(09-17-2018 06:32 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(09-16-2018 01:27 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Says the dynamic duo that cream their undies when someone connected with Trump pleads guilty to a parking ticket from 10 years ago.

That you think taking millions from Putin to weaken NATO is parking tickets is the problem. YOU are the problem. You guys need your heads examined. Quit being so tribal. Team over country. We have a traitor in the highest chair. Now that Manafort has flipped. We will find out what happened in that Trump Tower meeting.

Matter of time. Trump is a Russian Asset. Like I have said all along.

The fool on the hill....

It doesn’t matter how well this gets laid out, exposed and deconstructed some will still be howling at the moon.

So

SoMs

Should Trump have taken the Russian meeting on campaign dirt? Yes or No?

(09-17-2018 07:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So

SoMs

Should Trump have taken the Russian meeting on campaign dirt? Yes or No?

So what if he did. It’s no big deal yet the apoplectic left has the president committing treason. It’s all ridiculous. Hussein being born in Kenya had more evidence than this crap. Besides it was obviously a setup by the Clinton campaign and the Hussein administration. It’s already been laid out as plain as day. Maybe YOU should open your eyes and ask yourself ‘what is this all about?’

Another thirty seconds of my life I can’t get back....

(09-17-2018 07:10 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 07:01 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So

SoMs

Should Trump have taken the Russian meeting on campaign dirt? Yes or No?

So what if he did. It’s no big deal yet the apoplectic left has the president committing treason. It’s all ridiculous. Hussein being born in Kenya had more evidence than this crap. Besides it was obviously a setup by the Clinton campaign and the Hussein administration. It’s already been laid out as plain as day. Maybe YOU should open your eyes and ask yourself ‘what is this all about?’

Another thirty seconds of my life I can’t get back....

Thank You,

I can now put you on ignore. This will be our last correspondence because the scant attention I did pay to your ramblings has been confirmed as wasted. YES it is a very big deal if Trump used the GRU for opposition research. PATHETIC!

YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!

Mach

If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special prosecutor?

Tech,

For starters. National Security. Just that.

(09-17-2018 05:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Russia has been cultivating Trump for decades.

Bazaars ha ha ha.

You should do stand-up.

Really.

I’m on ignore so this fool won’t see it but if this is what it is today, we’ve come full circle lunacy.
Good thing is they can’t go back to Flynn. Scratch that one. Can’t go back to Popadoc. Scratch that one. Can’t go back to Paige. Scratch that one. Can’t go back to Gates. Scratch that one.
Fact is they keep striking out. Whatever. You just bring yourself down to the idiot level trying to talk sense into these fools.

(09-17-2018 09:13 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Tech,

For starters. National Security. Just that.

Special prosecutors are not in charge of national security, so I ask again.

If there was no evidence of Russian collusion, why did we need a special prosecutor?

FBI Departures:

James Comey, director (fired)
Andrew McCabe, deputy director (fired)
Peter Strzok, counterintelligence expert (fired)
Lisa Page, attorney (demoted; resigned)
James Rybicki, chief of staff (resigned)
James Baker, general counsel (resigned)
Mike Kortan, assistant director for public affairs (resigned)
Josh Campbell, special assistant to James Comey (resigned)
James Turgal, executive assistant director (resigned)
Greg Bower, assistant director for office of congressional affairs (resigned)
Michael Steinbach, executive assistant director (resigned)
John Giacalone, executive assistant director (resigned)

DOJ Departures:

Sally Yates, deputy attorney general (fired)
Bruce Ohr, associate deputy attorney general (twice demoted)
David Laufman, counterintelligence chief (resigned)
Rachel Brand, deputy attorney general (resigned)
Trisha Beth Anderson, office of legal counsel for FBI (demoted or reassigned*)
John P. Carlin, assistant attorney general (resigned)
Peter Kadzik, assistant attorney general, congressional liaison (resigned)
Mary McCord, acting assistant attorney general (resigned)
Matthew Axelrod, principal assistant to deputy attorney general (resigned)
Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney, SDNY (fired along with 45 other U.S. Attorneys)
Sharon McGowan, civil rights division (resigned)
Diana Flynn, litigation director for LGBTQ civil rights (resigned)
Vanita Gupta, civil rights division (resigned)
Joel McElvain, assistant branch director of the civil division (resigned)

Quote:The special counsel was given the counterintelligence investigation of Russia. That investigation itself was real, but its assignment to Mueller was camouflage, because a counterintelligence investigation does not need a prosecutor. For Mueller, the Russia counterintelligence probe was cover to conduct a criminal investigation of Trump in the absence of grounds to believe a crime had occurred.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/t...plication/

Quote:After 9/11, The Wall came down. Its razing was endorsed by such experienced hands as your humble correspondent. We argued that it was ridiculous to believe the FBI would pretextually use FISA to conduct a criminal investigation. Many times I posited that, even if we assume a rogue agent, it would be far easier for the rogue to fabricate the evidence needed to get a criminal wiretap than to fabricate a national-security angle so he could use FISA. I insisted that if the rogue tried to go the FISA route, he’d never get away with it. FISA requires too many levels of scrutiny in the upper ranks of the FBI and the Justice Department — responsible superiors who would stop the rogue in his tracks.

I was wrong.

What I didn’t factor in was the possibility that, for political reasons, the upper ranks of the FBI and Justice Department would do an investigation by themselves. That should never happen. The bosses are supposed to be the cooler heads, with detachment from on-the-ground investigation. They are there to enforce guidelines and prevent abuse, to police investigations, not conduct them.

But in the Trump investigation, headquarters became the investigator. And just as an investigator is tempted to keep his supervisors in the dark when he is doing something he shouldn’t do, the Obama Justice Department and FBI withheld information about the Trump investigation from Congress — even though the “Gang of Eight” was supposed to receive quarterly briefings on sensitive matters. They withheld essential information from the FISA court about the source of their information (the Clinton campaign), and about the apparent dishonesty and deep bias of their main witness (Christopher Steele), even as they presented unverified allegations to the FISA court, flouting FBI guidelines. Headquarters exists to prevent investigators, who sometimes get too invested in their cases, from cutting such corners. But here, headquarters was its own supervisor. Such arrangements tend not to end well.

This is why this situation SCREAMS for a special prosecutor. Who else is going to investigate and possibly indict FBI and DOJ upper brass? Do not count on the likes of Shifty to get that job done.

Lets put this in terms that even Mach should understand...

The whole FBI
The whole CIA
The whole never Trump Republicans
The whole Democrat party
The whole US media
The whole US Congress
The whole US Senate

have spent most likely close to 100 million dollars and 10 of thousands of man hours and with every connection know to man

And there is still no proof President Trump had any connect to Russia and this election. Now let that sink in for a second..the most powerful forces in the world have used every resource at their finger tips...ZIP. The media with connections around the globe....ZIP.
A unlimited amount of dollars spent....ZIP. Over two years of digging....ZIP

If that much attention was brought on any person on this forum ....each and everyone of us would be in a federal prison by now and made to look dirty as hell. I dont care how clean you think you lived your life....

if the whole US government investigated us as close as they have this President and the media reported every little rumor without fact checking. Any of us would look like a Russia spy and as dirty as Dillinger.

Yet....ZIP on this President

Listen, know Communist supporter Brennan likely orchestrated the entire fake !RUSSIA! collusion idea when he told well-known Twitter personality James Comey to brief the President on the fake dossier.



That's why there is no there, there.

(09-16-2018 01:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-16-2018 09:15 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

Quote:“It’s a reflection of us still not knowing,” Page told Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas) when questioned about texts she and Strzok exchanged in May 2017 as Robert Mueller was being named a special prosecutor to take over the Russia investigation.

With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.

Page opined further, acknowledging “it still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing” to connect Trump and Russia, no matter what Mueller or the FBI did.

“As far as May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” she said at another point.

Shortly after he was fired, ex-FBI Director James Comey told the Senate there was not yet evidence to justify investigating Trump for colluding with Russia. “When I left, we did not have an investigation focused on President Trump,” Comey testified.

And Strzok, the counterintelligence boss and leader of the Russia probe, texted Page in May 2017 that he was reluctant to join Mueller’s probe and leave his senior FBI post because he feared “there’s no big there, there.”

So, by the words of Comey, Strzok and Page, we now know that the Trump Justice Department — through Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — unleashed the Mueller special prosecutor probe before the FBI could validate a connection between Trump and Russia.

Which raises the question: If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special prosecutor?

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/406881-...re-mueller

Or what was the evidence used to get a FISA warrant on Trump campaign? ..and furthermore----why were those FISA warrants renewed multiple times?

What FISA warrant on the trump campaign?

(09-17-2018 09:00 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  Mach

If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special prosecutor?

How many times do I have to tell you this before you actually begin to understand it?

Quote:APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

Even the left's high priest of journalism can't find collusion.

Wooward can't find Trump-Russia collusion either

(09-17-2018 01:56 PM)Claw Wrote:  Even the left's high priest of journalism can't find collusion.

Wooward can't find Trump-Russia collusion either

Well then. Case closed.

(09-16-2018 12:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So that’s how you guys are going to spin it huh. They never would have found this out if Mueller wasn’t appointed. Interesting defense.....sure.

Found what out, exactly?

That there was no collusion? They coulda just bought me a case of Miller Lite and I coulda told them that. Bookface ads... M'gosh, Sheer stupidity.

(09-17-2018 06:32 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(09-16-2018 01:27 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Says the dynamic duo that cream their undies when someone connected with Trump pleads guilty to a parking ticket from 10 years ago.

That you think taking millions from Putin to weaken NATO is parking tickets is the problem. YOU are the problem. You guys need your heads examined. Quit being so tribal. Team over country. We have a traitor in the highest chair. Now that Manafort has flipped. We will find out what happened in that Trump Tower meeting.

Matter of time. Trump is a Russian Asset. Like I have said all along.

Please don't hold your breath. I kinda like you most days.

So we took millions? You got a good source for that? If I recall in the NATO meeting Trump called out Merkle for taking Russian oil then crying cause they may want to invade and Germany doesn't pay a fair share nor has a strong military and was calling for NATo for protection. Maybe I remember wrong.