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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
I think you are more likely to see 3 conferences instead of one. The western group of the CUSA split to the WAC or MVC something like that. CUSA would be the east schools. Sun Belt would be its own. Few schools from the Sun Belt move to one of the others but not the entire group.
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(09-13-2018 12:49 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Just wait until the AAC contract comes in way below fans' expectations and we can throw them in the pot too. They cover the same geography and need to be part of the regional split. MWC and MAC are pretty well set for geography unless you want to put Marshall and Cincy in the MAC. This will be fun.

lol...you can hope, but I dont see that happening. Yes, if the AAC contract plummeted to CUSA levels--then AAC members might see a more regional conference as a viable option. However, the ratings numbers and the increases in the most recent MAC/CUSA/SB contracts would indicate a substantial increase in the AAC contract is in the cards. Keep in mind, Im not one who thinks 10-15 million a team is coming for the AAC. Im thinking 6-8 million a team is probably about where it will end up. 04-cheers
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(09-13-2018 11:38 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(09-13-2018 08:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...The CFP is a different bag of cookies. Who knows what happens there but if it results in the same net number of conferences and FBS schools may not be any significant issue.

This.

If a new conference is created, it will mean an existing conference has been raided beyond repair.

I've thought about this for years, and I believe the key school in all of this is UTEP. If UTEP has no invite for the MWC, Texas political pressure will be huge to keep those Texas CUSA schools together. This lends itself to the CUSA West exit strategy.

Without UTEP, the pull will be greater for some CUSA West schools to follow an MT/WKU/Marshall led grouping or to join the SBC.

(09-13-2018 12:42 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The UTEP to the MWC scenario would be great for UTEP fans but it won't happen with the MWC currently at 12. The 6 schools that could be the basis of a new C-USA west would be NMSU, UTEP, Texas St, UTSA, UNT and Rice. But that's only 6 and 8 are needed to be an FBS conference. If no other schools were willing to join that group then 2 FCS move ups would be needed or it's a no go.

Throwing all practicality out the window, you could make a pretty nice conference out of all the SBC/CUSA/indy schools in New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas.
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
For personal reasons I'd love a conference make up of:

Marshall
WKU
App
MTSU
CCU
GSU
GaSo
Troy
USA
USM

Good mix of FB/Baseball/Bball/Oly

I'd miss ArkSt but... I'd live.
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RE: The Great C-USA/Sunbelt Regional Split
(09-13-2018 04:03 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(09-13-2018 11:38 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(09-13-2018 08:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...The CFP is a different bag of cookies. Who knows what happens there but if it results in the same net number of conferences and FBS schools may not be any significant issue.

This.

If a new conference is created, it will mean an existing conference has been raided beyond repair.

I've thought about this for years, and I believe the key school in all of this is UTEP. If UTEP has no invite for the MWC, Texas political pressure will be huge to keep those Texas CUSA schools together. This lends itself to the CUSA West exit strategy.

Without UTEP, the pull will be greater for some CUSA West schools to follow an MT/WKU/Marshall led grouping or to join the SBC.

(09-13-2018 12:42 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The UTEP to the MWC scenario would be great for UTEP fans but it won't happen with the MWC currently at 12. The 6 schools that could be the basis of a new C-USA west would be NMSU, UTEP, Texas St, UTSA, UNT and Rice. But that's only 6 and 8 are needed to be an FBS conference. If no other schools were willing to join that group then 2 FCS move ups would be needed or it's a no go.

Throwing all practicality out the window, you could make a pretty nice conference out of all the SBC/CUSA/indy schools in New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas.

I think you could make a very Southwest Conference like core using UNT, Rice, UTSA, Texas St, and Arky St (thats the old SWC footprint). Add in LaTech, ULL, UAB, and S Miss---and you have a league that could have same very heated rivalries fairly quickly.
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(09-13-2018 05:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  That is why Lamar should be in the SBC, and boot UTA back to the WAC. Lamar would make a much better travel partner for Texas State. All I am seeing is that east vs west in the conference who they wanted to join. I bet the west schools would like Lamar or Sam Houston State if they can't have. In the future, I could see Central Oklahoma could be a target for a future FBS team. They could make another heavy populated parts of the state. That is in the future if UCO gets an invite to an FCS conference. Missouri Southern in Joplin could make another sense for their population. You might see some large cities that would love to make a lot of money from D1 fans playing their schools in all sports.

Lamar WAS in the Sun Belt. They left the Belt and did so on bad terms. Theres no interest on the part of the Belt in them returning. The Belt would take NMSU back before they added Lamar. EKU would get in before Lamar as well. Since both would join, theres little chance of Lamar getting an offer.
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(09-13-2018 01:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I think you are more likely to see 3 conferences instead of one. The western group of the CUSA split to the WAC or MVC something like that. CUSA would be the east schools. Sun Belt would be its own. Few schools from the Sun Belt move to one of the others but not the entire group.

I agree.

WAC - NMSU, TXST, UTSA, UTEP, UNT, Rice, LTU, USM
SBC - Troy, USA, Louisiana, ULM, Georgia St, Georgia So, FAU, FIU
USA - CCU, App St, UNCC, ODU, MU, WKU, MTSU, UAB
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(09-13-2018 05:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  That is why Lamar should be in the SBC, and boot UTA back to the WAC. Lamar would make a much better travel partner for Texas State. All I am seeing is that east vs west in the conference who they wanted to join. I bet the west schools would like Lamar or Sam Houston State if they can't have. In the future, I could see Central Oklahoma could be a target for a future FBS team. They could make another heavy populated parts of the state. That is in the future if UCO gets an invite to an FCS conference. Missouri Southern in Joplin could make another sense for their population. You might see some large cities that would love to make a lot of money from D1 fans playing their schools in all sports.

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(09-13-2018 06:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(09-13-2018 05:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  That is why Lamar should be in the SBC, and boot UTA back to the WAC. Lamar would make a much better travel partner for Texas State. All I am seeing is that east vs west in the conference who they wanted to join. I bet the west schools would like Lamar or Sam Houston State if they can't have. In the future, I could see Central Oklahoma could be a target for a future FBS team. They could make another heavy populated parts of the state. That is in the future if UCO gets an invite to an FCS conference. Missouri Southern in Joplin could make another sense for their population. You might see some large cities that would love to make a lot of money from D1 fans playing their schools in all sports.

Lamar WAS in the Sun Belt. They left the Belt and did so on bad terms. Theres no interest on the part of the Belt in them returning. The Belt would take NMSU back before they added Lamar. EKU would get in before Lamar as well. Since both would join, theres little chance of Lamar getting an offer.

None of that matters to DS since his realignmemt is done with computers and history books.
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(09-13-2018 05:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Missouri Southern in Joplin could make another sense for their population. You might see some large cities that would love to make a lot of money from D1 fans playing their schools in all sports.

Missouri Southern has won a total of 3 games in the last 4 seasons. Definitely a lot to cheer for there.
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(09-13-2018 06:53 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(09-13-2018 01:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I think you are more likely to see 3 conferences instead of one. The western group of the CUSA split to the WAC or MVC something like that. CUSA would be the east schools. Sun Belt would be its own. Few schools from the Sun Belt move to one of the others but not the entire group.

I agree.

WAC - NMSU, TXST, UTSA, UTEP, UNT, Rice, LTU, USM
SBC - Troy, USA, Louisiana, ULM, Georgia St, Georgia So, FAU, FIU
USA - CCU, App St, UNCC, ODU, MU, WKU, MTSU, UAB

Flip ULM and USM so it makes more geographic sense, La Tech can deal with it
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(09-13-2018 07:15 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(09-13-2018 05:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Missouri Southern in Joplin could make another sense for their population. You might see some large cities that would love to make a lot of money from D1 fans playing their schools in all sports.

Missouri Southern has won a total of 3 games in the last 4 seasons. Definitely a lot to cheer for there.

Missouri Southern isn't going D1. That is one of his pipe dreams. They share the market anyways with Pitt State, so it's really not that big.
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(09-13-2018 12:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I could also see the announcement of the east group' intention to defect triggering substantive talks between conferences and their membership that result in a more cooperative reorganization since it would be to everyone's benefit to maintain existing autobids.
But nobody would give assurance of that before the event, and the likelihood of CUSA-East defecting as a group without the assurance that their autobids will be taken care of are fairly low, because that is a reasonably coherent group that they play every year, and the gains they would make with the balance of their schedules and with non-revenue sport overheads IF everything works out are fairly modest.

And assumptions that "the NCAA won't fight this" are forgetting that the NCAA may well fight de facto changes that risk proliferation of Division 1 conferences and messing with the standing compromises on March Madness access. Some people may forget the point that when the NCAA did not enforce the current rule for the new Big East, not only was there the risk of a lawsuit ... but also the new conference included brand names in basketball where the autobid to March Madness would not annoy the P5.

Given a big payout, a group of schools might take the risk of the NCAA standing its ground and then winning an ensuing lawsuit ... but its less likely for a modest payout.
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(09-13-2018 07:17 PM)debragga Wrote:  Flip ULM and USM so it makes more geographic sense, La Tech can deal with it
Actually if this were ever to go down, I could see Louisiana (Lafayette) moving to the WAC in place of USM - less market duplication. I also realized I left out Arkansas State, but they could go in either the WAC or the Belt (thy like to recruit in Alabama, so they may prefer the Belt).

Obviously if UTEP and NMSU wind up in the same conference, then surely Tech and Monroe can do the same.
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(09-13-2018 01:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I think you are more likely to see 3 conferences instead of one. The western group of the CUSA split to the WAC or MVC something like that. CUSA would be the east schools. Sun Belt would be its own. Few schools from the Sun Belt move to one of the others but not the entire group.

Long-time administrator told me about 10 years ago that only two paths existed in the southeast for the non-AQ. Two mid-level regional leagues and entry league (ie. would take new members from FCS instead of other leagues) or one mid-level regional league and two regionally aligned entry leagues.

The second option is basically here except for the regional alignment.
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One thing we are forgetting is that basketball has a lot of value.

I'd say CUSA East +UAB, +Georgia St, +VCU, +Dayton might be as good as the current A10 in basketball.

Otherwise its hard to want to split and reconfigure for what will be most likely a 1 bid league.
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(09-14-2018 12:38 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  One thing we are forgetting is that basketball has a lot of value.

I'd say CUSA East +UAB, +Georgia St, +VCU, +Dayton might be as good as the current A10 in basketball.

Otherwise its hard to want to split and reconfigure for what will be most likely a 1 bid league.

It might be better than the current A-10 but VCU and Dayton don't want to become the red headed step child in a football league. I have doubts they'd go to the AAC for that reason, they certainly wouldn't join us.

CUSA-E + UAB is a good start for a decent league in bb/fb though. Add in the 2 GA schools App & JMU and call it a day for me.
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(09-12-2018 12:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I'd say let UMASS & Liberty stay independent.

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Every time I see a CUSA/Sunbelt reshuffle thread I think of this article from sports business daily.


A common-sense solution for conference realignment.
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour...nment.aspx

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(09-13-2018 02:12 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(09-12-2018 07:57 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  They should just take C-USA East and SBC East and make them a conference and same with the respective West divisions.

In actuality, it would probably take an agreement between C-USA East and C-USA West to agree to spin off one side of the league and then each of the new leagues to grab SBC or FCS schools that they want. Left behind would be the picked over remains of the SBC which would then need to go into a rebuilding phase. There's just too many SBC schools like ULM and Coastal Carolina that no one would want.

I like it!

CUSA West + SBC West = CUSA 12

CUSA East + SBC East = SBC 12

CUSA 12 West
North Texas
Rice
UTEP
Texas State
UTSA
Louisiana Tech

CUSA 12 East
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Southern Miss
South Alabama
UAB

SBC 12 North
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Old Dominion
Western Kentucky

SBC 12 South
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Troy
Florida Atlantic
FIU

CUSA 12 Non-Football
UTA
UALR

More regional fit with CUSA schools...

I like your alignment. However, I would make 3 changes to it:

1. What you call CUSA, I would call the SWC (Western based)
2. What you call the SBC, I would call CUSA (Eastern based)
3. These should be All Sport conferences and non-0football schools, UTA and UALR, should move to another conference.
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