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https://spectator.org/an-affront-to-justice/

Several good subarticles in this link. But this thread is for the part midway down.

"Last week, Fox Business had an article about the increasing trend whereby major companies are no longer demanding college degrees for jobs which used to require them.

No diploma? No problem.

More and more companies are scrapping college degree requirements for jobs. They’re not saying you shouldn’t seek higher education, but not having a degree won’t be a barrier for you to work in certain jobs at their companies.

Some of the 15 big companies saying “no bachelor’s degree is fine” include Google, Nordstrom, Bank of America, Ernst & Young, IBM and Apple.

The changes are coming as job seekers, as well as high school graduates, consider whether college is worth the skyrocketing cost.

You’re going to hear more and more about this. It’s partially explained by the fact we’re in a serious labor shortage now, but not completely.

A significant piece to this trend is that colleges simply don’t prepare kids for employment the way they did 20 or 30 years ago. Talk to business owners, and they will pull their hair out over how often their straight-out-of-college new hires are completely lost when it comes to the culture of the workplace — the demands they make, the things they can’t handle, the inability to just shut up and do what they’re assigned, and so forth...."
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What's really going to hurt Universities is when someone develops a Netflix like education system. Where you can earn a degree on your time. Not on some professors schedule and not having to pay for classes that you simply don't need.
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(09-14-2018 03:40 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What's really going to hurt Universities is when someone develops a Netflix like education system. Where you can earn a degree on your time. Not on some professors schedule and not having to pay for classes that you simply don't need.

Joking right?

Those diploma mills already exist

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(09-14-2018 03:44 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(09-14-2018 03:40 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What's really going to hurt Universities is when someone develops a Netflix like education system. Where you can earn a degree on your time. Not on some professors schedule and not having to pay for classes that you simply don't need.

Joking right?

Those diploma mills already exist

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The Diploma Mills still have schedules and semesters etc.

If you could truly just earn it on your own schedule it would change the whole game.
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(09-14-2018 02:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectator.org/an-affront-to-justice/

Several good subarticles in this link. But this thread is for the part midway down.

"Last week, Fox Business had an article about the increasing trend whereby major companies are no longer demanding college degrees for jobs which used to require them.

No diploma? No problem.

More and more companies are scrapping college degree requirements for jobs. They’re not saying you shouldn’t seek higher education, but not having a degree won’t be a barrier for you to work in certain jobs at their companies.

Some of the 15 big companies saying “no bachelor’s degree is fine” include Google, Nordstrom, Bank of America, Ernst & Young, IBM and Apple.

The changes are coming as job seekers, as well as high school graduates, consider whether college is worth the skyrocketing cost.

You’re going to hear more and more about this. It’s partially explained by the fact we’re in a serious labor shortage now, but not completely.

A significant piece to this trend is that colleges simply don’t prepare kids for employment the way they did 20 or 30 years ago. Talk to business owners, and they will pull their hair out over how often their straight-out-of-college new hires are completely lost when it comes to the culture of the workplace — the demands they make, the things they can’t handle, the inability to just shut up and do what they’re assigned, and so forth...."

Thats likely quite true. However, I suspect its even more true of kids coming directly out of high school---so eliminating the degree requirement wont really help for most young workers. Who it will help is older more mature workers with good attitudes and plenty of smarts who perhaps couldnt pay for college or by passed it because it didnt interest them. That type of worker has largely been under appreciated and underpaid in the current employment landscape. Those folks have generally had to start their own small business in order to monetize their talent and work ethic.
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(09-14-2018 02:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectator.org/an-affront-to-justice/

Several good subarticles in this link. But this thread is for the part midway down.

"Last week, Fox Business had an article about the increasing trend whereby major companies are no longer demanding college degrees for jobs which used to require them.

No diploma? No problem.

More and more companies are scrapping college degree requirements for jobs. They’re not saying you shouldn’t seek higher education, but not having a degree won’t be a barrier for you to work in certain jobs at their companies.

Some of the 15 big companies saying “no bachelor’s degree is fine” include Google, Nordstrom, Bank of America, Ernst & Young, IBM and Apple.

The changes are coming as job seekers, as well as high school graduates, consider whether college is worth the skyrocketing cost.

You’re going to hear more and more about this. It’s partially explained by the fact we’re in a serious labor shortage now, but not completely.

A significant piece to this trend is that colleges simply don’t prepare kids for employment the way they did 20 or 30 years ago. Talk to business owners, and they will pull their hair out over how often their straight-out-of-college new hires are completely lost when it comes to the culture of the workplace — the demands they make, the things they can’t handle, the inability to just shut up and do what they’re assigned, and so forth...."

Because unemployment is so low it makes sense that employers may be hiring employees with no degree…
but without a degree I'd be concerned they will hit a ceiling the can't go higher than because they don't have a degree…
and I'd also be worried about what happens when the economy dips down (it will happen), layoffs come and employers start requiring degrees again as a weeding out tool.

Still very much worth it to get a degree in the right discipline and do it on a budget.
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(09-14-2018 05:45 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(09-14-2018 02:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectator.org/an-affront-to-justice/

Several good subarticles in this link. But this thread is for the part midway down.

"Last week, Fox Business had an article about the increasing trend whereby major companies are no longer demanding college degrees for jobs which used to require them.

No diploma? No problem.

More and more companies are scrapping college degree requirements for jobs. They’re not saying you shouldn’t seek higher education, but not having a degree won’t be a barrier for you to work in certain jobs at their companies.

Some of the 15 big companies saying “no bachelor’s degree is fine” include Google, Nordstrom, Bank of America, Ernst & Young, IBM and Apple.

The changes are coming as job seekers, as well as high school graduates, consider whether college is worth the skyrocketing cost.

You’re going to hear more and more about this. It’s partially explained by the fact we’re in a serious labor shortage now, but not completely.

A significant piece to this trend is that colleges simply don’t prepare kids for employment the way they did 20 or 30 years ago. Talk to business owners, and they will pull their hair out over how often their straight-out-of-college new hires are completely lost when it comes to the culture of the workplace — the demands they make, the things they can’t handle, the inability to just shut up and do what they’re assigned, and so forth...."

Because unemployment is so low it makes sense that employers may be hiring employees with no degree…
but without a degree I'd be concerned they will hit a ceiling the can't go higher than because they don't have a degree…
and I'd also be worried about what happens when the economy dips down (it will happen), layoffs come and employers start requiring degrees again as a weeding out tool.

Still very much worth it to get a degree in the right discipline and do it on a budget.

Its ok if some people have ceilings. Everyone can't be CEO. Millenials are notorious for not understanding that at 25 they don't know more than the CEOs and other top executives.
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With two teenagers in high school, I very much want them to go to college if that's what they want to do (and as of right now, that's what they want). They don't know what they want to study yet but my junior wants to go out of state and to a cold weather state for college so she can experience real winters. The sophomore wants to go to a school with big time college football so Alabama and Georgia are among the top of her list.

I'm fine with both of their thoughts but I need to get cracking on finding some scholarship money!
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(09-14-2018 08:09 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  With two teenagers in high school, I very much want them to go to college if that's what they want to do (and as of right now, that's what they want). They don't know what they want to study yet but my junior wants to go out of state and to a cold weather state for college so she can experience real winters. The sophomore wants to go to a school with big time college football so Alabama and Georgia are among the top of her list.

I'm fine with both of their thoughts but I need to get cracking on finding some scholarship money!

Standardized test scores (ACT and SAT) qualifies students for automatic scholarship money at some schools. It really is worth spending the money on really good private test prep if your kids are good students. Good test prep can't make up for what a student doesn't know but will teach them HOW to be good test takers.

A 30 on the ACT is usually the threshold for the decent scholarship $.

If your junior is not used to cold weather the "fun" of real winters might get old really fast
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(09-14-2018 03:44 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(09-14-2018 03:40 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What's really going to hurt Universities is when someone develops a Netflix like education system. Where you can earn a degree on your time. Not on some professors schedule and not having to pay for classes that you simply don't need.

Joking right?

Those diploma mills already exist

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