I posted the current totals in the OP! There are 14 (serious) ballots in, and right now there are 15 unanimous choices.

#1-15 (14/14, 100%): Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, Washington

#16-18 (13/14, 93%): Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin

#19-24 (12/14, 86%): Auburn, Clemson, Miami-FL, Michigan State, Oregon, Virginia Tech

#25 (11/14, 79%): UCLA

#26 (10/14, 71%): Colorado

#27-28 (9/14, 64%): Arkansas, Stanford

#29 (8/14, 57%): North Carolina

#30-31 (7/14, 50%): Missouri, West Virginia

#32-34 (6/14, 43%): Arizona State, California, South Carolina

The Gamecocks, Golden Bears, and Sun Devils are duking it out for spot #32, but any new voters could shake things up.

Keep those ballots coming! :D

(09-13-2018 06:08 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 03:17 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Clemson OR South Carolina
UNC, NC State, ECU, maybe even App State, someone from NC

You gotta decide! :)

Most Likely South Carolina as it can serve Charlotte Markets and SC total market.
For NC Most Likely North Carolina.

(09-13-2018 01:53 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 06:08 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 03:17 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Clemson OR South Carolina
UNC, NC State, ECU, maybe even App State, someone from NC

You gotta decide! :)

Most Likely South Carolina as it can serve Charlotte Markets and SC total market.
For NC Most Likely North Carolina.

Gotcha -- thanks!

(09-13-2018 02:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 01:53 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 06:08 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 03:17 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Clemson OR South Carolina
UNC, NC State, ECU, maybe even App State, someone from NC

You gotta decide! :)

Most Likely South Carolina as it can serve Charlotte Markets and SC total market.
For NC Most Likely North Carolina.

Gotcha -- thanks!

Just this year Carolina cut capacity in Kenan by 12,000 from 63,000 to 51,000 and remain unable to sell out season tickets. While the Carolina brand is more popular, it's all about basketball not football.

For football in NC you need to go with NC State. And you need to look at the support through attendance figures. Going forward UNC has major structural issues going against football - a very female campus at a nearly 60-40 split, a non-football culture, and an academic curriculum without male oriented offerings like Engineering, Veterinary Science, etc. Finally Kenan sucks for a football game because there is no parking that accommodates tailgating and the road system does not support the traffic. Chapel Hill is not as bad as Chestnut Hill in that respect only because of the parking decks for Memorial Hospital.


They still have 3,000-5,000 unsold tickets just for the GT game.

(09-13-2018 01:48 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I posted the current totals in the OP! There are 14 (serious) ballots in, and right now there are 15 unanimous choices.

#1-15 (14/14, 100%): Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, Washington

#16-18 (13/14, 93%): Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin

#19-24 (12/14, 86%): Auburn, Clemson, Miami-FL, Michigan State, Oregon, Virginia Tech

#25 (11/14, 79%): UCLA

#26 (10/14, 71%): Colorado

#27-28 (9/14, 64%): Arkansas, Stanford

#29 (8/14, 57%): North Carolina

#30-31 (7/14, 50%): Missouri, West Virginia

#32-34 (6/14, 43%): Arizona State, California, South Carolina

The Gamecocks, Golden Bears, and Sun Devils are duking it out for spot #32, but any new voters could shake things up.

Keep those ballots coming! :D

I am sure somebody new will break the tie for #32, but if we are voting on the tie-breaker, I vote for ASU. The state of Arizona should get at at least 1 team.

Arizona
BYU
UCLA
Colorado
Oregon
Southern California
Stanford
Washington

Illinois
Michigan
Minnesota
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin

Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Louisiana State
South Carolina
Tennessee

Clemson
North Carolina
Virginia Tech
Texas A&M
Texas
Oklahoma
Iowa
Missouri

Just missed: California, Michigan State, Virginia, West Virginia, Miami, Ole Miss

To me, the real question is which 32 teams would be picked by Disney or Amazon or Netflix or Apple. I'm not sure what fans like makes much of a difference. Think of it as a pure Disney/Amazon type decision.

Also I could see a 32-team FB League and a separate 64-team BB League. The FB league probably makes about 4x what the BB League would make.

And the NCAA as we know it is pretty much out of business. No revenue source.

(09-11-2018 03:48 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Vote for 32 college football programs you think should be included in a Top 32 breakaway scenario. I'll tally the votes as we go and post running totals.

The details of the breakaway aren't important. Maybe they're leaving the NCAA and becoming an official farm system for the NFL. Or maybe they're simply becoming a new top tier of the Division I football pyramid.

NOTE: Vote for exactly 32! No more, no less. Otherwise your votes don't count in the total.

ohio state,
michigan,
michigan state,
penn state,
wisconsin,
iowa,
nebraska,
minnesota
florida,
alabama,
auburn,
georgia,
texas a&m,
tennessee,
lsu,
mississippi,
kentucky,
clemson
oklahoma,
texas,
west virginia,
kansas
florida state,
va. tech,
n. carolina
oregon,
washington,
ucla,
usc,
arizona state,
colorado,
notre dame

(09-13-2018 05:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 02:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 01:53 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 06:08 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 03:17 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Clemson OR South Carolina
UNC, NC State, ECU, maybe even App State, someone from NC

You gotta decide! :)

Most Likely South Carolina as it can serve Charlotte Markets and SC total market.
For NC Most Likely North Carolina.

Gotcha -- thanks!

Just this year Carolina cut capacity in Kenan by 12,000 from 63,000 to 51,000 and remain unable to sell out season tickets. While the Carolina brand is more popular, it's all about basketball not football.

For football in NC you need to go with NC State. And you need to look at the support through attendance figures. Going forward UNC has major structural issues going against football - a very female campus at a nearly 60-40 split, a non-football culture, and an academic curriculum without male oriented offerings like Engineering, Veterinary Science, etc. Finally Kenan sucks for a football game because there is no parking that accommodates tailgating and the road system does not support the traffic. Chapel Hill is not as bad as Chestnut Hill in that respect only because of the parking decks for Memorial Hospital.


They still have 3,000-5,000 unsold tickets just for the GT game.

To be honest NC State and ECU actually has legit argument. I think NC State at the moment is the lead for football. However, I agree overall. People think UNC is the main school in NC for sports and that's not really the case.

For Football:
T1) NC State & ECU
T4) UNC & Appalachian State
5) Wake Forest
T6) Duke and Charlotte

For Basketball:
1) UNC
2) Duke
3) NC State
4) Wake Forest
5) Davidson
T6) ECU & Charlotte
8) UNCW
9) UNCG
Plus UNCA, NCCU, etc

For Baseball:
T1) NC State, ECU, & UNC
4) UNCW
5) Charlotte
T6) Campbell, Duke, and Wake Forest
then a drop off

We received a couple more ballots, so I've updated the totals in the OP. Here's a summary of the leaders:

#1-15 (16/16, 100%): Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, Washington

#16-18 (15/16, 94%): Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin

#19-22 (14/16, 88%): Auburn, Clemson, Oregon, Virginia Tech

#23-24 (13/16, 81%): Michigan State, UCLA

#25-26 (12/16, 75%): Colorado, Miami-FL

#27-28 (10/16, 63%): North Carolina, Stanford

#29 (9/16, 56%): Arkansas

#30-31 (8/16, 50%): Missouri, West Virginia

#32-33 (7/16, 44%): Arizona State, South Carolina

Right now Arizona State and South Carolina have pulled ahead of California in a tie for spot #32. What's interesting to me is how many votes some schools are getting despite not actually being great in football, like Colorado and North Carolina. These seem to be chosen more so to ensure states or regions are represented in the Top 32. And of course some votes are going to schools with basketball prowess but little football success, like Kansas and Kentucky (UNC also partly falls in this category). The most surprising unanimous choice to me is Tennessee, which is no longer exactly what one would call a football power. Meanwhile, some of the more powerful football programs, like Boise State, Kansas State, Louisville, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Utah, have received only 1-2 votes or none at all.

(09-12-2018 08:36 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Simple: You take the most successful / relevant football program in the each state. One team per state.
Sorry Texas, Florida, and California

That means ECU would represent North Carolina while Clemson would be in for South Carolina. Virginia Tech in for Virginia and so forth.....

It's not a popularity contest. It's a what have you done for me lately....
CJ


BTW some states don't get any. Like North & South Dakota, New Mexico.....

So Auburn gets left out but Rutgers, UConn, and ECU make it in? Seems like a bad plan

(09-12-2018 08:36 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Simple: You take the most successful / relevant football program in the each state. One team per state.
Sorry Texas, Florida, and California

That means ECU would represent North Carolina while Clemson would be in for South Carolina. Virginia Tech in for Virginia and so forth.....

It's not a popularity contest. It's a what have you done for me lately....
CJ


BTW some states don't get any. Like North & South Dakota, New Mexico.....

So Auburn gets left out but Rutgers, UConn, and ECU make it in? Seems like a bad plan

Geographic spread matters to a certain extent but it should be a tiebreaker, not a requirement

No-Brainers (annual revenue over 125 million and all the other tangibles)

1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. Alabama
4. Michigan
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. Auburn
8. LSU
9. Florida State
10. Penn State
11. Florida
12. Tennessee
13. Wisconsin
14. South Carolina
15. Notre Dame
16. Arkansas
17. Texas A&M
18. Washington
19. Iowa
20. Stanford

High Revenue Generators (over 100 million) with massive followings/history/state significance:

21. Kentucky
22. Nebraska
23. USC
24. Minnesota
25. Clemson
26. Indiana
27. UCLA
28. Michigan State
29. Mississippi
30. Kansas
31. Oregon
32. Duke

Louisville and TCU were the only two schools I left out who made at least $100 million in the last NCAA revenue reporting because they were trumped by other schools in their overlapping markets with more history, national draw, and revenue. Everybody else, start finding ways to increase revenue!

With a 17th ballot in, the totals have changed again! (see OP)

#1-15 (17/17, 100%): Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, Washington

#16-18 (16/17, 94%): Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin

#19-21 (15/17, 88%): Auburn, Clemson, Oregon

#22-24 (14/17, 82%): Michigan State, UCLA, Virginia Tech

#25-26 (12/17, 71%): Colorado, Miami-FL

#27 (11/17, 65%): Stanford

#28-29 (10/17, 59%): Arkansas, North Carolina

#30-32 (8/17, 47%): Missouri, South Carolina, West Virginia

South Carolina has broken away from Arizona State, leaving us for the first time with no tie for #32. Let's get some more ballots in!

(09-16-2018 02:57 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 08:36 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Simple: You take the most successful / relevant football program in the each state. One team per state.
Sorry Texas, Florida, and California

That means ECU would represent North Carolina while Clemson would be in for South Carolina. Virginia Tech in for Virginia and so forth.....

It's not a popularity contest. It's a what have you done for me lately....
CJ


BTW some states don't get any. Like North & South Dakota, New Mexico.....

So Auburn gets left out but Rutgers, UConn, and ECU make it in? Seems like a bad plan

I wouldn’t expect UCONN or Rutgers to make it in. The key would be relevant. Nothing relevant about college football in Connecticut or New Jersey. Auburn would remain in The SEC, not a bad gig.
CJ

(09-16-2018 09:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  No-Brainers (annual revenue over 125 million and all the other tangibles)

1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. Alabama
4. Michigan
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. Auburn
8. LSU
9. Florida State
10. Penn State
11. Florida
12. Tennessee
13. Wisconsin
14. South Carolina
15. Notre Dame
16. Arkansas
17. Texas A&M
18. Washington
19. Iowa
20. Stanford

High Revenue Generators (over 100 million) with massive followings/history/state significance:

21. Kentucky
22. Nebraska
23. USC
24. Minnesota
25. Clemson
26. Indiana
27. UCLA
28. Michigan State
29. Mississippi
30. Kansas
31. Oregon
32. Duke

Louisville and TCU were the only two schools I left out who made at least $100 million in the last NCAA revenue reporting because they were trumped by other schools in their overlapping markets with more history, national draw, and revenue. Everybody else, start finding ways to increase revenue!

Surprise an LPT fan leaves Louisville out...lol
Typical...guess we just need to keep spanking that irrelevant ass
CJ

(09-17-2018 04:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(09-16-2018 09:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  No-Brainers (annual revenue over 125 million and all the other tangibles)

1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. Alabama
4. Michigan
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. Auburn
8. LSU
9. Florida State
10. Penn State
11. Florida
12. Tennessee
13. Wisconsin
14. South Carolina
15. Notre Dame
16. Arkansas
17. Texas A&M
18. Washington
19. Iowa
20. Stanford

High Revenue Generators (over 100 million) with massive followings/history/state significance:

21. Kentucky
22. Nebraska
23. USC
24. Minnesota
25. Clemson
26. Indiana
27. UCLA
28. Michigan State
29. Mississippi
30. Kansas
31. Oregon
32. Duke

Louisville and TCU were the only two schools I left out who made at least $100 million in the last NCAA revenue reporting because they were trumped by other schools in their overlapping markets with more history, national draw, and revenue. Everybody else, start finding ways to increase revenue!

Surprise an LPT fan leaves Louisville out...lol
Typical...guess we just need to keep spanking that irrelevant ass
CJ

Louisville has only received one vote so far, so he's not alone. Feel free to submit a ballot and include them!

(09-17-2018 04:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 04:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(09-16-2018 09:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  No-Brainers (annual revenue over 125 million and all the other tangibles)

1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. Alabama
4. Michigan
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. Auburn
8. LSU
9. Florida State
10. Penn State
11. Florida
12. Tennessee
13. Wisconsin
14. South Carolina
15. Notre Dame
16. Arkansas
17. Texas A&M
18. Washington
19. Iowa
20. Stanford

High Revenue Generators (over 100 million) with massive followings/history/state significance:

21. Kentucky
22. Nebraska
23. USC
24. Minnesota
25. Clemson
26. Indiana
27. UCLA
28. Michigan State
29. Mississippi
30. Kansas
31. Oregon
32. Duke

Louisville and TCU were the only two schools I left out who made at least $100 million in the last NCAA revenue reporting because they were trumped by other schools in their overlapping markets with more history, national draw, and revenue. Everybody else, start finding ways to increase revenue!

Surprise an LPT fan leaves Louisville out...lol
Typical...guess we just need to keep spanking that irrelevant ass
CJ

Louisville has only received one vote so far, so he's not alone. Feel free to submit a ballot and include them!

No problem....Kentucky fans don’t acknowledge football. If you notice this one is a UK fan..lol Believe it or not most UK fans are UK Basketball / Alabama Football. Honestly it’s really sad. They just beat Florida for the first time in 32 years and couldn’t sellout their stadium. A stadium they made smaller because they had too many empty seats...lol
CJ

(09-17-2018 04:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(09-16-2018 09:05 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  No-Brainers (annual revenue over 125 million and all the other tangibles)

1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. Alabama
4. Michigan
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. Auburn
8. LSU
9. Florida State
10. Penn State
11. Florida
12. Tennessee
13. Wisconsin
14. South Carolina
15. Notre Dame
16. Arkansas
17. Texas A&M
18. Washington
19. Iowa
20. Stanford

High Revenue Generators (over 100 million) with massive followings/history/state significance:

21. Kentucky
22. Nebraska
23. USC
24. Minnesota
25. Clemson
26. Indiana
27. UCLA
28. Michigan State
29. Mississippi
30. Kansas
31. Oregon
32. Duke

Louisville and TCU were the only two schools I left out who made at least $100 million in the last NCAA revenue reporting because they were trumped by other schools in their overlapping markets with more history, national draw, and revenue. Everybody else, start finding ways to increase revenue!

Surprise an LPT fan leaves Louisville out...lol
Typical...guess we just need to keep spanking that irrelevant ass
CJ

Kudos to Louisville and their growth as an athletic program over the last 10 years. It is a benefit to the state when both programs are strong and successful. From the University of Kentucky side, we enjoy the rivalry and cameraderie, especially with those Louisville fans who take pride in the growth of both schools that serve the Commonwealth.