American
44 Tulane
59 SMU
63 UConn
106 Temple
106 Tulsa
124 USF
147 Cincy
165 UCF
171 Houston
194 East Carolina
230-301 Memphis
230-301 Wichita St
Other
16 Rice
66 BYU
70 UMass
89 Buffalo
96 Miami-O
127 San Diego St
140 Colo St
165 UAB
165 Hawaii
171 Louisville
177 Miss St
183 Wyoming
187 Texas Tech
187 New Mexico
201 Nevada
205 West Virginia
205 Fresno St
205 Utah St
230-301 Boise
230-301 UNLV
San Jose St is classified as "Regional" not "National."
Navy is ranked #22 in National Liberal Arts Colleges. Air Force is ranked #30 in the same category. Army #18.
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Okay, so our only contributions to the sport of football is producing the Chicago Bears franchise leader in career receiving yards. And hosting the Packers the week before Super Bowl 1.
We still boast P6 academics as a conference.
If there are any Green Bay fans here, you'll get a kick out of this.
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(09-10-2018 02:06 AM)CougarRed Wrote: There are 16 "G5" conference teams in the Top 171.
Nine of them (56%) are American schools. Three MWC. Two CUSA. Two MAC. (Plus two independents.)
P6 narrative, baby.
The American has only one top 50 school? That's cute. The Big West will have four when UC San Diego joins in 2020, and five in the top 100.
P6 narrative, baby.
30. UC Santa Barbara
33. UC Irvine
38. UC Davis
41. UC San Diego (joins in 2020)
85. UC Riverside
165. Hawaii
221. Cal State Fullerton
That more than offsets the four other members classified as "Regional."
That's not an apples to apples comparison. You have "UC" at the front of all those names while we're trying to do this on a State of Texas higher education budget. Kinda like comparing NASA to us building a rocket with rubber bands and tinker toys. .
Glad to see you acknowledge the two top CUSA schools, Rice and UAB, in your rankings. But, you forgot to list the other 8 ranked CUSA programs who are deemed USNW national universities FIU at 177, ODU at 215, and La Tech, Middle Tennessee, FAU, UNT, UTEP and UTSA in the 230-301 group. Transparency is a wonderful thing.
(09-10-2018 02:06 AM)CougarRed Wrote: There are 16 "G5" conference teams in the Top 171.
Nine of them (56%) are American schools. Three MWC. Two CUSA. Two MAC. (Plus two independents.)
P6 narrative, baby.
The American has only one top 50 school? That's cute. The Big West will have four when UC San Diego joins in 2020, and five in the top 100.
P6 narrative, baby.
30. UC Santa Barbara
33. UC Irvine
38. UC Davis
41. UC San Diego (joins in 2020)
85. UC Riverside
165. Hawaii
221. Cal State Fullerton
That more than offsets the four other members classified as "Regional."
That's not an apples to apples comparison. You have "UC" at the front of all those names while we're trying to do this on a State of Texas higher education budget. Kinda like comparing NASA to us building a rocket with rubber bands and tinker toys. .
Kind of weird for Gaucho to troll an FBS football conference with that. The Ivy League could do the same thing to both conferences - yet somehow manage to restrain themselves. What's most impressive are schools like Stanford, Michigan, Notre Dame, Navy (in a somewhat different category) etc., who manage to both be academic top 50 and very competitive in big time football.
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(09-10-2018 08:42 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote: Glad to see you acknowledge the two top CUSA schools, Rice and UAB, in your rankings. But, you forgot to list the other 8 ranked CUSA programs who are deemed USNW national universities FIU at 177, ODU at 215, and La Tech, Middle Tennessee, FAU, UNT, UTEP and UTSA in the 230-301 group. Transparency is a wonderful thing.
He said top 171. The other CUSA schools you are listing all fall outside the top 171.
With 4,000+ institutions of higher learning in the United States anyone in the top 300 is top 8% so congratulations to everyone. Seriously a top notch education is available at all of these schools and the difference between 70 and 106 and 171 is statistically insignificant.
(09-10-2018 09:21 AM)vick mike Wrote: With 4,000+ institutions of higher learning in the United States anyone in the top 300 is top 8% so congratulations to everyone. Seriously a top notch education is available at all of these schools and the difference between 70 and 106 and 171 is statistically insignificant.
will be curious to see our ranking in the next 2 years
houston is comparable or better than everyone in basically every aspect in the 90-120 range except 1...houston has a horrible 4/6 year graduation rate (which is hard to maintain for a public city school)..which is why our rankings jump up and down depending on what rankings, and if they weigh that (its 25% of the weight for usnews)..
but houston 3 years ago created a "graduate in 4 year program" that drastically incentivized graduating on time, if you are in the program you get way lower tuition, priority over seniors in dorm selections and picking classes.. people in the program should start graduating soon , will be curious to see its impact on our grad rates
and FINALLLY!!! Houston is starting a medical program...its crazy how houston (the city) has the biggest medical district in the world, and the largest university in the city didnt have a medical school... with the location the potential for the program is crazy...
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(09-10-2018 09:41 AM)JHG722 Wrote: We should be in the top 100 in the next 3 years.
I expect USF should be in the mix for the Top 100 as well...and it may not take three years. Would be nice to see two AAC schools crash the Top 100 and even more fun to see what current Top 100 schools get bumped down.
Incidentally, USF President Judy Genshaft who has masterminded USF's remarkable transformation in academics, infrastructure and relevancy since being hired in 2000 is announcing her retirement this afternoon. Sad to see her go. Many folks love to bash her ...and she wasn't perfect...but she broke several proverbial glass ceilings within the State of Florida. While her predecessor, Betty Castor made many advances for USF, she was not really an academic and more politician. She challenged the seemingly carved in stone dogma that only UF and FSU were allowed to be supported at a high level in higher ed funding. This made her a lot of political enemies...but she never wavered. Her efforts opened the door for UCF and FIU to get their voice heard too. Probably more than you guys/gals want to read on a AAC sports board...but thought I would mention it. Think about this: over the last 12 months the State of Florida has lost two of its most accomplished and prominent university Presidents, Genshaft and UCF's Pres Hitt ...who was also transformational for UCF.
It will be interesting if one of her proteges, current Houston President Renu Khator, applies for the job.
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(09-10-2018 09:41 AM)JHG722 Wrote: We should be in the top 100 in the next 3 years.
I expect USF should be in the mix for the Top 100 as well...and it may not take three years. Would be nice to see two AAC schools crash the Top 100 and even more fun to see what current Top 100 schools get bumped down.
Incidentally, USF President Judy Genshaft who has masterminded USF's remarkable transformation in academics, infrastructure and relevancy since being hired in 2000 is announcing her retirement this afternoon. Sad to see her go. Many folks love to bash her ...and she wasn't perfect...but she broke several proverbial glass ceilings within the State of Florida. While her predecessor, Betty Castor made many advances for USF, she was not really an academic and more politician. She challenged the seemingly carved in stone dogma that only UF and FSU were allowed to be supported at a high level in higher ed funding. This made her a lot of political enemies...but she never wavered. Her efforts opened the door for UCF and FIU to get their voice heard too. Probably more than you guys/gals want to read on a AAC sports board...but thought I would mention it. Think about this: over the last 12 months the State of Florida has lost two of its most accomplished and prominent university Presidents, Genshaft and UCF's Pres Hitt ...who was also transformational for UCF.
It will be interesting if one of her proteges, current Houston President Renu Khator, applies for the job.
She'd be a fantastic candidate---but I doubt it. Renu, at 63, seems to be aiming at making the elevation of UH her final legacy. She's been an incredible president---the kind they build statues for. She has presided over perhaps the greatest leaps forward for the schools since it made the jump from community college to 4-year university early in its history. I dont see her leaving at this juncture of her career.
(09-10-2018 09:41 AM)JHG722 Wrote: We should be in the top 100 in the next 3 years.
I expect USF should be in the mix for the Top 100 as well...and it may not take three years. Would be nice to see two AAC schools crash the Top 100 and even more fun to see what current Top 100 schools get bumped down.
Incidentally, USF President Judy Genshaft who has masterminded USF's remarkable transformation in academics, infrastructure and relevancy since being hired in 2000 is announcing her retirement this afternoon. Sad to see her go. Many folks love to bash her ...and she wasn't perfect...but she broke several proverbial glass ceilings within the State of Florida. While her predecessor, Betty Castor made many advances for USF, she was not really an academic and more politician. She challenged the seemingly carved in stone dogma that only UF and FSU were allowed to be supported at a high level in higher ed funding. This made her a lot of political enemies...but she never wavered. Her efforts opened the door for UCF and FIU to get their voice heard too. Probably more than you guys/gals want to read on a AAC sports board...but thought I would mention it. Think about this: over the last 12 months the State of Florida has lost two of its most accomplished and prominent university Presidents, Genshaft and UCF's Pres Hitt ...who was also transformational for UCF.
It will be interesting if one of her proteges, current Houston President Renu Khator, applies for the job.
She'd be a fantastic candidate---but I doubt it. Renu, at 63, seems to be aiming at making the elevation of UH her final legacy. She's been an incredible president---the kind they build statues for. She has presided over perhaps the greatest leaps forward for the schools since it made the jump from community college to 4-year university early in its history. I dont see her leaving at this juncture of her career.
She has indeed done a wonderful job and if that's her final stop, so be it. Houston has done well under her watch. We'll just need to find someone else.
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(09-10-2018 09:21 AM)vick mike Wrote: With 4,000+ institutions of higher learning in the United States anyone in the top 300 is top 8% so congratulations to everyone. Seriously a top notch education is available at all of these schools and the difference between 70 and 106 and 171 is statistically insignificant.
HORSEPUCKY!!!!!!
I respectfully disagree with this one also. For starters, there are only 300+ "National Universities", as USNWR categorizes them. Secondly, the statement would put CUSA and SBC on par with The American, which I don't think they are.
Being Top 100 is a big deal. If you can't be that, then being definitively ranked (i.e. 229 or lower) is important. Memphis needs to pick up the slack. (I don't say the same about WSU because the conference knew who they were when they were added.)
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