(09-21-2018 02:48 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Saint Louis and Dayton, IMO, will be in the Big East eventually. They are like-minded peers, have similar athletic programs, have new facilities and have great support (SLU - media market; UD - fan base). Having said that, both schools are not going anywhere. I would not be shocked to see them added in advance of the next TV deal (which would offer more content, more markets and more games within the conference tournament at MSG, which both fan bases have strong alumni in NYC). SLU has invested heavily in Ford (who has done outstanding in recruiting) and Dayton is undergoing a massive arena renovation. I don't think either would have done so without getting certain assurances from the Big East, IMO.

I'd be shocked if either school has received anything in the way of assurances about an eventual invite, and taking it a step further I'd be very surprised if the Big East went to 12 anytime soon. My read on things from the outside is that the Big East is very pleased with the double round robin format and the eventual setup is 11 members and 20 games. I think it's more likely the two schools know there's only one remaining seat at the table and are looking to position themselves as favorably as possible.

(09-21-2018 06:28 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 06:04 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  For at least the 77th time, Colorado Mesa is NOT, repeat NOT interested in going D1 in any way shape or form.


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This is a DavidSt fantasy thread. He will continue to ignore us and write his fiction.

Yet no one does anything about them.........

(09-21-2018 09:37 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 06:28 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 06:04 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  For at least the 77th time, Colorado Mesa is NOT, repeat NOT interested in going D1 in any way shape or form.


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This is a DavidSt fantasy thread. He will continue to ignore us and write his fiction.

Yet no one does anything about them.........

Because a lot of people believe the board would suffer without him. It's fine when he posts his own threads like this one, but when he hijacks a completely random thread to post a novel about how every D2 school will eventually move up to FBS, and then proceeds to gloat about how 2% of his predictions have been right is when it becomes a problem.

(09-21-2018 06:38 PM)Chuck A Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 06:53 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Horizon League 10 could lose 4



20,000+
Wayne State, Michigan 27,298 Horizon League
Grand alley State 25,460 Horizon League

10,000+
Purdue U.-Northwest 15,286 Horizon
Ferris State 14,187 Horizon
UMSL 17,014 Horizon/OVC

Large privates or key schools.

Davenport 7594 Horizon
Maryville 6838 Horizon
Lindenwood 9357 Horizon

DavidSt, you really need your own sports TV segment...not for informational purposes, but for the sheer asinine, otherworldly nonsense that you spew!

If you searched the number of times each username was mentioned, he’d probably have more than every other poster combined. So a DavidSt-themed sports segment would draw great ratings.

This thread is about which schools could be a target in case of a large shake up is do. Big shake ups have happened before in the past on where schools move to. You had 2 year and 4 year schools in the same conference at one time. The first big shake up started in 1937 when schools break away for the NAIA. Then, small colleges and universities. Then Divisions 1, 2, 3, and now FCS and FBS. The next big shake up would be split 1A and 1AA for all sports. No more 1AAA for non-football schools.

16 is the limit in football if the conference is playing a two division set up with 8 games. That gives you 7 divisional games and 1 crossover.

MWC has seriously considered dipping into Texas for Rice and UTEP. That may make sense from a TV $$$ perspective to go to 14 and move Boise to the pacific division. Going to 16 however is probably too much.

CUSA then goes to 16 with Texas St, Arkansas St, Louisiana and Georgia St. Tightens up geography and hits the Belt hard. 16 might be worth it for them.

SBC I don't think moves to 12 unless it can get UTA/UALR to start up football. They may have to bite the Liberty bullet at some point to stay in business. Chattanooga should be considered for the conference. Could there be a northern division with EKU, Chattanooga, App St and Liberty at some point possibly.

SBC could go from a Louisiana-Arkansas based conference to one with a footprint that mirrors the Southern Conference.

I'd say the ASun is in potential danger. The WAC has enough tumbleweed out west to sustain it. Horizon could destabilize the Summit with a big expansion.

That is what I would like to see is the ASun and Summit absorbed getting D1 back to 30 conferences.

(09-22-2018 09:07 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I'd say the ASun is in potential danger. The WAC has enough tumbleweed out west to sustain it. Horizon could destabilize the Summit with a big expansion.

That is what I would like to see is the ASun and Summit absorbed getting D1 back to 30 conferences.

I suspect the Summit is on much stronger footing than they tend to get credit for. Turning into Conference Dakotas was the smartest thing they could have done, and with those four main State U's plus UNO and Denver they've got a pretty stable core. They might lose a member or two on their periphery down the line, but if they really needed schools I suspect they could dislodge all of UMKC/UVU/Seattle from the WAC if they really wanted to.

(09-22-2018 09:07 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  16 is the limit in football if the conference is playing a two division set up with 8 games. That gives you 7 divisional games and 1 crossover.

MWC has seriously considered dipping into Texas for Rice and UTEP. That may make sense from a TV $$$ perspective to go to 14 and move Boise to the pacific division. Going to 16 however is probably too much.

CUSA then goes to 16 with Texas St, Arkansas St, Louisiana and Georgia St. Tightens up geography and hits the Belt hard. 16 might be worth it for them.

SBC I don't think moves to 12 unless it can get UTA/UALR to start up football. They may have to bite the Liberty bullet at some point to stay in business. Chattanooga should be considered for the conference. Could there be a northern division with EKU, Chattanooga, App St and Liberty at some point possibly.

SBC could go from a Louisiana-Arkansas based conference to one with a footprint that mirrors the Southern Conference.

I'd say the ASun is in potential danger. The WAC has enough tumbleweed out west to sustain it. Horizon could destabilize the Summit with a big expansion.

That is what I would like to see is the ASun and Summit absorbed getting D1 back to 30 conferences.

MWC has no interest in UTEP and Rice. They already have San Jose as the conference anchor, don’t need another pair of them. I think they would like to go to Texas, but need winning programs. They already moved on from UTEP.


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To me the five most vulnerable conferences are as follows:

1) WAC - no surprise here. Everyone wants out. The only good thing for the WAC is no one is really a great candidate to go anywhere in the short term.

2) Summit League - The Dakota-Omaha-Denver core will tough it out, but the lack of a cohesive sports mix may cause the rest of the conference to crumble around them.

3) Atlantic Sun - See #2, but substitute the Florida schools for the Dakota/Omaha/Denver core. Sports mix is actually pretty solid, but everyone ultimately has different goals.

4) Big 12 - the Big 12 pretty much has to be destroyed in a way that guarantees everyone a safe landing, but we have already seen that other conferences were at least willing to consider paying the price.

5) The American - The American would be the likely victim of a Big 12 raid. Schools like Baylor, Kansas State, or Iowa State will likely rebuild the Big 12 with schools like Cincinnati, Memphis, and UCF.

(09-22-2018 01:27 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  To me the five most vulnerable conferences are as follows:

1) WAC - no surprise here. Everyone wants out. The only good thing for the WAC is no one is really a great candidate to go anywhere in the short term.

2) Summit League - The Dakota-Omaha-Denver core will tough it out, but the lack of a cohesive sports mix may cause the rest of the conference to crumble around them.

3) Atlantic Sun - See #2, but substitute the Florida schools for the Dakota/Omaha/Denver core. Sports mix is actually pretty solid, but everyone ultimately has different goals.

4) Big 12 - the Big 12 pretty much has to be destroyed in a way that guarantees everyone a safe landing, but we have already seen that other conferences were at least willing to consider paying the price.

5) The American - The American would be the likely victim of a Big 12 raid. Schools like Baylor, Kansas State, or Iowa State will likely rebuild the Big 12 with schools like Cincinnati, Memphis, and UCF.

But you forgot about the Great Northern Conference.


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(09-22-2018 09:07 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  16 is the limit in football if the conference is playing a two division set up with 8 games. That gives you 7 divisional games and 1 crossover.

MWC has seriously considered dipping into Texas for Rice and UTEP. That may make sense from a TV $$$ perspective to go to 14 and move Boise to the pacific division.

What TV network is going to pay you MORE money for those 2??

(09-22-2018 01:15 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 09:07 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  16 is the limit in football if the conference is playing a two division set up with 8 games. That gives you 7 divisional games and 1 crossover.

MWC has seriously considered dipping into Texas for Rice and UTEP. That may make sense from a TV $$$ perspective to go to 14 and move Boise to the pacific division. Going to 16 however is probably too much.

CUSA then goes to 16 with Texas St, Arkansas St, Louisiana and Georgia St. Tightens up geography and hits the Belt hard. 16 might be worth it for them.

SBC I don't think moves to 12 unless it can get UTA/UALR to start up football. They may have to bite the Liberty bullet at some point to stay in business. Chattanooga should be considered for the conference. Could there be a northern division with EKU, Chattanooga, App St and Liberty at some point possibly.

SBC could go from a Louisiana-Arkansas based conference to one with a footprint that mirrors the Southern Conference.

I'd say the ASun is in potential danger. The WAC has enough tumbleweed out west to sustain it. Horizon could destabilize the Summit with a big expansion.

That is what I would like to see is the ASun and Summit absorbed getting D1 back to 30 conferences.

MWC has no interest in UTEP and Rice. They already have San Jose as the conference anchor, don’t need another pair of them. I think they would like to go to Texas, but need winning programs. They already moved on from UTEP.


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If UTEP gets their basketball and football programs going, they can be a strong candidate for MWC expansion. They can average 10/40k. Who else out there has done that?

(09-22-2018 04:57 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 01:15 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 09:07 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  16 is the limit in football if the conference is playing a two division set up with 8 games. That gives you 7 divisional games and 1 crossover.

MWC has seriously considered dipping into Texas for Rice and UTEP. That may make sense from a TV $$$ perspective to go to 14 and move Boise to the pacific division. Going to 16 however is probably too much.

CUSA then goes to 16 with Texas St, Arkansas St, Louisiana and Georgia St. Tightens up geography and hits the Belt hard. 16 might be worth it for them.

SBC I don't think moves to 12 unless it can get UTA/UALR to start up football. They may have to bite the Liberty bullet at some point to stay in business. Chattanooga should be considered for the conference. Could there be a northern division with EKU, Chattanooga, App St and Liberty at some point possibly.

SBC could go from a Louisiana-Arkansas based conference to one with a footprint that mirrors the Southern Conference.

I'd say the ASun is in potential danger. The WAC has enough tumbleweed out west to sustain it. Horizon could destabilize the Summit with a big expansion.

That is what I would like to see is the ASun and Summit absorbed getting D1 back to 30 conferences.

MWC has no interest in UTEP and Rice. They already have San Jose as the conference anchor, don’t need another pair of them. I think they would like to go to Texas, but need winning programs. They already moved on from UTEP.


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If UTEP gets their basketball and football programs going, they can be a strong candidate for MWC expansion. They can average 10/40k. Who else out there has done that?

That is a huge if, the basketball program has dropped off the planet in recent years, and football has sucked.....forever. Also agree on what network is going to pay for them?


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(09-21-2018 11:24 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:27 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The AAC, which is effectively the old Big East Football Conference USA, will always be at risk for losing members to a power conference. However, the difference today is that I feel like that is widely accepted by each of the members (where BE Football members were split on keeping league together or moving on to another conference).

Fixed. Otherwise, yea, all the Big East has to do at this point is keep chugging along in basketball and see if it can wait out UConn, with the knowledge that if UConn doesn't come back Saint Louis will still be sitting there whenever.

Big East could just pay the state of Connecticut something like $70M (my guess on the remainder of the bonds for The Rent), I'm sure UCONN could go back with no hassle from the government.

(09-23-2018 03:28 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 11:24 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:27 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  The AAC, which is effectively the old Big East Football Conference USA, will always be at risk for losing members to a power conference. However, the difference today is that I feel like that is widely accepted by each of the members (where BE Football members were split on keeping league together or moving on to another conference).

Fixed. Otherwise, yea, all the Big East has to do at this point is keep chugging along in basketball and see if it can wait out UConn, with the knowledge that if UConn doesn't come back Saint Louis will still be sitting there whenever.

Big East could just pay the state of Connecticut something like $70M (my guess on the remainder of the bonds for The Rent), I'm sure UCONN could go back with no hassle from the government.

There's nothing saying football has to go in any Big East scenario.