(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range.

You are on a roll today.
We would be paying more if not for the Texas payments. We were paying WT 1.7 million before bonuses. We are paying Charlie Strong 2.5 million next year

"The Bulls will pay Strong — dismissed as Texas coach in November after three seasons — only $1 million in total compensation for the first two years of a heavily backloaded five-year contract.

As a result, Texas still must pay Strong more than $9 million over the next two years. His deal with the Longhorns called for UT to still pay him slightly more than $5 million a year in 2017 and '18 but to receive an amount equal to half his annual compensation at any new job he landed during that period.

But because Strong's USF contract — released Tuesday upon a Tampa Bay Times public records request — pays him very modestly up front ($500,000 base salary plus $500,000 in other compensation in 2017 and '18), Strong still collects most of the money due him from the Longhorns.

Strong's annual compensation from USF jumps to $2.5 million in 2019 — after Texas' financial obligation to him ends — and increases by $100,000 each of the final two years.

Similarly, Strong's salary pool for his assistants begins modestly, at $1.66 million in 2017, but grows to $3.4 million by the contract's final year."

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/...rs/2306201

But you go ahead and just make up your own ****

(10-03-2018 01:47 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range.

You are on a roll today.
We would be paying more if not for the Texas payments. We were paying WT 1.7 million before bonuses. We are paying Charlie Strong 2.5 million next year

"The Bulls will pay Strong — dismissed as Texas coach in November after three seasons — only $1 million in total compensation for the first two years of a heavily backloaded five-year contract.

As a result, Texas still must pay Strong more than $9 million over the next two years. His deal with the Longhorns called for UT to still pay him slightly more than $5 million a year in 2017 and '18 but to receive an amount equal to half his annual compensation at any new job he landed during that period.

But because Strong's USF contract — released Tuesday upon a Tampa Bay Times public records request — pays him very modestly up front ($500,000 base salary plus $500,000 in other compensation in 2017 and '18), Strong still collects most of the money due him from the Longhorns.

Strong's annual compensation from USF jumps to $2.5 million in 2019 — after Texas' financial obligation to him ends — and increases by $100,000 each of the final two years.

Similarly, Strong's salary pool for his assistants begins modestly, at $1.66 million in 2017, but grows to $3.4 million by the contract's final year."

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/...rs/2306201

But you go ahead and just make up your own ****

So the big east money runs out at the same time strong’s salary increases by 1.5 mil. That’ll be a fun time

(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range. They aren't going to magically make up the difference when Texas stops paying him.

It sure as heck is. Charlie Strong's salary goes to 2.5M next year, then 2.6M and 2.7M in the final 2 years of contract.

The ONLY reason it's 1M this year is because of his 4.5M Texas buyout. Next 3 years, he basically has THE highest salary in the AAC (as well as probably the largest assistant coach salary pool of 3.4M).

(10-03-2018 01:32 PM)Doglando Wrote:  The phillip montgomery salary is from before the paycut, correct?

He was hired at a little over a million. It was bumped with the extension till 2022. Like Strong's contract at USF it grows a little each year further into it. He should have made about 1.7 this year 1.75-1.8 next year, etc. That doesn't count bowl, top 25 bonuses which he doesn't seem to be on track to get any way.

His pay cut basically took him back to his original bump up from 1.3 to 1.5ish in 2016.

(10-03-2018 12:41 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  48. Memphis, Mike Norvell $2,600,000
58. Navy, Ken Niumatalolo $2,163,000
60. Cincinnati, Luke Fickell, $2,000,000
67. Houston, Major Applewhite $1,750,000
69. UCF, Josh Heupel $1,700,000
71. Tulane, Willie Fritz $1,629,000
73. Tulsa, Phillip Montgomery $1,518,177
78. ECU, Scottie Montgomery $1,102,500
80. UConn, Randy Edstall, $1,100,000
82. South Florida, Charlie Strong, $2,600,000

Average - $1596,267.70

Temple did not report. Not bad for the AAC. 3 Coaches paid higher than the next highest G5 and our average is way higher than all theirs.


Link

FIFY (The average of Strong's salary the next 3 years: 2.5M, 2.6M, and 2.7M per his actual contract).

(10-03-2018 02:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range. They aren't going to magically make up the difference when Texas stops paying him.

It sure as heck is. Charlie Strong's salary goes to 2.5M next year, then 2.6M and 2.7M in the final 2 years of contract.

The ONLY reason it's 1M this year is because of his 4.5M Texas buyout. Next 3 years, he basically has THE highest salary in the AAC (as well as probably the largest assistant coach salary pool).

Okay. Its skewed slightly. I didn't realize they were giving him such a huge pay raise the same year they lose the war chest money.

(10-03-2018 02:13 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 02:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range. They aren't going to magically make up the difference when Texas stops paying him.

It sure as heck is. Charlie Strong's salary goes to 2.5M next year, then 2.6M and 2.7M in the final 2 years of contract.

The ONLY reason it's 1M this year is because of his 4.5M Texas buyout. Next 3 years, he basically has THE highest salary in the AAC (as well as probably the largest assistant coach salary pool).

Okay. Its skewed slightly. I didn't realize they were giving him such a huge pay raise the same year they lose the war chest money.

Well hopefully we've getting more TV dollars soon, for everyone's sake. Otherwise, yes, it's a big hit.

(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range. They aren't going to magically make up the difference when Texas stops paying him.

You are correct in that, USF is currently only paying $1 million but I think OTown is making the point that the number is skewed because of the UT buyout based on historical USF Football coach salaries.

Jim Leavitt made $2 million in 2010.
Skip Holtz had a $2 million base salary at USF.
Willie Taggert was making $1.7 million.
Charlie Strong will be paid $2.5 million in 2019 if he coaches at USF.

It actually reinforces your point.

(10-03-2018 02:16 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range. They aren't going to magically make up the difference when Texas stops paying him.

You are correct in that, USF is currently only paying $1 million but I think OTown is making the point that the number is skewed because of the UT buyout based on historical USF Football coach salaries.

Jim Leavitt made $2 million in 2010.
Skip Holtz had a $2 million base salary at USF.
Willie Taggert was making $1.7 million.
Charlie Strong will be paid $2.5 million in 2019 if he coaches at USF.

It actually reinforces your point.

I think the main reason he made the thread was to show USF had the "lowest" in the AAC. He won't admit it though

(10-03-2018 02:32 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 02:16 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range. They aren't going to magically make up the difference when Texas stops paying him.

You are correct in that, USF is currently only paying $1 million but I think OTown is making the point that the number is skewed because of the UT buyout based on historical USF Football coach salaries.

Jim Leavitt made $2 million in 2010.
Skip Holtz had a $2 million base salary at USF.
Willie Taggert was making $1.7 million.
Charlie Strong will be paid $2.5 million in 2019 if he coaches at USF.

It actually reinforces your point.

I think the main reason he made the thread was to show USF had the "lowest" in the AAC. He won't admit it though

Wow you are sensitive. I made it to show the P6 narrative that we are creating a gap between us and the rest of the G4. I didn't even think about doing it just to slight USF. All I did was post facts and share the source. Lighten up. I can update it to $2.5 million if it makes you feel better.

I didn't realize that so many of the football coaches make less than the basketball coaches ...

(10-03-2018 02:49 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I didn't realize that so many of the football coaches make less than the basketball coaches ...

This might be the first year ever that the Memphis football coach has made more than the basketball coach. Its possible that Pastner in his first season made less than Tommy West in his last season with the Tigers. But that would be it over the last 20 years.

(10-03-2018 02:49 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I didn't realize that so many of the football coaches make less than the basketball coaches ...

Most of the basketball coaches have more experience as a head coach. The football coaching turnstiles turn over after 3-4 years in this conference-- they either get a higher paid gig or get canned.

I hope the UCF doesn't give Heupel a raise if he goes undefeated so that another school will poach him and pay the $10 million buyout.

(10-03-2018 12:41 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  48. Memphis, Mike Norvell $2,600,000
58. Navy, Ken Niumatalolo $2,163,000
60. Cincinnati, Luke Fickell, $2,000,000
67. Houston, Major Applewhite $1,750,000
69. UCF, Josh Heupel $1,700,000
71. Tulane, Willie Fritz $1,629,000
73. Tulsa, Phillip Montgomery $1,518,177
78. ECU, Scottie Montgomery $1,102,500
80. UConn, Randy Edstall, $1,100,000
82. South Florida, Charlie Strong, $1,000,000

Average - $1596,267.70

Temple did not report. Not bad for the AAC. 3 Coaches paid higher than the next highest G5 and our average is way higher than all theirs.

Link

Edit, Charlie Strong makes $2.5 million NEXT YEAR. Not THIS YEAR. NEXT YEAR. Even though these numbers are for THIS YEAR. USF fans think this is very important information because apparently I only posted this to make a dig at them even though its just facts and me talking about our separation from the rest of the G4.

How did they figure Niumatalolo’s salary? NAAA declined to release his contract & his compensation is heavily incentivized.

(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range. They aren't going to magically make up the difference when Texas stops paying him.

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(10-03-2018 02:13 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 02:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 01:05 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:46 PM)otown Wrote:  Number is scewed cause of USF's artificially low number due to CS's Texas pay

Its not skewed. That is what USF is paying their coach. If Texas wasn't paying CS, USF may not have him, but they would still be paying another guy in a similar range. They aren't going to magically make up the difference when Texas stops paying him.

It sure as heck is. Charlie Strong's salary goes to 2.5M next year, then 2.6M and 2.7M in the final 2 years of contract.

The ONLY reason it's 1M this year is because of his 4.5M Texas buyout. Next 3 years, he basically has THE highest salary in the AAC (as well as probably the largest assistant coach salary pool).

Okay. Its skewed slightly. I didn't realize they were giving him such a huge pay raise the same year they lose the war chest money.

Try doing some research before ignorantantly making false claims.

BTW, the BE war chest money has been gone for a long time.

(10-03-2018 09:14 PM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 12:41 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  48. Memphis, Mike Norvell $2,600,000
58. Navy, Ken Niumatalolo $2,163,000
60. Cincinnati, Luke Fickell, $2,000,000
67. Houston, Major Applewhite $1,750,000
69. UCF, Josh Heupel $1,700,000
71. Tulane, Willie Fritz $1,629,000
73. Tulsa, Phillip Montgomery $1,518,177
78. ECU, Scottie Montgomery $1,102,500
80. UConn, Randy Edstall, $1,100,000
82. South Florida, Charlie Strong, $1,000,000

Average - $1596,267.70

Temple did not report. Not bad for the AAC. 3 Coaches paid higher than the next highest G5 and our average is way higher than all theirs.

Link

Edit, Charlie Strong makes $2.5 million NEXT YEAR. Not THIS YEAR. NEXT YEAR. Even though these numbers are for THIS YEAR. USF fans think this is very important information because apparently I only posted this to make a dig at them even though its just facts and me talking about our separation from the rest of the G4.

How did they figure Niumatalolo’s salary? NAAA declined to release his contract & his compensation is heavily incentivized.

Declined to release his contract, but has replied to specific requests from USAToday and others, apparently including that one number.
Remember USAToday's butthurt article that Navy wouldnt release info they weren't required to?
"Navy voluntarily has provided the base football salary of football coach Ken Niumatalolo ($2 million) but for many years has denied requests for information such as coaches’ contracts and detailed budget information." from that very article - I assume they've updated one data point since.
Link - caution dont read if you're bothered by yellow journalism or by making mountains out of molehills:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoda.../820114001

Someone do a cost per win analysis. /lazy