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(09-16-2018 06:13 PM)IR4CU Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 02:46 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I disagree that Dabo is a great teacher of the game. His strength as a coach has always been recruiting, PR, and hiring great assistants. It’s onviously worked tremendously for him and Clemson, but He’s never been a tactician or coaching mastermind and I think even most Clemson fans would tell you that.

I think that Dabo (along with his staff) do an above average job of player development but I certainly agree with the "tactician" part of your comment. As an ardent Clemson and college football fan but by no means a football genius, I would be willing to bet that I can correctly call the plays that Clemson will run at least 30% of the time - if I can do this, I am sure the DC's that Clemson faces can do much better.

As it stands after 3 weeks, I think the only team that could hang with Bama is UGA. But the good thing about college football is that things have a tendency to change over the course of a season so we will see what the landscape looks like come playoff time. Clemson has the talent to be a playoff team but they have been VERY inconsistent - at this point, I would have to say that they are ranked in the top 4 soley based on reputation/talent and not due to their performance. Part of this is due to Dabo's desire to play numerous 2nd and 3rd string players early and often in games - good for preparation down the road but does not lend itself to sharp execution on either side of the ball at this point in time. Currently (and with no improvement from how they have played so far) I can easily see them run the table but I can also easily see them lose 1 or 2 games.

On another note ...... I went to the Clemson/A&M game and was thoroughly impressed with A&M's fans and traditions. Despite the horrendous weather, this was easily the most enjoyable away college football game that I have attended in my 43 years of attending college football games. I have been to many places (including SEC venues such as UGA, UT, USC, & Mizzou) and none of them came close to what I experienced at A&M. The Aggie fans were absolutely the best group of fans that I have ever been around. The atmosphere at Kyle Field during the game was unbelievable. Kudos to Texas A&M!

Dabo has certainly done a fantastic job and is great at what he does

I’ve been meanin to get to College Station for some time now. That’ll probably be on the list for next year
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RE: Things That Stood Out To Me in Week #3:
(09-16-2018 09:22 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 07:50 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  B-10 can't keep recurits home or draw recurits in. weather is a factor,
ILLinois blows my mind, they can't keep anybody home, a factor for most schools in that conf
Minn, Neb, Iowa, Indiana, NJ, MD are to small to support top 10 fb programs

Most of Illinois' talent comes from Chicagoland, right? Technically, that seems to be more of Northwestern's, South Bend's, and maybe even Madison's territory than Champaign's. However, I am an SEC guy, so what do I know 04-cheers

Iowa and Indiana would be a lot better off it they were not sharing talent with Iowa State and Purdue (I did not include Notre Dame because they are their own creature that truly recruits nationally). However, such a setup would not make them top programs if other states followed suit. Imagine how silly talented Alabama, South Carolina, and Michigan would be if they did not share recruits with Auburn, Clemson, or Michigan State (or vice versa depending on your rooting allegiance).

There's a limited number of good high school football recruits coming out of the states of Iowa and Indiana. In the old days of no scholarship limitations and G5 schools having no exposure on TV those schools could rack up talent. Now, a decent recruit in the Midwest can go to a number of schools instead: why go to Indiana and get pounded by Michigan and Ohio State every year when you can go to Cincinnati, Louisville or Toledo and have a chance to win your conference most years? Your shot at getting into the NFL is pretty much equal at all those schools, maybe even better at the other options. Cincinnati and Louisville are cooler cities to live in than Lafayette, IN.

A lot of those second to lower tier B1G schools have a hard time recruit from other regions--- why would a kid from TX or Florida want to go to Bloomington, Indiana?
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WEEK 3:
It's Alabama's championship to lose..... Let's see if they stumble along the way to the playoffs.
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(09-16-2018 03:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  1. There is a boat load of mediocre to crappy teams across the nation.

I've realized for some years now that there is a problem that is passed up from high schools to universities, namely undeveloped, undisciplined, athletes for sure, but those who lack any understanding of the fundamentals of the game.

College coaches respond to this dilemma in the same way that many high school coaches do. They put the speed on the corners and in the backfield and the best arm or athlete at QB. Yes they can score and yes they will make some spectacular plays just from their athleticism. But the successful teams, the real winners, have coaches that do the extra work to teach the fundamentals that were once taught in grade school. They spend the time to teach discipline, personal discipline, and to develop the athletes as men who can keep their emotions in check, think through the game, and play within the team concept.

The problem is there are maybe two handfuls of coaches like that out there (probably less) spread out between the P5, G5, and FCS and some at the division level. They tend to be young coaches who have trained at the knee of the guys we now call control freaks. Or, they're old guys about to retire like Snyder and in a few years Saban, who have their skull sessions down to a fine art and who have learned to read the 5 star and 4 star kids when they are recruiting so that they don't waste much time with the unteachable. They not only know talent but know how to read people, especially young people.

Because of that Peterson, Saban, Snyder, and Meyer have stood out. And disciples of theirs like Dabo, Mullen, and Smart are having success as well. But the rest of the nation is putting hit or miss product on the field and it shows every week. But it shows in the work place and in education and in government as well. Those who value the young people enough to take the time and give the effort to teach them succeed and often while others less motivated get in the way.

Money gets into the success recipe because these kinds of coaches command a lot of it. Most of the rest are just warm bodies stealing money from athletic departments for a short span of years.

Because of the lack of total commitment to teach the game inside and out college football is suffering. Some of the performances are so unpolished that it's no longer fun to watch.

2. The mediocre to crappy teams represent the simple majority in almost every conference. So far the SEC has managed what looks to be 2 stellar teams, 3 or 4 good teams, and the rest fall into the mediocre range. We have 1 real stinker and a couple of others that are at best pedestrian. And guess what? That makes us look like world beaters.

3. The ACC has 1 stellar team, 2 maybe 3 good ones. The rest are mediocre to pedestrian, but only one maybe two are vying for being stinkers.

4. The Big 12 may have one stellar team, but it hard to determine because they have a couple of good teams and a couple of mediocre teams and their stinker is no longer playing like a stinker. I think the ACC and Big 12 are fairly close with regard to the 1 stellar and the good teams. I think the Big 12's mediocre teams are better than some of the ACC's mediocre teams and that they definitely have fewer stinkers.

5. The Big 10 may be one stellar team, but that team has shown enough weaknesses to perhaps simply qualify as the best of the good teams. They have a few good teams, but they have a broad range of schools that are mediocre to stinkers.

6. The PAC doesn't have a stellar team. Washington is very good, not as good as Ohio State, but very good. They have a couple of good teams, but for a conference of 12 they have 3/4's of the conference that is just plain mediocre to poor, but they don't seem to have a stinker unless Arizona stumbles into that role.

7. The time was when I watched some of almost every game on TV. It could be that I'm just old now, but I now seek out what are the good to stellar teams and watch bits of those games and I no longer waste much time on those who haven't really prepared anything for me to watch and enjoy.

8. We need to get back to teaching fundamentals in every aspect of life. Sports, grammar, science, mathematics, interpersonal skills, customer service, and especially in citizenship. If we want better lives we each need to be the best people we can be at everything we do. We no longer teach excellence. We learn how to get by and get our papers so we can schlep through our jobs until retirement.

If we want a better nation we must first be better people. It will absolutely improve everything.

9. I'd like to say that I can't wait for next weekends games. But I can. There will only be half a dozen or so worth watching.

Take care and have a great week. As always feel free to disagree or add anything you noticed. I'd be more excited if it were less obvious who 3 of the 4 CFP teams would be.

As efficiency expert W. Edwards Deming liked to point out, half of every group is below average. Well, except in Lake Wobegon. If you want pro performance, then tune in the NFL, but don't expect uniform excellence. By definition, half the teams in the NFL are also below average.
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NMSU, my alma matter, is really bad this year. That is what week 3 told me. 0-4, pretty impressive to be 0-4 . 55 PF and 179 PA. Ouch!
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RE: Things That Stood Out To Me in Week #3:
(09-17-2018 08:39 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 09:22 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 07:50 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  B-10 can't keep recurits home or draw recurits in. weather is a factor,
ILLinois blows my mind, they can't keep anybody home, a factor for most schools in that conf
Minn, Neb, Iowa, Indiana, NJ, MD are to small to support top 10 fb programs

Most of Illinois' talent comes from Chicagoland, right? Technically, that seems to be more of Northwestern's, South Bend's, and maybe even Madison's territory than Champaign's. However, I am an SEC guy, so what do I know 04-cheers

Iowa and Indiana would be a lot better off it they were not sharing talent with Iowa State and Purdue (I did not include Notre Dame because they are their own creature that truly recruits nationally). However, such a setup would not make them top programs if other states followed suit. Imagine how silly talented Alabama, South Carolina, and Michigan would be if they did not share recruits with Auburn, Clemson, or Michigan State (or vice versa depending on your rooting allegiance).

There's a limited number of good high school football recruits coming out of the states of Iowa and Indiana. In the old days of no scholarship limitations and G5 schools having no exposure on TV those schools could rack up talent. Now, a decent recruit in the Midwest can go to a number of schools instead: why go to Indiana and get pounded by Michigan and Ohio State every year when you can go to Cincinnati, Louisville or Toledo and have a chance to win your conference most years? Your shot at getting into the NFL is pretty much equal at all those schools, maybe even better at the other options. Cincinnati and Louisville are cooler cities to live in than Lafayette, IN.

A lot of those second to lower tier B1G schools have a hard time recruit from other regions--- why would a kid from TX or Florida want to go to Bloomington, Indiana?

On the other hand... why would a kid from the Texas Triangle (the trinagle between San Antonio, Ft. Worth, and Houston where 70% of Texans live) want to go to Stillwater or Lubbock?

Purdue and Illinois are MASSIVE schools. They have no trouble recruiting non-athletes and employees from around the country. Why would they have trouble recruiting athletes?

Part of it is a lack of institutional commitment to athletics. They're focused on academics (which is a good thing) so they don't invest in their athletic facilities.

For example: When I started grad school at Purdue in 2011, their non-revenue athletic facilities were comparable to my D-2 high school (since then, they've built some new facilities, but they're not as nice as UC's). Purdue didn't even have permanent lights at their football stadium until 2017.
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RE: Things That Stood Out To Me in Week #3:
(09-17-2018 09:26 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 08:39 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 09:22 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 07:50 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  B-10 can't keep recurits home or draw recurits in. weather is a factor,
ILLinois blows my mind, they can't keep anybody home, a factor for most schools in that conf
Minn, Neb, Iowa, Indiana, NJ, MD are to small to support top 10 fb programs

Most of Illinois' talent comes from Chicagoland, right? Technically, that seems to be more of Northwestern's, South Bend's, and maybe even Madison's territory than Champaign's. However, I am an SEC guy, so what do I know 04-cheers

Iowa and Indiana would be a lot better off it they were not sharing talent with Iowa State and Purdue (I did not include Notre Dame because they are their own creature that truly recruits nationally). However, such a setup would not make them top programs if other states followed suit. Imagine how silly talented Alabama, South Carolina, and Michigan would be if they did not share recruits with Auburn, Clemson, or Michigan State (or vice versa depending on your rooting allegiance).

There's a limited number of good high school football recruits coming out of the states of Iowa and Indiana. In the old days of no scholarship limitations and G5 schools having no exposure on TV those schools could rack up talent. Now, a decent recruit in the Midwest can go to a number of schools instead: why go to Indiana and get pounded by Michigan and Ohio State every year when you can go to Cincinnati, Louisville or Toledo and have a chance to win your conference most years? Your shot at getting into the NFL is pretty much equal at all those schools, maybe even better at the other options. Cincinnati and Louisville are cooler cities to live in than Lafayette, IN.

A lot of those second to lower tier B1G schools have a hard time recruit from other regions--- why would a kid from TX or Florida want to go to Bloomington, Indiana?

On the other hand... why would a kid from the Texas Triangle (the trinagle between San Antonio, Ft. Worth, and Houston where 70% of Texans live) want to go to Stillwater or Lubbock?

Purdue and Illinois are MASSIVE schools. They have no trouble recruiting non-athletes and employees from around the country. Why would they have trouble recruiting athletes?

Part of it is a lack of institutional commitment to athletics. They're focused on academics (which is a good thing) so they don't invest in their athletic facilities.

For example: When I started grad school at Purdue in 2011, their non-revenue athletic facilities were comparable to my D-2 high school (since then, they've built some new facilities, but they're not as nice as UC's). Purdue didn't even have permanent lights at their football stadium until 2017.

That's a fair point, although that is the case for Purdue. What about Indiana and Illinois? They have pretty nice facilities from things I have seen out there.
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(09-16-2018 01:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 01:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 03:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  3. The ACC has 1 stellar team, 2 maybe 3 good ones. The rest are mediocre to pedestrian, but only one maybe two are vying for being stinkers.

Yes, the bottom of the ACC has quietely upgraded itself. Duke and Wake used to be two of the worst A5 programs. Not anymore, e.g. Duke has beaten B1G and Big 12 opponents the past two weeks. Wake could surprise Notre Dame next week.

If Vandy hadn't turned it over in the red zone a couple of times they could have surprised them yesterday. Vandy's better too. But a 5 point win at home in which the game was in doubt until the end isn't very convincing of a top 10 rating now is it?

Notre Dame has been unimpressive since beating Michigan. If they are that way again this week, they could very well lose to Wake and then the problem of their top 10 ranking will solve itself.

If they keep managing to schlep by, though, well more power to them.
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(09-16-2018 01:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 12:52 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I suspect more players today than 30 years ago have learned the hard way to not trust their parents or the adults in their life. Non-custodial parents via either divorce on never being married or even living together. More exposure to addiction thanks to the meth epidemic that was basically immediately followed by the opioid epidemic. So you almost certainly know someone who is unreliable thanks to addiction, either not showing up because they are high, or in rehab, or in jail.

They've had to deal with coaches trying to exploit their talent since they were 7 or 8 years old with people recruiting them for teams all the way through high school and into college someone has tried to get them to cast their lot with their team.

Even if you have the same head coach your entire college career it is still unlikely that you will have the same position coach.

You have kids who have gone from classrooms where odds are something is broken (chair, light, heat, air, plumbing) and then "get a scholarship" and see what a fully equipped classroom looks like and you know that your athletic skill is the only reason you've been crowned to be there, they didn't want you because you were a student, they wanted you because you could shoot the three or haul in any pass close to you or you are fast and violent on defense.

When you concluded everyone around you is full of BS you aren't going to be consumed with loyalty and dedication to them, so if the fast talking coach who signed you has a crap day at the job why would you bust it for him? Why would you bust it for the guy hired to replace the guy who signed you, he's just a different fast talker.

This has created a faux parity.

A team that is "on paper" better gets beat by a G5 like happened with first year P5 coaches in Lincoln, San Diego, LA, and Fayetteville. IT's how Florida State can look even worse with a first year coach. PLayers don't trust a coach or don't buy in and they lose to teams that the recruiting rankings say they should beat.

There is truth in what you say, but the point is that they fail. At some point even the most socially jaded individuals have to act in their own self interest to advance. There has to be a desire to be the best coupled with an opportunity and of course the teach-ability and hard work to get there. The Michael Jordan's and Bo Jackson's of the world were not only extremely talented but driven so as not to let cynicism get in their way. But what they all would tell you is that they had at least one coach who helped them hone their skills and who taught them to think through the game, and even more importantly how not to let anything deviate them from the pursuit of excellence.

While I agree pretty much everyone acts in their own self-interest. What their self-interest is, isn't always what it used to be.

From age 8 through high school, good athletes always have the opportunity to go with a different team. Every youth league, AAU, junior high, and senior high coach has a story about a player poached away and if they are successful they have stories about doing their own poaching.

It's not 40-50 years ago when you played from youth ball to senior high with the same group of guys and toughed things out because the school district you lived in was the school district you attended and if you didn't like it your choices were stick with your buddies or quit playing ball.

In the season opener for AState, the starting QB was a transfer from OU (via juco), the two outside receivers were a transfer from Arkansas and one from Oklahoma (the OU kid broke his ankle in the first half and is done).

Last year AState faced Nebraska and the Huskers starting QB was a transfer from Tulane. The North Texas placekicker who put up fourteen points against Arkansas, was a transfer from Arkansas.

When you were being convinced most of your playing time to switch to a different team was in your best interest, the idea of bearing down and toughing out a bad situation is illogical, you've already been told what to do in that situation for the past ten years... transfer.
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(09-17-2018 09:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 01:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 01:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 03:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  3. The ACC has 1 stellar team, 2 maybe 3 good ones. The rest are mediocre to pedestrian, but only one maybe two are vying for being stinkers.

Yes, the bottom of the ACC has quietely upgraded itself. Duke and Wake used to be two of the worst A5 programs. Not anymore, e.g. Duke has beaten B1G and Big 12 opponents the past two weeks. Wake could surprise Notre Dame next week.

If Vandy hadn't turned it over in the red zone a couple of times they could have surprised them yesterday. Vandy's better too. But a 5 point win at home in which the game was in doubt until the end isn't very convincing of a top 10 rating now is it?

Notre Dame has been unimpressive since beating Michigan. If they are that way again this week, they could very well lose to Wake and then the problem of their top 10 ranking will solve itself.

If they keep managing to schlep by, though, well more power to them.


Well, Notre Dame has gone 13-3 in its last 16 games.

That mark includes a 35 point win versus Southern Cal, a New Years Day bowl win against LSU and a win against Michigan.

That trifecta makes me very happy.

(ND has gone 2-1 against the SEC in that time, the loss being by one point to Georgia)

The offense is sputtering, but so far...3-0 this year.

Just win, baby. I am not worried about style points.

Are they a Top Ten team? Time will tell, but likely not. More likely in the 11-15 range, I think.

I see very few impressive college football teams this season.

If ND continues to "schlep by" and win games like in 2012, well, that beats the alternative, I guess.
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I think by now I am now completely convinced of two things:

1. Outside of 10-20 programs CFB is in decline from a butts-in-seats perspective.
2. Outside of 10-20 programs CFB parity is much closer than years past.
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(09-17-2018 10:42 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 09:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 01:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 01:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 03:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  3. The ACC has 1 stellar team, 2 maybe 3 good ones. The rest are mediocre to pedestrian, but only one maybe two are vying for being stinkers.

Yes, the bottom of the ACC has quietely upgraded itself. Duke and Wake used to be two of the worst A5 programs. Not anymore, e.g. Duke has beaten B1G and Big 12 opponents the past two weeks. Wake could surprise Notre Dame next week.

If Vandy hadn't turned it over in the red zone a couple of times they could have surprised them yesterday. Vandy's better too. But a 5 point win at home in which the game was in doubt until the end isn't very convincing of a top 10 rating now is it?

Notre Dame has been unimpressive since beating Michigan. If they are that way again this week, they could very well lose to Wake and then the problem of their top 10 ranking will solve itself.

If they keep managing to schlep by, though, well more power to them.


Well, Notre Dame has gone 13-3 in its last 16 games.

That mark includes a 35 point win versus Southern Cal, a New Years Day bowl win against LSU and a win against Michigan.

That trifecta makes me very happy.

(ND has gone 2-1 against the SEC in that time, the loss being by one point to Georgia)

The offense is sputtering, but so far...3-0 this year.

Just win, baby. I am not worried about style points.

Are they a Top Ten team? Time will tell, but likely not. More likely in the 11-15 range, I think.

I see very few impressive college football teams this season.

If ND continues to "schlep by" and win games like in 2012, well, that beats the alternative, I guess.

A lot of verbiage here, none of which disagrees with what I said, LOL. 07-coffee3
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(09-17-2018 05:40 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If we look at each conference, here is my take.

AAC:
Memphis, UCF, USF, Temple, Navy, Cincinnati and Houston are the best teams.

ACC:
Clemson and Syracuse. The rest still look lousy or not face tougher competition yet.

Big 10:
Ohio State

Big 12:
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and West Virginia

C-USA:
North Texas

MAC:
Akron, Toledo

MWC:
Boise State, UNR, Hawaii, San Diego State and Fresno State

PAC 12:
Washington and Stanford

SEC:
Alabama and Georgia

SBC:
Troy

Independents:
BYU and Notre Dame

FCS:
NDSU, SDSU, James Madison

Now, if we look at the results, Big 12 seems to be the strongest conference right now. SEC is right up there. Big 10, PAC 12 and ACC laggers behind the AAC and MWC. What is the reason why G5 schools and FCS schools wind up beating P5 schools? The good players who could not get into the P5 schools that have a higher standards for ACT and SAT scores which a lot of players may not be able to pass. At the G5 and lower, except for the big academic schools, do not have the higher bar. Many of the good players go to G5 or FCS schools because it is easier to get into, or you could start right away. Even some players have been overlooked by P5 schools like Boise State's Kellen Moore. The good players are being spread out to all the schools where the blue blood schools are having issues of getting the right players to win with. Look at Arkansas? They have lost to teams that they should not have. i could think Arkansas State, UCA and even Arkansas Tech could beat them right now.

Wow, you took the bait that I was going to give but didn't have to.
Kellen Moore was not overlooked. Did you notice how atrocious he was in the pros? He was probably one of the worst in decades. In the pros, he had to face players from SEC, Big 12, etc. This should show you that Boise State is good solely because they don't consistently play good teams. Look at how they played this week. This was their chance to prove themselves and they failed, just like they usually do on the road against P5 opponents.
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(09-17-2018 02:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 10:42 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 09:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 01:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-16-2018 01:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, the bottom of the ACC has quietely upgraded itself. Duke and Wake used to be two of the worst A5 programs. Not anymore, e.g. Duke has beaten B1G and Big 12 opponents the past two weeks. Wake could surprise Notre Dame next week.

If Vandy hadn't turned it over in the red zone a couple of times they could have surprised them yesterday. Vandy's better too. But a 5 point win at home in which the game was in doubt until the end isn't very convincing of a top 10 rating now is it?

Notre Dame has been unimpressive since beating Michigan. If they are that way again this week, they could very well lose to Wake and then the problem of their top 10 ranking will solve itself.

If they keep managing to schlep by, though, well more power to them.


Well, Notre Dame has gone 13-3 in its last 16 games.

That mark includes a 35 point win versus Southern Cal, a New Years Day bowl win against LSU and a win against Michigan.

That trifecta makes me very happy.

(ND has gone 2-1 against the SEC in that time, the loss being by one point to Georgia)

The offense is sputtering, but so far...3-0 this year.

Just win, baby. I am not worried about style points.

Are they a Top Ten team? Time will tell, but likely not. More likely in the 11-15 range, I think.

I see very few impressive college football teams this season.

If ND continues to "schlep by" and win games like in 2012, well, that beats the alternative, I guess.

A lot of verbiage here, none of which disagrees with what I said, LOL. 07-coffee3

Of course Quo! That's what attorneys do when they don't have a case to make. Besides Terry D. is pretty sober on his annual expectations so a little hope is always in order.
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App State takes #10 Penn State to OT an nobody bats an eye.

Troy barely squeaks by a rebuilding Nebraska team with a walk on QB and everyone loses their minds.
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(09-17-2018 07:05 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  App State takes #10 Penn State to OT an nobody bats an eye.

Troy barely squeaks by a rebuilding Nebraska team with a walk on QB and everyone loses their minds.

You only have to win by one.





But you have to win.
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(09-17-2018 07:13 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 07:05 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  App State takes #10 Penn State to OT an nobody bats an eye.

Troy barely squeaks by a rebuilding Nebraska team with a walk on QB and everyone loses their minds.

You only have to win by one.





But you have to win.


This is why ties should be brought back. App State played even with them for the whole game and has nothing to show for it, pollsters also did not downgrade Perv State.


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(09-17-2018 09:04 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 07:13 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 07:05 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  App State takes #10 Penn State to OT an nobody bats an eye.

Troy barely squeaks by a rebuilding Nebraska team with a walk on QB and everyone loses their minds.

You only have to win by one.





But you have to win.


This is why ties should be brought back. App State played even with them for the whole game and has nothing to show for it, pollsters also did not downgrade Perv State.


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I'd love to see ties come back. It shorten the game and tells you if a coach really has confidence in his team or not. Those final few decisions tell you a lot when that clock is ticking down. Do they go for the win or the tie. Do they risk putting it in the air or keep to the ground. Does the D blitz or play safe. I've sat through some ties and they all feel different. When you are the underdog it's almost as good as a win. When you are the favorite you might as well have lost. I still believe there is definitely a place for a tie. And gambler's can't complain because that is what the half a point in the spread is there for.
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(09-17-2018 04:01 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  Kellen Moore was not overlooked. Did you notice how atrocious he was in the pros? He was probably one of the worst in decades.

Cherrypicking how one undrafted player did in the NFL to draw the conclusion a program couldn’t compete against big boys is....something.

Scoochpooch1 Wrote:In the pros, he had to face players from SEC, Big 12, etc. This should show you that Boise State is good solely because they don't consistently play good teams.
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(09-17-2018 09:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 09:04 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 07:13 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(09-17-2018 07:05 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  App State takes #10 Penn State to OT an nobody bats an eye.

Troy barely squeaks by a rebuilding Nebraska team with a walk on QB and everyone loses their minds.

You only have to win by one.





But you have to win.


This is why ties should be brought back. App State played even with them for the whole game and has nothing to show for it, pollsters also did not downgrade Perv State.


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I'd love to see ties come back. It shorten the game and tells you if a coach really has confidence in his team or not. Those final few decisions tell you a lot when that clock is ticking down. Do they go for the win or the tie. Do they risk putting it in the air or keep to the ground. Does the D blitz or play safe. I've sat through some ties and they all feel different. When you are the underdog it's almost as good as a win. When you are the favorite you might as well have lost. I still believe there is definitely a place for a tie. And gambler's can't complain because that is what the half a point in the spread is there for.

You play 60 minutes of football then play a gimmick mini game. Gus Malzahn would not have kicked the PAT against Jacksonville State because settling for a tie wouldn't have been acceptable.
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