(09-14-2018 01:16 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 09:55 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 08:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 08:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Revoke his damn passport and that puts an end to this nonsense.

And what if they Facetimed or Webex'd, etc?

Quote:John Kerry deserves jail for secret Iran diplomacy

Kerry is personally invested in the Iran nuclear deal (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA), from which President Trump walked away. The wisdom of Trump’s action is open to debate, but what is not is this: Trump won the 2016 election. He made clear during his campaign that he opposed the JCPOA, just like Obama made clear during his campaign that he supported outreach to Iran. There was no deception on either man's part. And Trump’s decision to walk away from the JCPOA is not illegal. Julie Frifield, assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs under Kerry, acknowledged the JCPOA was unsigned and “neither a treaty nor an executive agreement.” In other words, it had the same status as the Bush-era agreements with the Czech Republic and Poland for anti-missile defenses which Obama voided when he came to office.

There has been a temptation among polemicists on both the Right and Left to criminalize the policy debate, and this is unfortunate. But that does not mean anyone should get a free pass for what appears to be criminal activity. If Kerry wants to criticize Trump for walking away from the JCPOA, he is free to do so. And if he wants to plot and plan with Zarif, he can register as a foreign agent on behalf of Iran. But he should not remain above the law. To allow him to do so sets a horrible precedent for any future administration, for American democracy, and for coherence of U.S. policy. It is time both Kerry and the Justice Department understood that.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini...-diplomacy

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But correct me if I'm wrong, Kerry holds no position in our government and has no power to do really anything here, right?

If he's meeting with Iranian officials trying to salvage the Iran Deal that was done away with and has no position in our government or registered to negotiate for our government, he's in direct violation of the Logan Act. Basically he's negotiating an unauthorized deal for our government, possibly undermining the President of the United States since Trump withdrew form the deal that nobody signed.

That's my understanding.

If he has not position in our government, how can be negotiating anything binding in nature?

And has anyone ever been prosecuted under Logan?

Now. If he was negotiating with the Iranians about making youtube and facebook videos he would be in bbbbiiiiiiiiggggggg trouble.

(09-14-2018 03:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 01:16 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 09:55 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 08:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And what if they Facetimed or Webex'd, etc?

Quote:John Kerry deserves jail for secret Iran diplomacy

Kerry is personally invested in the Iran nuclear deal (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA), from which President Trump walked away. The wisdom of Trump’s action is open to debate, but what is not is this: Trump won the 2016 election. He made clear during his campaign that he opposed the JCPOA, just like Obama made clear during his campaign that he supported outreach to Iran. There was no deception on either man's part. And Trump’s decision to walk away from the JCPOA is not illegal. Julie Frifield, assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs under Kerry, acknowledged the JCPOA was unsigned and “neither a treaty nor an executive agreement.” In other words, it had the same status as the Bush-era agreements with the Czech Republic and Poland for anti-missile defenses which Obama voided when he came to office.

There has been a temptation among polemicists on both the Right and Left to criminalize the policy debate, and this is unfortunate. But that does not mean anyone should get a free pass for what appears to be criminal activity. If Kerry wants to criticize Trump for walking away from the JCPOA, he is free to do so. And if he wants to plot and plan with Zarif, he can register as a foreign agent on behalf of Iran. But he should not remain above the law. To allow him to do so sets a horrible precedent for any future administration, for American democracy, and for coherence of U.S. policy. It is time both Kerry and the Justice Department understood that.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini...-diplomacy

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But correct me if I'm wrong, Kerry holds no position in our government and has no power to do really anything here, right?

If he's meeting with Iranian officials trying to salvage the Iran Deal that was done away with and has no position in our government or registered to negotiate for our government, he's in direct violation of the Logan Act. Basically he's negotiating an unauthorized deal for our government, possibly undermining the President of the United States since Trump withdrew form the deal that nobody signed.

That's my understanding.

If he has not position in our government, how can be negotiating anything binding in nature?

And has anyone ever been prosecuted under Logan?

It's called undermining the current administration. How it all works is above me and my pay grade.

Very few people but if they can charge Mike Flynn while he's part of an incoming administration, then someone not part of the government is an excellent candidate.

(09-14-2018 03:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 01:16 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 09:55 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 08:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And what if they Facetimed or Webex'd, etc?

Quote:John Kerry deserves jail for secret Iran diplomacy

Kerry is personally invested in the Iran nuclear deal (Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA), from which President Trump walked away. The wisdom of Trump’s action is open to debate, but what is not is this: Trump won the 2016 election. He made clear during his campaign that he opposed the JCPOA, just like Obama made clear during his campaign that he supported outreach to Iran. There was no deception on either man's part. And Trump’s decision to walk away from the JCPOA is not illegal. Julie Frifield, assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs under Kerry, acknowledged the JCPOA was unsigned and “neither a treaty nor an executive agreement.” In other words, it had the same status as the Bush-era agreements with the Czech Republic and Poland for anti-missile defenses which Obama voided when he came to office.

There has been a temptation among polemicists on both the Right and Left to criminalize the policy debate, and this is unfortunate. But that does not mean anyone should get a free pass for what appears to be criminal activity. If Kerry wants to criticize Trump for walking away from the JCPOA, he is free to do so. And if he wants to plot and plan with Zarif, he can register as a foreign agent on behalf of Iran. But he should not remain above the law. To allow him to do so sets a horrible precedent for any future administration, for American democracy, and for coherence of U.S. policy. It is time both Kerry and the Justice Department understood that.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini...-diplomacy

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But correct me if I'm wrong, Kerry holds no position in our government and has no power to do really anything here, right?

If he's meeting with Iranian officials trying to salvage the Iran Deal that was done away with and has no position in our government or registered to negotiate for our government, he's in direct violation of the Logan Act. Basically he's negotiating an unauthorized deal for our government, possibly undermining the President of the United States since Trump withdrew form the deal that nobody signed.

That's my understanding.

If he has not position in our government, how can be negotiating anything binding in nature?

And has anyone ever been prosecuted under Logan?

No. We're just making a big deal of it because the dims were doing the same during the transition. Try to keep up.

So this thread was basically trolling whataboutism?