Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Our Dear Leader on huricanes
Author Message
TigerBlue4Ever Offline
Unapologetic A-hole
*

Posts: 72,724
Joined: Feb 2008
Reputation: 5817
I Root For: yo mama
Location: is everything
Post: #81
RE: Our Dear Leader on huricanes
(09-12-2018 03:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 10:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 10:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Republican Adam Kinzinger said on CNN that FEMA and Trump should have done more, and should not have that we were successful. 3000 dead, and Trump saying that is not good for the people on the east coast. All the leaders in the Carolinas are coming on air more to warn the people.

But what more? Nobody can say there is something that should have been done that wasn't. It's easy to say, "3000 people died, so Trump should have done more." It's hard to identify what that something more is. So far, I have not seen anyone come forth with any specifics. I think that's because there aren't any.


This is Trump's Hurricane Katrina moment. The problem is with the governor of PR? Trump listened to him, but ignored the cries of help from the mayors. Trump still thinks the death count is 64, and not 3000.

BS, pure dee bullshite.
09-12-2018 09:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Owl 69/70/75 Offline
Just an old rugby coach
*

Posts: 80,800
Joined: Sep 2005
Reputation: 3211
I Root For: RiceBathChelsea
Location: Montgomery, TX

DonatorsNew Orleans Bowl
Post: #82
RE: Our Dear Leader on huricanes
(09-12-2018 08:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  CBS News' David Begnaud, who has covered Maria's impact extensively, noted soon after the president's remarks that the government itself has admitted serious shortcomings in the response to the hurricane. More than half of the workforce -- 54 percent -- that FEMA sent to Puerto Rico lacked proper training, according to U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO).
Most of the deaths blamed on Maria in Puerto Rico, according to researchers, resulted not from the physical impact of the hurricane, but rather because of the shortcomings in preparedness and response -- the lack of access to medical care; to dialysis treatment and diabetes medication, for example. Begnaud says there was not a single cot in a warehouse in Puerto Rico before Hurricane Maria struck.

OK, so let's get this straight. When was FEMA supposed to train these people before Maria hit? Remember that FEMA was already responding to hurricanes in Texas and Florida, and they were already stretched pretty thin. FEMA has something like 200 employees, and that doesn't go very far with 3 hurricanes. They have to hire contractors on an ad hoc basis. So what do you expect? Do they go out and hire a bunch of people in March and say, "OK, we're going to spend 6 months training you, and by the way you have to speak Spanish, because a bad hurricane is going to hit Puerto Rico"? I mean, seriously, what are you expecting to happen and how and why? And who pays for all that? They train them on the fly, because that's the only way they can do it. Hell, the contractors they hire here in Houston were learning on the job, and we got first crack at them because our storm was first. Florida took some of ours when Irma hit, and Puerto Rico had to make do with what was left. That's my point about lacking any dedicated response capability. We are nowhere close to having the capability to deal with three major hurricanes at once.

Most of the deaths from any hurricane result from shortcomings in preparation and response. Duh. You don't have many from the physical impact of the hurricane because, unless you have an idiot like Blanco in charge, everybody GTFO beforehand. It is a lot harder to GTFO of Puerto Rico than from the outer banks.

So whose responsibility is preparation and response? The 200 people who work for FEMA or the state and local people on the ground in PR? Who was responsible for having cots in warehouses in Puerto Rico? And once the storm hit and those cots weren't there, exactly what did you expect FEMA to do about it? And suppose there were cots. Who was supposed to pay for them? And who paid the rent on the warehouses?

You're acting as if everything required to respond just shows up magically and it all works fine and lasts a long time. It doesn't.

Exactly WTF do you expect? And who pays for it? Nobody has answered either of those so far.

With it being a state and local responsibility, the tendency is to spend nothing and hope the storm goes elsewhere. But storms of go somewhere, and so there needs to be some preparation somewhere.
09-12-2018 09:53 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JMUDunk Offline
Rootin' fer Dukes, bud
*

Posts: 29,612
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 1731
I Root For: Freedom
Location: Shmocation
Post: #83
RE: Our Dear Leader on huricanes
(09-12-2018 09:24 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 08:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 08:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  CBS News' David Begnaud, who has covered Maria's impact extensively, noted soon after the president's remarks that the government itself has admitted serious shortcomings in the response to the hurricane. More than half of the workforce -- 54 percent -- that FEMA sent to Puerto Rico lacked proper training, according to U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO).

Most of the deaths blamed on Maria in Puerto Rico, according to researchers, resulted not from the physical impact of the hurricane, but rather because of the shortcomings in preparedness and response -- the lack of access to medical care; to dialysis treatment and diabetes medication, for example. Begnaud says there was not a single cot in a warehouse in Puerto Rico before Hurricane Maria struck.

You guys need to stop with the idolizing and get real. He's a disaster. Pence would be worse. He can't say five words without a lie. You are the problem because the base has not turned on him.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-...best-ever/

Just stop.

Trump was President for less than 9 months when Maria hit. You seriously mean to tell me that you think in less than 9 months Trump completely ruined FEMA? You seriously think that FEMA was a 5 star agency up to January of 2017 then suddenly collapsed into incompetence?

Seems that if you REALLY want to point the finger, point it at Barry. He had 8 years to get FEMA "emergency ready" and didn't. Most of the people "in charge" were there long before Trump became President.

Trump Derangement Syndrome runs deep....

Thanks, I was just going to point all that out to him. Additionally PR had just been struck by Hurricane Irma two weeks prior and approximately 80,000 remained without power as Maria approached.

If there is any blame to be had it should be placed squarely on the local government of PR.

Let's see how quickly NC, SC and GA recover from this thing, and then we can see where the incompetence may lie.

Over/under on 3000 deaths from this thing and months of no power, donated food rotting in warehouses, water sitting on runways. Elected Pols making t-shirts, posturing and stealing from the funds granted.

I'll take the under.

We're gonna get whacked, no doubt. But, we'll be okay. 07-coffee3
09-13-2018 01:20 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TigerBlue4Ever Offline
Unapologetic A-hole
*

Posts: 72,724
Joined: Feb 2008
Reputation: 5817
I Root For: yo mama
Location: is everything
Post: #84
RE: Our Dear Leader on huricanes
(09-13-2018 01:20 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 09:24 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 08:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 08:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  CBS News' David Begnaud, who has covered Maria's impact extensively, noted soon after the president's remarks that the government itself has admitted serious shortcomings in the response to the hurricane. More than half of the workforce -- 54 percent -- that FEMA sent to Puerto Rico lacked proper training, according to U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO).

Most of the deaths blamed on Maria in Puerto Rico, according to researchers, resulted not from the physical impact of the hurricane, but rather because of the shortcomings in preparedness and response -- the lack of access to medical care; to dialysis treatment and diabetes medication, for example. Begnaud says there was not a single cot in a warehouse in Puerto Rico before Hurricane Maria struck.

You guys need to stop with the idolizing and get real. He's a disaster. Pence would be worse. He can't say five words without a lie. You are the problem because the base has not turned on him.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-...best-ever/

Just stop.

Trump was President for less than 9 months when Maria hit. You seriously mean to tell me that you think in less than 9 months Trump completely ruined FEMA? You seriously think that FEMA was a 5 star agency up to January of 2017 then suddenly collapsed into incompetence?

Seems that if you REALLY want to point the finger, point it at Barry. He had 8 years to get FEMA "emergency ready" and didn't. Most of the people "in charge" were there long before Trump became President.

Trump Derangement Syndrome runs deep....

Thanks, I was just going to point all that out to him. Additionally PR had just been struck by Hurricane Irma two weeks prior and approximately 80,000 remained without power as Maria approached.

If there is any blame to be had it should be placed squarely on the local government of PR.

Let's see how quickly NC, SC and GA recover from this thing, and then we can see where the incompetence may lie.

Over/under on 3000 deaths from this thing and months of no power, donated food rotting in warehouses, water sitting on runways. Elected Pols making t-shirts, posturing and stealing from the funds granted.

I'll take the under.

We're gonna get whacked, no doubt. But, we'll be okay. 07-coffee3

I find it incredibly ironic that an island in the middle of a hurricane prone area is far less prepared for one than those living in areas that may see a hurricane but are far less likely than PR to get hit by one.
09-13-2018 07:16 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
VA49er Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 29,083
Joined: Dec 2004
Reputation: 976
I Root For: Charlotte
Location:
Post: #85
RE: Our Dear Leader on huricanes
(09-12-2018 07:57 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 08:06 AM)fsquid Wrote:  What could they have done different in Puerto Rico?

He doesn't know, none of them know. All he knows is that Trump is evil and anything he does or doesn't do is wrong. He's full of shite and it's starting to spill out of his ears.

It's beginning to fall more and more on deaf ears. They have created their own Chicken Little effect and thanks to the continued nonsense.
09-13-2018 08:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BadgerMJ Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,025
Joined: Mar 2017
Reputation: 267
I Root For: Wisconsin / ND
Location: Wisconsin
Post: #86
RE: Our Dear Leader on huricanes
(09-13-2018 07:16 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(09-13-2018 01:20 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 09:24 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 08:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 08:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  CBS News' David Begnaud, who has covered Maria's impact extensively, noted soon after the president's remarks that the government itself has admitted serious shortcomings in the response to the hurricane. More than half of the workforce -- 54 percent -- that FEMA sent to Puerto Rico lacked proper training, according to U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO).

Most of the deaths blamed on Maria in Puerto Rico, according to researchers, resulted not from the physical impact of the hurricane, but rather because of the shortcomings in preparedness and response -- the lack of access to medical care; to dialysis treatment and diabetes medication, for example. Begnaud says there was not a single cot in a warehouse in Puerto Rico before Hurricane Maria struck.

You guys need to stop with the idolizing and get real. He's a disaster. Pence would be worse. He can't say five words without a lie. You are the problem because the base has not turned on him.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-...best-ever/

Just stop.

Trump was President for less than 9 months when Maria hit. You seriously mean to tell me that you think in less than 9 months Trump completely ruined FEMA? You seriously think that FEMA was a 5 star agency up to January of 2017 then suddenly collapsed into incompetence?

Seems that if you REALLY want to point the finger, point it at Barry. He had 8 years to get FEMA "emergency ready" and didn't. Most of the people "in charge" were there long before Trump became President.

Trump Derangement Syndrome runs deep....

Thanks, I was just going to point all that out to him. Additionally PR had just been struck by Hurricane Irma two weeks prior and approximately 80,000 remained without power as Maria approached.

If there is any blame to be had it should be placed squarely on the local government of PR.

Let's see how quickly NC, SC and GA recover from this thing, and then we can see where the incompetence may lie.

Over/under on 3000 deaths from this thing and months of no power, donated food rotting in warehouses, water sitting on runways. Elected Pols making t-shirts, posturing and stealing from the funds granted.

I'll take the under.

We're gonna get whacked, no doubt. But, we'll be okay. 07-coffee3

I find it incredibly ironic that an island in the middle of a hurricane prone area is far less prepared for one than those living in areas that may see a hurricane but are far less likely than PR to get hit by one.

That would require some level of personal responsibility and we can't POSSIBLY have that.......

Better to sit back, expect the government to "take care of it", then have a scapegoat when things don't go well.
09-13-2018 09:07 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
olliebaba Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 28,224
Joined: Jul 2007
Reputation: 2175
I Root For: Christ
Location: El Paso
Post: #87
RE: Our Dear Leader on huricanes
(09-13-2018 08:37 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 07:57 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 08:06 AM)fsquid Wrote:  What could they have done different in Puerto Rico?

He doesn't know, none of them know. All he knows is that Trump is evil and anything he does or doesn't do is wrong. He's full of shite and it's starting to spill out of his ears.

It's beginning to fall more and more on deaf ears. They have created their own Chicken Little effect and thanks to the continued nonsense.

Remember that PR is predominately Hispanic and as such is the land of maƱana too. I know because I'm hispanic and that's how we are. In fact, I have a meme that says, "If a man says he will fix it, he will. There is no need to remind him every 6 months."

Besides, being an armchair QB as Mach is you have to remember that PR is an island and as such is not as easy to get to like in the mainland. As far as I know there aren't any interstate highways to the island.
09-13-2018 08:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.