Today's podcast, "Balance Beam" 38:52:
If you could pick one Group of 5 to move into the P5, who would you choose?

Ryan McGee said something like, "Whoever it is, is coming out of the American Conference of the Americas."

He said it would be this conference because they are good and they have the TV markets.

He said he always looks at Houston, with the history and the huge market. Named Cinci, Memphis, UCF and USF as other possibilities.

Frankly, I think we are all going to be here a while--but its a nice feather in the cap that he mentions several possibilities and they are all AAC schools. Thats basically saying that much of the AAC membership would be quite at home in a P5 conference---which is very supportive of the P6 narrative.

(10-03-2018 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frankly, I think we are all going to be here a while--but its a nice feather in the cap that he mentions several possibilities and they are all AAC schools. Thats basically saying that much of the AAC membership would be quite at home in a P5 conference---which is very supportive of the P6 narrative.

Therein lies the problem for the AAC and the P6 narrative.....5 or 6 teams might fit in with the P5, but 6 or 7 would not.

(10-03-2018 07:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frankly, I think we are all going to be here a while--but its a nice feather in the cap that he mentions several possibilities and they are all AAC schools. Thats basically saying that much of the AAC membership would be quite at home in a P5 conference---which is very supportive of the P6 narrative.

Therein lies the problem for the AAC and the P6 narrative.....5 or 6 teams might fit in with the P5, but 6 or 7 would not.

Honestly you could say that about basically all of the P5 conferences. It’s actually benefiting the AAC right now that half the conference is doing great and half is not. Parity keeps the entire conference down. We need Houston, USF, Cinci, and UCF to remain undefeated or with 1 loss for as long as possible, and for someone to come out of the conference at the end of the year undefeated.

I am all for the P6 narrative, I just have a hard time seeing the big boys accepting us as an equal especially since this conference was a P6 as the Big East and effectively already kicked out. Would we be readmitted, arguably less valuable than the oBE? Or have I just spent too many years at the kiddie table to see there being any real possibility. The MWC of the 00s sure were close to being the next power conference before they were poached, at least it felt that way with 3 teams always in the Top 10 or Top 15. Under the BCS formula it was easier for the non power conferences to get those rankings than it is now with the biased committee, but what if any chance is there to really be a P6. I'd love us all to move up together and remain relatively stable (even potentially taking some from the B12 in a potential collapse), but tweaner seems all we may be destined for. The 05-12 Big East had a few good teams but despite being an AQ was regularly treated like a tweaner, despite some great success by teams like West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, etc. Everyone of those except Cincinnati are in a P5 today so is the perception of what the Big East was gone today? Is the AAC viewed as strong in football? Are we basically just as good? Is our potential greater than what the Big East potential was? If so, the powers that be would rather poach our top teams (like they did the MWC), rather than promote the whole conference to the sixth power conference.

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(10-03-2018 07:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frankly, I think we are all going to be here a while--but its a nice feather in the cap that he mentions several possibilities and they are all AAC schools. Thats basically saying that much of the AAC membership would be quite at home in a P5 conference---which is very supportive of the P6 narrative.

Therein lies the problem for the AAC and the P6 narrative.....5 or 6 teams might fit in with the P5, but 6 or 7 would not.

Cause Rutgers screams "Power Conference football"

(10-03-2018 07:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frankly, I think we are all going to be here a while--but its a nice feather in the cap that he mentions several possibilities and they are all AAC schools. Thats basically saying that much of the AAC membership would be quite at home in a P5 conference---which is very supportive of the P6 narrative.

Therein lies the problem for the AAC and the P6 narrative.....5 or 6 teams might fit in with the P5, but 6 or 7 would not.

That could be said of most P5 conf as well, See Rutgers, Purdue, Iowa State, Wake forest, VA,

You come walk into Dowdy Ficklen now, especially after this expansion/renovation, and you think you're in an ACC or SEC stadium.

(10-04-2018 08:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  You come walk into Dowdy Ficklen now, especially after this expansion/renovation, and you think you're in an ACC or SEC stadium.

(10-04-2018 05:28 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frankly, I think we are all going to be here a while--but its a nice feather in the cap that he mentions several possibilities and they are all AAC schools. Thats basically saying that much of the AAC membership would be quite at home in a P5 conference---which is very supportive of the P6 narrative.

Therein lies the problem for the AAC and the P6 narrative.....5 or 6 teams might fit in with the P5, but 6 or 7 would not.

Cause Rutgers screams "Power Conference football"

Not yet but Penn State and its location, plus the fact that the school did invest in its football facilities did help. Still going to be a while until they get paid in full every year too. Their glass ceiling once they get on track in that division will be 6 & 6 or 7 & 5 and a minor bowl in good years with 3 OOC wins to start the season.

(10-04-2018 08:59 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  You come walk into Dowdy Ficklen now, especially after this expansion/renovation, and you think you're in an ACC or SEC stadium.

dunno whats funny, I went to ECU about 5 years ago and the stadium and atmosphere was top notch. Definitely better than many ACC schools I've been to and 1000000% better than UNT and their goofy stadium with a major design flaw that puts more seats really far from the field than the close seats.

(10-04-2018 08:59 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  You come walk into Dowdy Ficklen now, especially after this expansion/renovation, and you think you're in an ACC or SEC stadium.

Kinda ignorant if you don't think he's right. Undoubtedly the most P5 gameday atmosphere out of any G5 school...and ECU is lucky they have that otherwise people would be pretty pissed of that they are in the AAC given how down football has been and what a drag basketball has been to conference RPI.

(10-04-2018 08:59 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  You come walk into Dowdy Ficklen now, especially after this expansion/renovation, and you think you're in an ACC or SEC stadium.

What are you laughing about? Have you ever been to DFS? Before the meltdown of the preceding two years we were every bit of that and will absolutely be after the renovation. It is a loud, loud, loud stadium when its rocking.

Drinking koolaid from the unt coffee mug.

Who exactly coined the phrases "power five" and "group of five"? I don't think I've ever heard when and where those misnomers started.

Shouldn't the names really be the "conferences that ESPN wants to succeed five" and "conferences that ESPN would rather just go away five"?

(10-03-2018 07:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frankly, I think we are all going to be here a while--but its a nice feather in the cap that he mentions several possibilities and they are all AAC schools. Thats basically saying that much of the AAC membership would be quite at home in a P5 conference---which is very supportive of the P6 narrative.

Therein lies the problem for the AAC and the P6 narrative.....5 or 6 teams might fit in with the P5, but 6 or 7 would not.

I disagree. I think every school except for Tulsane could make a strong argument that they should be in either the ACC, B1G, Big XII, SEC, or PAC 12.

(10-04-2018 08:59 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:28 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  You come walk into Dowdy Ficklen now, especially after this expansion/renovation, and you think you're in an ACC or SEC stadium.

Your one week that people know you exist for this decade has passed. Move along now.

(10-04-2018 07:34 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frankly, I think we are all going to be here a while--but its a nice feather in the cap that he mentions several possibilities and they are all AAC schools. Thats basically saying that much of the AAC membership would be quite at home in a P5 conference---which is very supportive of the P6 narrative.

Therein lies the problem for the AAC and the P6 narrative.....5 or 6 teams might fit in with the P5, but 6 or 7 would not.

That could be said of most P5 conf as well, See Rutgers, Purdue, Iowa State, Wake forest, VA,

Exactly what I was going to say. Not a single conference has 12 consistently strong programs.

(10-04-2018 12:09 PM)DowdyPirate2 Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-03-2018 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frankly, I think we are all going to be here a while--but its a nice feather in the cap that he mentions several possibilities and they are all AAC schools. Thats basically saying that much of the AAC membership would be quite at home in a P5 conference---which is very supportive of the P6 narrative.

Therein lies the problem for the AAC and the P6 narrative.....5 or 6 teams might fit in with the P5, but 6 or 7 would not.

I disagree. I think every school except for Tulsane could make a strong argument that they should be in either the ACC, B1G, Big XII, SEC, or PAC 12.

Tulane at least was very much in the Big XII conversation not long ago. I honestly think that any member of this conference could make a strong argument for being in one of those conferences, for one reason or another. Which is why pushing for our entire conference to be recognized is the best strategy right now.

(10-04-2018 11:55 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Who exactly coined the phrases "power five" and "group of five"? I don't think I've ever heard when and where those misnomers started.

Shouldn't the names really be the "conferences that ESPN wants to succeed five" and "conferences that ESPN would rather just go away five"?

Media talking heads after the Big East imploded and was kicked to the curb, with an assist from autonomous conference bigwigs, looking to push an agenda. It was all agenda driven. (Big East is dead, look there are now only 5 big conferences).