.

11. If I had to hazard an early CFP guess it would be the Alabama/Georgia winner, Clemson, the winner of Oklahoma/West Virginia provided they have 1 loss or fewer, and Ohio State. Why? Depth.

12. I wish the danged officials could figure out what is targeting and what is not, and even more I wish the damned announcers who haven't read the rules about it would quit inventing new reasons for it to be called.

IMO, if a QB runs beyond the line of scrimmage and tries to slide down, if the defensive player commits to the tackle before the QB goes down there should be no targeting even if the helmets bump. Launching to hit a defenseless player ought to be called every time. But when a tall DB has to lower his height to stop a shorter ball carrier I don't think it's fair to tag him for targeting because he dipped his head. What the heck is he supposed to do?

Well, list your takeaways and argue all you would like with mine.

bama absolutely slaughtered usc back in 2016 52-17...but usc still won the rose bowl that year. So Cards still have a chance turn things around. People expect bama to crush everyone, no matter the opponent..

(09-02-2018 06:36 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:25 AM)JRsec Wrote:  1. The ranking of 5 Big 10 teams looks suspect. Ohio State and Wisconsin are fine. But Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State may be over ranked.

2. Texas! Another year, another coach, same result.

3. Oklahoma! Another year, another QB, same result.

4. Just how deep is Alabama?

5. Once again Auburn looked exactly like they did in the last two opening games with Clemson. We won today only because Washington is not Clemson. I don't think Auburn is a #9 or Washington a #6. We were ranked based on last season and the network's need to hype games. I'd feel comfortable around #15 for now. Not enough punch at RB to consistently penetrate the D line in the red zone.

6. Louisville's not as bad as they looked.

7. The only thing that stuck out for UCLA was Chip Kelly's belly, alot!

8. Notre Dame is better than their score with Michigan tonight. Michigan is worse than their score.

9. Northwestern's going to be a tough out every week.

10. Georgia's going to be good again.

11. If I had to hazard an early CFP guess it would be the Alabama/Georgia winner, Clemson, the winner of Oklahoma/West Virginia provided they have 1 loss or fewer, and Ohio State. Why? Depth.

12. I wish the danged officials could figure out what is targeting and what is not, and even more I wish the damned announcers who haven't read the rules about it would quit inventing new reasons for it to be called.

IMO, if a QB runs beyond the line of scrimmage and tries to slide down, if the defensive player commits to the tackle before the QB goes down there should be no targeting even if the helmets bump. Launching to hit a defenseless player ought to be called every time. But when a tall DB has to lower his height to stop a shorter ball carrier I don't think it's fair to tag him for targeting because he dipped his head. What the heck is he supposed to do?

Well, list your takeaways and argue all you would like with mine.

bama absolutely slaughtered usc back in 2016 52-17...but usc still won the rose bowl that year. So Cards still have a chance turn things around. People expect bama to crush everyone, no matter the opponent..

Also, teams don't necessarily stand still, they can get better (or worse). E.g, had Alabama and USC played in a bowl game, Alabama still would have won, but I doubt it would have been by 35 points - USC became a better football team as the season progressed.

UL could very well get better. That QB of theirs, "Pass", is a big strong talented kid. He was just thrown in to the deep end of the pool yesterday for his very first start.

(09-02-2018 06:20 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 08:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 12:25 AM)JRsec Wrote:  1. The ranking of 5 Big 10 teams looks suspect. Ohio State and Wisconsin are fine. But Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State may be over ranked.

2. Texas! Another year, another coach, same result.

3. Oklahoma! Another year, another QB, same result.

4. Just how deep is Alabama?

5. Once again Auburn looked exactly like they did in the last two opening games with Clemson. We won today only because Washington is not Clemson.

Agree with all of these assessments except #1, to me it's just too early to tell about those B1G teams.

The thing I most agree with is how impressive Alabama looked. They looked in mid-season form, and if anything look even more talented than the teams that have played in 3 straight national title games.

I agree UL isn't as bad as they looked, the problem is Alabama is just relentless and it gets worse as the game goes on. Their guys can make plays that you don't think they can make, you see the value of 5* talent when you watch them.

No, it's not. Of the three Michigan is likely going to be the most competitive. Neither Michigan State nor Penn State played down to the competition. Both gave up a lot of points. I do think Appalachian State was very good, but not Big 10 very good, not SEC very good, and not Big 12 very good, which doesn't put either Penn State or Michigan State in the top 15, and I did say they were over ranked.

And the Big 12 and Pac 12 are not ACC good. So I don't know why you left us out.

You’re right - the BXII is often better.

(09-02-2018 04:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Dan Wetzel wins Tweet of the Week for this one from Saturday night:

Quote:Dan Wetzel
‏@DanWetzel

Mack Brown Appreciation Day. Phil Fulmer Appreciation Day. Lloyd Carr Appreciation Day.

8:04 PM - 1 Sep 2018

I would add Les Miles Appreciation Day to that lineup.

Long season along the Rio Grande

UNM 1-0 but struggled early against a bad Incarnate Word team
NMSU 0-2 non competitive against Wyoming and Minnesota
UTEP 0-1 lost at home to NAU, by 20 points, at home.

(09-02-2018 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 04:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Dan Wetzel wins Tweet of the Week for this one from Saturday night:

Quote:Dan Wetzel
‏@DanWetzel

Mack Brown Appreciation Day. Phil Fulmer Appreciation Day. Lloyd Carr Appreciation Day.

8:04 PM - 1 Sep 2018

I would add Les Miles Appreciation Day to that lineup.

LSU 27 Miami 3

Auburn > Washington
LSU > Miami
Alabama > Louisville
Ole Miss > Texas Tech

SEC 4-1 in P5 games with only doormat Tennessee losing to WVU.

The top 5 teams in the country are in the SEC. 3 are in the west.

The rest is made for tv media market fiction

(09-02-2018 02:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Can't be much joy in the state of Kansas except perverse joy. Kansas fans wanting rid of Beatty probably now have that locked up after the OT loss to an FCS and K-State dodged their own trip to OT so probably some joy they didn't lose to an FCS like Kansas.

Pretty good weekend in Ohio. Cincinnati wins at UCLA, Ohio State thrashes Oregon State, Akron avoids being Scott Frost's possible first victim at Nebraska, Toledo gets a breather vs VMI, Ohio holds off Howard's attempt to get FBS wins in consecutive seasons, Miami falls to Marshall with a statistical oddity. Miami out-gained Marshall by one yard. Kent rained on the parade falling to the Illini in a tight game, and BGSU doesn't want to talk about it.

After two games Hawaii is averaging 51 points per game and they've not faced an FCS.

The post-Chad Morris era at SMU doesn't look pleasant so far. They "beat" North Texas 23-10 in the fourth quarter but UNT won the first three quarters 36-0.

If the Benjamin Buttons coaching career of Lane Kiffin ever ends, get the guy on Game Day. He called it on the Dan Patrick show that OU would blow them out. Although apparently the FAU Alumni Association didn't get the message sending a text out touting FAU's win over OU as a reason to donate. To be fair, the game was tied for 7:20

UNT's 3rd string players were out there in the 4th quarter against SMU's 1st team offense. Littrell and Dykes are friends. We didn't have to let them score in the 4th. Anyone that watched the first 3 quarters knows this.

(09-02-2018 08:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 04:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Dan Wetzel wins Tweet of the Week for this one from Saturday night:

Quote:Dan Wetzel
‏@DanWetzel

Mack Brown Appreciation Day. Phil Fulmer Appreciation Day. Lloyd Carr Appreciation Day.

8:04 PM - 1 Sep 2018

I would add Les Miles Appreciation Day to that lineup.

LSU 27 Miami 3

That's turned into 33-17 with two quick 4th qtr touchdowns because Ed doesn't know how to finish a game by running out the clock. Here's where L.S.U. has a coaching deficiency. With 8 minutes plus to go what should have been locked down is now again in doubt. That's coaching because it is clock management and offensive play calling.

(09-02-2018 09:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 08:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 07:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 04:11 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Dan Wetzel wins Tweet of the Week for this one from Saturday night:

Quote:Dan Wetzel
‏@DanWetzel

Mack Brown Appreciation Day. Phil Fulmer Appreciation Day. Lloyd Carr Appreciation Day.

8:04 PM - 1 Sep 2018

I would add Les Miles Appreciation Day to that lineup.

LSU 27 Miami 3

That's turned into 33-17 with two quick 4th qtr touchdowns because Ed doesn't know how to finish a game by running out the clock. Here's where L.S.U. has a coaching deficiency. With 8 minutes plus to go what should have been locked down is now again in doubt. That's coaching because it is clock management and offensive play calling.

Well, it ended 33-17.

No, nobody is ever going to confuse Ed Orgeron with Nick Saban. But in fairness, it's not uncommon for even very good teams with big leads to surrender some of that lead when playing other good teams.

Overall, not much to complain about.

(09-02-2018 09:12 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The top 5 teams in the country are in the SEC. 3 are in the west.

The rest is made for tv media market fiction

Wow, you came to this conclusion after 1 full week of football? That's impressive!

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So it looks like the 4 playoff teams are 3 SEC teams and Ohio st!, wow y’alls committee led playoffs are soooooo ......hmmm, I don’t know, great?

(09-03-2018 03:31 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  So it looks like the 4 playoff teams are 3 SEC teams and Ohio st!, wow y’alls committee led playoffs are soooooo ......hmmm, I don’t know, great?

No it won't be. Whether the SEC gets a 2nd in this year will depend upon two things. How well does Washington play in the PAC. If they win out with a close loss to what will likely be a 3rd to 5th place finish by Auburn will only strengthen their resume. If Washington wins the PAC with two losses it leaves wiggle room.

But, this year the ACC is off to a flying thud. They have on any given year 5 solid to very strong football teams: Clemson, F.S.U., Virginia Tech, Louisville, and Miami. Sometimes Georgia Tech will surprise folks.

Well this year Miami and Louisville have already sustained a couple of bad losses with regard to standing. They could overcome it, but the ACC always does some beating up on each other so 2nd losses now are likely for both somewhere down the line.

Complicating the ACC's position is that Florida State opens with Virginia Tech tonight so 1 more will likely have a loss. Let's assume that for the sake of argument that Tech loses tonight. If so F.S.U. still has Clemson to play and a much more respectable Florida team. If F.S.U. loses tonight then the SOS of the ACC will drop significantly because they always carry higher expectations in the eye of the nation. That could come into play if say Clemson has a loss somewhere during the year.

If the unthinkable should happen and Jimbo's Aggies upset Clemson next week and Florida State loses, unless Virginia Tech runs the table the ACC with a much lower S.O.S. due to their brands all losing would have a tough time sneaking a 1 loss school in unless that one loss school is Clemson.

Something like that will have to happen this year for the SEC or Big 10 to get two in.

Then there is another obstacle. I think both the Big 10 and SEC will have very strong middles this year. So 2 losses for schools that might have had only 1 is more likely. Alabama looks the part of an unbeaten right now and injuries withstanding they have to be a favorite. Whether Georgia can navigate their schedule without a loss in the East and get to Atlanta unbeaten will determine whether or not the SEC has anyone challenge for a second spot.

Penn State, Michigan State, and Michigan are going to beat up on each other and none of them look like serious challenges to the Buckeyes. If Wisconsin can get by Iowa and Nebraska to get to the Big 10 championship game against Ohio State unbeaten then the Big 10 could also lay claim to a 2nd slot should the PAC and the ACC wind up looking less competitive this year.

So I think it's going to be an interesting year.

If Oklahoma or WVU runs the table there will be your 3rd entrant.

But if I had to guess I'd say that OU and Clemson make it back where they could likely face Alabama/Georgia and the Big 10's Ohio State/Wisconsin.

(09-03-2018 04:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Then there is another obstacle. I think both the Big 10 and SEC will have very strong middles this year. So 2 losses for schools that might have had only 1 is more likely.

That's the biggest factor, especially because the committee has never put a 2-loss team in the playoff. One strong team at the top and a soft middle is always going to be the best formula for making this playoff.

(09-03-2018 03:31 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  So it looks like the 4 playoff teams are 3 SEC teams and Ohio st!, wow y’alls committee led playoffs are soooooo ......hmmm, I don’t know, great?

That's pretty silly. Clemson and Oklahoma are going to cruise in to the playoffs.

The only way the SEC gets two in the playoffs is if, like last year, the B1G champ has two losses, and I bet this year they don't.

Most likely playoffs at this point:

Oklahoma
Clemson
SEC rep
B1G rep

(09-02-2018 09:30 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 02:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Can't be much joy in the state of Kansas except perverse joy. Kansas fans wanting rid of Beatty probably now have that locked up after the OT loss to an FCS and K-State dodged their own trip to OT so probably some joy they didn't lose to an FCS like Kansas.

Pretty good weekend in Ohio. Cincinnati wins at UCLA, Ohio State thrashes Oregon State, Akron avoids being Scott Frost's possible first victim at Nebraska, Toledo gets a breather vs VMI, Ohio holds off Howard's attempt to get FBS wins in consecutive seasons, Miami falls to Marshall with a statistical oddity. Miami out-gained Marshall by one yard. Kent rained on the parade falling to the Illini in a tight game, and BGSU doesn't want to talk about it.

After two games Hawaii is averaging 51 points per game and they've not faced an FCS.

The post-Chad Morris era at SMU doesn't look pleasant so far. They "beat" North Texas 23-10 in the fourth quarter but UNT won the first three quarters 36-0.

If the Benjamin Buttons coaching career of Lane Kiffin ever ends, get the guy on Game Day. He called it on the Dan Patrick show that OU would blow them out. Although apparently the FAU Alumni Association didn't get the message sending a text out touting FAU's win over OU as a reason to donate. To be fair, the game was tied for 7:20

UNT's 3rd string players were out there in the 4th quarter against SMU's 1st team offense. Littrell and Dykes are friends. We didn't have to let them score in the 4th. Anyone that watched the first 3 quarters knows this.

That was pretty obvious without watching the game.

(09-03-2018 05:41 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 09:30 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-02-2018 02:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Can't be much joy in the state of Kansas except perverse joy. Kansas fans wanting rid of Beatty probably now have that locked up after the OT loss to an FCS and K-State dodged their own trip to OT so probably some joy they didn't lose to an FCS like Kansas.

Pretty good weekend in Ohio. Cincinnati wins at UCLA, Ohio State thrashes Oregon State, Akron avoids being Scott Frost's possible first victim at Nebraska, Toledo gets a breather vs VMI, Ohio holds off Howard's attempt to get FBS wins in consecutive seasons, Miami falls to Marshall with a statistical oddity. Miami out-gained Marshall by one yard. Kent rained on the parade falling to the Illini in a tight game, and BGSU doesn't want to talk about it.

After two games Hawaii is averaging 51 points per game and they've not faced an FCS.

The post-Chad Morris era at SMU doesn't look pleasant so far. They "beat" North Texas 23-10 in the fourth quarter but UNT won the first three quarters 36-0.

If the Benjamin Buttons coaching career of Lane Kiffin ever ends, get the guy on Game Day. He called it on the Dan Patrick show that OU would blow them out. Although apparently the FAU Alumni Association didn't get the message sending a text out touting FAU's win over OU as a reason to donate. To be fair, the game was tied for 7:20

UNT's 3rd string players were out there in the 4th quarter against SMU's 1st team offense. Littrell and Dykes are friends. We didn't have to let them score in the 4th. Anyone that watched the first 3 quarters knows this.

That was pretty obvious without watching the game.

This stood out to me...