(09-09-2018 07:16 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:10 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:09 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:53 PM)tailingpermit Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:47 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Lol ok buddy. The AAC is superior to the MWC and we will actually play multiple ranked teams in conference- something Boise has no hope of.

Better beat OKST since it’s your last and only tough game on the schedule

Way too early to be calling out which conference is superior.

That's the beauty, Boise can lose to Okie Light, win out and still get the NY6 bid.

UCF is once again playing no one out of conference that has a pulse.

A couple of post ago you gave us the scenario of Troy potentially winning out and winning their conference. The same could be said of the 2 P5 opponents left on UCF's schedule of Pitt and UNC. If you can make a scenario why not anyone else?

Another point for the AAC is that already have 4 wins outside the conference against P5 teams. The MWC didn't get that many against P5 last all year and are doubtful to accomplish it this year. The MWC is not deep at all.

Is the AAC deep? How would you define deep?

Top 4 to 6 could win the conference, including UCF, USF, Cincy (best recruiting class in many years and better coaching philosophy), Houston, Memphis, and Navy. Problem is that they could beat up on one another. Tell me who could be Boise in the MWC realistically.

Well, I will list to you who won the divisions and conference since 2012

2012
Co-Champs - SDSU, Fresno State, Boise State

2013
Mountain - Utah State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Fresno State

2014
Mountain - Boise State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Boise State

2015
Mountain - Air Force
West - SDSU
Champion - SDSU

2016
Mountain - Wyoming
West - SDSU
Champion - SDSU

2017
Mountain - Boise State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Boise State

If you look at that, you might see something different than what you think. This year, Boise looks to be the best team in the conference. Hell, they may be a top 10 team. But, guess what, the games will be played. Utah State, Fresno, Hawaii, SDSU, all are highly competitive. Colorado State appears to be able to beat an SEC school, so that is good I guess.

(09-09-2018 07:23 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:16 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:10 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:09 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:53 PM)tailingpermit Wrote:  Way too early to be calling out which conference is superior.

That's the beauty, Boise can lose to Okie Light, win out and still get the NY6 bid.

UCF is once again playing no one out of conference that has a pulse.

A couple of post ago you gave us the scenario of Troy potentially winning out and winning their conference. The same could be said of the 2 P5 opponents left on UCF's schedule of Pitt and UNC. If you can make a scenario why not anyone else?

Another point for the AAC is that already have 4 wins outside the conference against P5 teams. The MWC didn't get that many against P5 last all year and are doubtful to accomplish it this year. The MWC is not deep at all.

Is the AAC deep? How would you define deep?

Top 4 to 6 could win the conference, including UCF, USF, Cincy (best recruiting class in many years and better coaching philosophy), Houston, Memphis, and Navy. Problem is that they could beat up on one another. Tell me who could be Boise in the MWC realistically.

Well, I will list to you who won the divisions and conference since 2012

2012
Co-Champs - SDSU, Fresno State, Boise State

2013
Mountain - Utah State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Fresno State

2014
Mountain - Boise State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Boise State

2015
Mountain - Air Force
West - SDSU
Champion - SDSU

2016
Mountain - Wyoming
West - SDSU
Champion - SDSU

2017
Mountain - Boise State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Boise State

If you look at that, you might see something different than what you think. This year, Boise looks to be the best team in the conference. Hell, they may be a top 10 team. But, guess what, the games will be played. Utah State, Fresno, Hawaii, SDSU, all are highly competitive. Colorado State appears to be able to beat an SEC school, so that is good I guess.

First of all, going back 6 years, when some of these guys were in the 7th grade is overkill. Even 4 years is probably a little overkill since most don't play much if at all as freshmen. Even so, in the last 4 years, you have had two different teams win the championship.

On the other hand, the AAC has had a different champion in each of the last 4 years, including a 3 way tie (no championship game) in 2014. So that's 5 different teams to make the claim of champions. UCF is the only one on the list twice and that was with two different coaches.

I think you'll need another measuring feature than what you provided so far.

I'd like to see UCF play Notre Dame for their spot in the poll.

Something just tells me that UCF would beat Ball St. by more than eight lousy points.

(09-09-2018 07:39 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:23 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:16 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:10 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:09 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  A couple of post ago you gave us the scenario of Troy potentially winning out and winning their conference. The same could be said of the 2 P5 opponents left on UCF's schedule of Pitt and UNC. If you can make a scenario why not anyone else?

Another point for the AAC is that already have 4 wins outside the conference against P5 teams. The MWC didn't get that many against P5 last all year and are doubtful to accomplish it this year. The MWC is not deep at all.

Is the AAC deep? How would you define deep?

Top 4 to 6 could win the conference, including UCF, USF, Cincy (best recruiting class in many years and better coaching philosophy), Houston, Memphis, and Navy. Problem is that they could beat up on one another. Tell me who could be Boise in the MWC realistically.

Well, I will list to you who won the divisions and conference since 2012

2012
Co-Champs - SDSU, Fresno State, Boise State

2013
Mountain - Utah State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Fresno State

2014
Mountain - Boise State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Boise State

2015
Mountain - Air Force
West - SDSU
Champion - SDSU

2016
Mountain - Wyoming
West - SDSU
Champion - SDSU

2017
Mountain - Boise State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Boise State

If you look at that, you might see something different than what you think. This year, Boise looks to be the best team in the conference. Hell, they may be a top 10 team. But, guess what, the games will be played. Utah State, Fresno, Hawaii, SDSU, all are highly competitive. Colorado State appears to be able to beat an SEC school, so that is good I guess.

First of all, going back 6 years, when some of these guys were in the 7th grade is overkill. Even 4 years is probably a little overkill since most don't play much if at all as freshmen. Even so, in the last 4 years, you have had two different teams win the championship.

On the other hand, the AAC has had a different champion in each of the last 4 years, including a 3 way tie (no championship game) in 2014. So that's 5 different teams to make the claim of champions. UCF is the only one on the list twice and that was with two different coaches.

I think you'll need another measuring feature than what you provided so far.

Oh, so six years to too far, but four is just right? How about we go back three years? Well, in that case SDSU is the class of the conference.

This is silly. Houston, USF and UCF all look strong. Cinci looks to be ahead of schedule. Navy lost to the team that was picked to finish last in the MW (even though they appear to be good now), Memphis lost to them, Tulane looks good in my opinion, then there is the rest of the AAC that is proving themselves to be bad.

(09-09-2018 07:39 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:23 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:16 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:10 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:09 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  A couple of post ago you gave us the scenario of Troy potentially winning out and winning their conference. The same could be said of the 2 P5 opponents left on UCF's schedule of Pitt and UNC. If you can make a scenario why not anyone else?

Another point for the AAC is that already have 4 wins outside the conference against P5 teams. The MWC didn't get that many against P5 last all year and are doubtful to accomplish it this year. The MWC is not deep at all.

Is the AAC deep? How would you define deep?

Top 4 to 6 could win the conference, including UCF, USF, Cincy (best recruiting class in many years and better coaching philosophy), Houston, Memphis, and Navy. Problem is that they could beat up on one another. Tell me who could be Boise in the MWC realistically.

Well, I will list to you who won the divisions and conference since 2012

2012
Co-Champs - SDSU, Fresno State, Boise State

2013
Mountain - Utah State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Fresno State

2014
Mountain - Boise State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Boise State

2015
Mountain - Air Force
West - SDSU
Champion - SDSU

2016
Mountain - Wyoming
West - SDSU
Champion - SDSU

2017
Mountain - Boise State
West - Fresno State
Champion - Boise State

If you look at that, you might see something different than what you think. This year, Boise looks to be the best team in the conference. Hell, they may be a top 10 team. But, guess what, the games will be played. Utah State, Fresno, Hawaii, SDSU, all are highly competitive. Colorado State appears to be able to beat an SEC school, so that is good I guess.

First of all, going back 6 years, when some of these guys were in the 7th grade is overkill. Even 4 years is probably a little overkill since most don't play much if at all as freshmen. Even so, in the last 4 years, you have had two different teams win the championship.

On the other hand, the AAC has had a different champion in each of the last 4 years, including a 3 way tie (no championship game) in 2014. So that's 5 different teams to make the claim of champions. UCF is the only one on the list twice and that was with two different coaches.

I think you'll need another measuring feature than what you provided so far.

Oh, so six years to too far, but four is just right? How about we go back three years? Well, in that case SDSU is the class of the conference.

This is silly. Houston, USF and UCF all look strong. Cinci looks to be ahead of schedule. Navy lost to the team that was picked to finish last in the MW (even though they appear to be good now), Memphis lost to them, Tulane looks good in my opinion, then there is the rest of the AAC that is proving themselves to be bad.

(09-09-2018 07:10 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:09 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:53 PM)tailingpermit Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:47 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:45 PM)tailingpermit Wrote:  Newsflash, Troy carries more clout than South Carolina State - otherwise Boise wouldn't have jumped you in the polls.

Lol ok buddy. The AAC is superior to the MWC and we will actually play multiple ranked teams in conference- something Boise has no hope of.

Better beat OKST since it’s your last and only tough game on the schedule

Way too early to be calling out which conference is superior.

That's the beauty, Boise can lose to Okie Light, win out and still get the NY6 bid.

UCF is once again playing no one out of conference that has a pulse.

A couple of post ago you gave us the scenario of Troy potentially winning out and winning their conference. The same could be said of the 2 P5 opponents left on UCF's schedule of Pitt and UNC. If you can make a scenario why not anyone else?

Another point for the AAC is that already have 4 wins outside the conference against P5 teams. The MWC didn't get that many against P5 last all year and are doubtful to accomplish it this year. The MWC is not deep at all.

Is the AAC deep? How would you define deep?

Deeper than the mwc.
Still very early, so this does need to be taken with a grain of salt...
Massey Composite (with 35 rankings compiled) after 8 Sep games
The two conferences (and 4 other G4 datapoints)
. . . . . . . . .13 Boise
19 UCF
38 USF
40 Memphis
42 Houston
. . . . . . . . . 47 Fresno
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .49 #1 SunBelt
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 53 #1 CUSA
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 #1 MAC
. . . . . . . . . .59 SDSU
65 Navy
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 66 Troy
. . . . . . . . . .71 USU
73 Cincinnati
. . . . . . . . . .83 Wyoming
. . . . . . . . . .85 AF
87 Tulane
. . . . . . . . . 88 Hawaii
92 Temple
95 Tulsa
. . . . . . . . . 97 CSU
. . . . . . . . . 101 Nevada
. . .. . . . . . 102 UNLV
103 SMU
106 ECU
. . . . . . . . . .112UNM
121 UConn
. . . . . . . . . 128 SJSU

One is deeper. If BSU should lose to Oklahoma State, then anyone coming out of the AAC would have better wins.Even Troy win looks worse than multiple AAC wins, much less any P5 wins.

Last week you were willing to talk about "top four." Only Boise, no other mwc., no other G4 would qualify for the AAC top four. Average ranking of top four 34.75 for the AAC, 47.5 for the mwc.

(09-09-2018 08:25 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:10 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:09 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:53 PM)tailingpermit Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:47 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Lol ok buddy. The AAC is superior to the MWC and we will actually play multiple ranked teams in conference- something Boise has no hope of.

Better beat OKST since it’s your last and only tough game on the schedule

Way too early to be calling out which conference is superior.

That's the beauty, Boise can lose to Okie Light, win out and still get the NY6 bid.

UCF is once again playing no one out of conference that has a pulse.

A couple of post ago you gave us the scenario of Troy potentially winning out and winning their conference. The same could be said of the 2 P5 opponents left on UCF's schedule of Pitt and UNC. If you can make a scenario why not anyone else?

Another point for the AAC is that already have 4 wins outside the conference against P5 teams. The MWC didn't get that many against P5 last all year and are doubtful to accomplish it this year. The MWC is not deep at all.

Is the AAC deep? How would you define deep?

Deeper than the mwc.
Still very early, so this does need to be taken with a grain of salt...
Massey Composite (with 35 rankings compiled) after 8 Sep games
The two conferences (and 4 other G4 datapoints)
13 Boise
19 UCF
38 USF
40 Memphis
42 Houston
47 Fresno
49 #1 SunBelt
53 #1 CUSA
55 #1 MAC
59 SDSU
65 Navy
66 Troy
71 USU
73 Cincinnati
83 Wyoming
85 AF
87 Tulane
88 Hawaii
92 Temple
95 Tulsa
97 CSU
101 Nevada
102 UNLV
103 SMU
106 ECU
112UNM
121 UConn
128 SJSU

One is deeper. If BSU should lose to Oklahoma State, then anyone coming out of the AAC would have better wins.Even Troy win looks worse than multiple AAC wins, much less any P5 wins.

Last week you were willing to talk about "top four." Only Boise, no other mwc., no other G4 would qualify for the AAC top four. Average ranking of top four 34.75 for the AAC, 47.5 for the mwc.

We can agree on these three things

1. This was a great weekend for the top of the AAC, and this is reflected in the rankings.

2. It is early.

3. Hot damn, the bottom of each conference looks like **** when analyzing the data. But, I don't think we should trust the data here, as I have watched Hawaii play, and they are nowhere near 88th team in the country, and neither is Tulane. People here are touting Cinci, and the data says they are not even in the top half of CFB. It is early.

(09-09-2018 08:29 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 08:25 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:10 PM)Fanhood Part Deaux Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:09 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:53 PM)tailingpermit Wrote:  Way too early to be calling out which conference is superior.

That's the beauty, Boise can lose to Okie Light, win out and still get the NY6 bid.

UCF is once again playing no one out of conference that has a pulse.

A couple of post ago you gave us the scenario of Troy potentially winning out and winning their conference. The same could be said of the 2 P5 opponents left on UCF's schedule of Pitt and UNC. If you can make a scenario why not anyone else?

Another point for the AAC is that already have 4 wins outside the conference against P5 teams. The MWC didn't get that many against P5 last all year and are doubtful to accomplish it this year. The MWC is not deep at all.

Is the AAC deep? How would you define deep?

Deeper than the mwc.
Still very early, so this does need to be taken with a grain of salt...
Massey Composite (with 35 rankings compiled) after 8 Sep games
The two conferences (and 4 other G4 datapoints)
13 Boise
19 UCF
38 USF
40 Memphis
42 Houston
47 Fresno
49 #1 SunBelt
53 #1 CUSA
55 #1 MAC
59 SDSU
65 Navy
66 Troy
71 USU
73 Cincinnati
83 Wyoming
85 AF
87 Tulane
88 Hawaii
92 Temple
95 Tulsa
97 CSU
101 Nevada
102 UNLV
103 SMU
106 ECU
112UNM
121 UConn
128 SJSU

One is deeper. If BSU should lose to Oklahoma State, then anyone coming out of the AAC would have better wins.Even Troy win looks worse than multiple AAC wins, much less any P5 wins.

Last week you were willing to talk about "top four." Only Boise, no other mwc., no other G4 would qualify for the AAC top four. Average ranking of top four 34.75 for the AAC, 47.5 for the mwc.

We can agree on these three things

1. This was a great weekend for the top of the AAC, and this is reflected in the rankings.

2. It is early.

3. Hot damn, the bottom of each conference looks like **** when analyzing the data. But, I don't think we should trust the data here, as I have watched Hawaii play, and they are nowhere near 88th team in the country, and neither is Tulane. People here are touting Cinci, and the data says they are not even in the top half of CFB. It is early.

Agree that it is very early.
Hawaii is the one result that REALLY surprises me. I am a believer that they are pretty daggone good. What is surprising is that it hasn't moved them up any of these ranking systems. Not just that they're 3-0, against an overall poor schedule. They have put up some numbers, which a lot of these systems should love. #5 passing yards per game, #15 points per game, #23 total yards per game

Still very early.

(09-09-2018 05:42 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:33 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 03:39 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Off topic, but if anyone likes free money, I just read that usf opens as a 9.5 dog at Illinois.

You're kidding me, right? Wow, that is a bad line.

I see them as 9.5 point favorites

Could be, I got it second hand. If true it’s still free money to take the over.

(09-09-2018 06:00 PM)tailingpermit Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:57 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:25 PM)tailingpermit Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:20 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:12 PM)tailingpermit Wrote:  I'm not talking about last year, simply stating that Boise has had a more difficult schedule so far this year.

Simply put, play someone ranked out of conference and you won't have to worry about being Boise's ugly little sister every year.

But you are talking about last year. Go reread your own sentence about Troy.

But we played Troy this year, that is completely different than screaming "we have the nations longest winning streak!!!!!!!"

UCF has played a terrible UConn team and then an FCS team.

Yes but you used Troy's record from last year as some sort of legitimacy for your crap schedule up to this point. To be honest UCF's schedule to date has been nothing to brag about either but their not making pure azzez out of themselves on other conferences boards like you are. Enjoy your glass slippers Cinderella.

Well, let's see how UCF fares against power house North Carolina or USF vs world beater Illinois.

Those slippers fit pretty well, 3 major bowl wins in the past ten years.

You can't be serious. Just make sure you watch both of those games.

You can tell the MWC lacks fans when the few they do have hang out her seeking legitimacy

(09-09-2018 11:20 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  You can't be serious. Just make sure you watch both of those games.

I'll be at the USF game, so you can count on me watching that.

Looks like beating UCONN got Boise some points.

Suck it easy!

No ECU? WTF???

(09-09-2018 08:57 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:42 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 05:33 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 03:39 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Off topic, but if anyone likes free money, I just read that usf opens as a 9.5 dog at Illinois.

You're kidding me, right? Wow, that is a bad line.

I see them as 9.5 point favorites

Could be, I got it second hand. If true it’s still free money to take the over.

As long as UCF and UH, maybe USF, handle their business, we’ll get the NY6 bid. And there will be nothing Boise can do about it.

(09-11-2018 08:39 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:  As long as UCF and UH, maybe USF, handle their business, we’ll get the NY6 bid. And there will be nothing Boise can do about it.

...if USF "handles it's business" that means wins over Houston and Central heading into the Championship game....against Houston? Memphis? Navy? Who ever wins the AAC this year will have certainly have earned like it was the case last year. UCF got severely battle tested at the end of the year with amazing games against USF and Memphis. Auburn was almost somewhat of a let down in intensity....that and Auburn playing like they had the game won before the whistle blew.

(09-11-2018 09:53 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 08:39 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:  As long as UCF and UH, maybe USF, handle their business, we’ll get the NY6 bid. And there will be nothing Boise can do about it.

...if USF "handles it's business" that means wins over Houston and Central heading into the Championship game....against Houston? Memphis? Navy? Who ever wins the AAC this year will have certainly have earned like it was the case last year. UCF got severely battle tested at the end of the year with amazing games against USF and Memphis. Auburn was almost somewhat of a let down in intensity....that and Auburn playing like they had the game won before the whistle blew.

Boise still has a very strong football brand. Houston and UCF have more appeal nationally than Boise right now. USF does not. But wins over UH, UCF, etc. would be tough to pass up. That’s why I said maybe on USF. I do think you guys would get the nod, but it would be a lot closer than if it were UH or UCF battling Boise for the NY6. There is 0 chance Boise gets the nod it UH or UCF are AAC champs. Unless one of them has two losses. And ven then, they still probably get it over Boise. The only way Boise gets it is if Uh and UCF have two losses and Boise is undefeated. That’s their only shot.

(09-11-2018 09:53 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 08:39 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:  As long as UCF and UH, maybe USF, handle their business, we’ll get the NY6 bid. And there will be nothing Boise can do about it.

...if USF "handles it's business" that means wins over Houston and Central heading into the Championship game....against Houston? Memphis? Navy? Who ever wins the AAC this year will have certainly have earned like it was the case last year. UCF got severely battle tested at the end of the year with amazing games against USF and Memphis. Auburn was almost somewhat of a let down in intensity....that and Auburn playing like they had the game won before the whistle blew.

Boise still has a very strong football brand. Houston and UCF have more appeal nationally than Boise right now. USF does not. But wins over UH, UCF, etc. would be tough to pass up. That’s why I said maybe on USF. I do think you guys would get the nod, but it would be a lot closer than if it were UH or UCF battling Boise for the NY6. There is 0 chance Boise gets the nod it UH or UCF are AAC champs. Unless one of them has two losses. And ven then, they still probably get it over Boise. The only way Boise gets it is if Uh and UCF have two losses and Boise is undefeated. That’s their only shot.