(10-04-2018 08:30 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 09:24 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  I know most readers cannot imagine CTE causing a collapse of college football but CTE is real. Many parents don't want their children playing football now. That number will climb. If the roots die, the plant dies. I like watching football but I feel a bit guilty about it. My bet is that the sport is gone in 25 years.

Not so fast, sweetheart! The sport will most likely change, but it won't vanish. What do you think the University of Michigan and the like will do with their monolithic stadiums that they've poured millions of dollars into? Open them up for the pot smoking hacky sackers?

Boxing, MMA, football...as long as there are people who get paid to play it and there are people that pay to watch it, those sports will be around.

Agreed. People don’t realize how close President Theodore Roosevelt came to shutting down college football altogether because of fatal casualties. But the sport reformed itself and made it safer. I think it can be done again but just like how football in the early part of the 20th century doesn’t resemble today’s football; don’t expect football to look too much like what we see today.

Right. The whole country of Ireland goes insane for Gaelic football, and none of those guys and gals wear helmets.

(10-04-2018 08:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right. The whole country of Ireland goes insane for Gaelic football, and none of those guys and gals wear helmets.

Are you talking about the legally organized manslaughter that is hurling?

(10-04-2018 07:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  For those of you that were clinging to hope that the Irish would come around.....


"The half-brother from South Bend appears poised for a season run to its first College Football Playoff berth, which means one conference-affiliated school isn’t getting in. It also means you can forget Notre Dame joining the ACC as a full-time member in your lifetime once the Irish prove they don’t need a league pass."


https://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtr...4fafe.html

Really Captain Obvious???

(10-04-2018 10:12 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right. The whole country of Ireland goes insane for Gaelic football, and none of those guys and gals wear helmets.

Are you talking about the legally organized manslaughter that is hurling?

No, Gaelic football. It’s similar to rugby I gather.

(10-04-2018 08:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:30 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 09:24 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  I know most readers cannot imagine CTE causing a collapse of college football but CTE is real. Many parents don't want their children playing football now. That number will climb. If the roots die, the plant dies. I like watching football but I feel a bit guilty about it. My bet is that the sport is gone in 25 years.

Not so fast, sweetheart! The sport will most likely change, but it won't vanish. What do you think the University of Michigan and the like will do with their monolithic stadiums that they've poured millions of dollars into? Open them up for the pot smoking hacky sackers?

Boxing, MMA, football...as long as there are people who get paid to play it and there are people that pay to watch it, those sports will be around.

Agreed. People don’t realize how close President Theodore Roosevelt came to shutting down college football altogether because of fatal casualties. But the sport reformed itself and made it safer. I think it can be done again but just like how football in the early part of the 20th century doesn’t resemble today’s football; don’t expect football to look too much like what we see today.

Right. The whole country of Ireland goes insane for Gaelic football, and none of those guys and gals wear helmets.

The citizens of my other country wonder why American football players need all of that gear and are such pansies........

I took some friendly ribbing about this in a Dublin pub as the only American in the place when a Gaelic football game was on.

I have sat in packed pubs in several places in Ireland watching Gaelic football. It is a fun game to watch. They also love hurling and rugby, along with futbol.

(10-05-2018 06:00 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 07:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  For those of you that were clinging to hope that the Irish would come around.....


"The half-brother from South Bend appears poised for a season run to its first College Football Playoff berth, which means one conference-affiliated school isn’t getting in. It also means you can forget Notre Dame joining the ACC as a full-time member in your lifetime once the Irish prove they don’t need a league pass."


https://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtr...4fafe.html

Really Captain Obvious???

I didn't write the article, I only reprinted it.
As I have stated many times, I do not want Notre Dame as a full member of the ACC as I am comfortable with their present situation.

I think Notre Dame and West Virginia both strengthen ACC football and basketball. And would get us to a solid 16 teams.

(10-04-2018 12:39 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 12:18 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  ND's not going to join because they are getting paid as it is now and they don't want to get locked into having go through Clemson (or whoever steps up to knock them off the pedestal) every year to get to the CFP like the rest of you schmoes do.

This way they can still aggressively schedule the Vanderbildts and Northwesterns of the world and still take one of your preferred bowl games if they lose a game or two.

ND makes $28 million total from NBC and ESPN/ACC.

ND could make $51 million or more a year if it joined the Big Ten.

Money is not the reason ND is indy in football.

Your take on ND's schedules is downright laughable.

You left out recent and upcoming home/home series with Alabama, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, and yearly games against Stanford and Southern Cal, as well as ACC games against Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Miami, etc....


https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/notre-dame/

I'm sorry, the only laughable thing is ND's schedule.

Get fired up for that big game this week against Old Dominion's b****.

An undefeated Notre Dame gets in the playoffs REGARDLESS of conference affiliation.

That's just the BRAND that is Notre Dame. PERIOD

(10-05-2018 12:29 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 12:39 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 12:18 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  ND's not going to join because they are getting paid as it is now and they don't want to get locked into having go through Clemson (or whoever steps up to knock them off the pedestal) every year to get to the CFP like the rest of you schmoes do.

This way they can still aggressively schedule the Vanderbildts and Northwesterns of the world and still take one of your preferred bowl games if they lose a game or two.

ND makes $28 million total from NBC and ESPN/ACC.

ND could make $51 million or more a year if it joined the Big Ten.

Money is not the reason ND is indy in football.

Your take on ND's schedules is downright laughable.

You left out recent and upcoming home/home series with Alabama, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, and yearly games against Stanford and Southern Cal, as well as ACC games against Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Miami, etc....


https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/notre-dame/

I'm sorry, the only laughable thing is ND's schedule.

Get fired up for that big game this week against Old Dominion's b****.

You like to talk a lot of smack over here. Stop right now or you wont be able to post here anymore.

(10-05-2018 12:29 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 12:39 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 12:18 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  ND's not going to join because they are getting paid as it is now and they don't want to get locked into having go through Clemson (or whoever steps up to knock them off the pedestal) every year to get to the CFP like the rest of you schmoes do.

This way they can still aggressively schedule the Vanderbildts and Northwesterns of the world and still take one of your preferred bowl games if they lose a game or two.

ND makes $28 million total from NBC and ESPN/ACC.

ND could make $51 million or more a year if it joined the Big Ten.

Money is not the reason ND is indy in football.

Your take on ND's schedules is downright laughable.

You left out recent and upcoming home/home series with Alabama, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan State, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, and yearly games against Stanford and Southern Cal, as well as ACC games against Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Miami, etc....


https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/notre-dame/

I'm sorry, the only laughable thing is ND's schedule.

Get fired up for that big game this week against Old Dominion's b****.

Yeah, well...enjoy that huge, important game against Tulane.

You won't find many people who agree with you about ND's schedule.

I won't feed the troll any more. Have a good weekend.

(10-05-2018 12:52 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  An undefeated Notre Dame gets in the playoffs REGARDLESS of conference affiliation.

That's just the BRAND that is Notre Dame. PERIOD

I agree, but I have my doubts that ND will go undefeated.

They could very likely lose tomorrow and may lose to Southern Cal and maybe one other team. I hope not.

I just enjoy the wins as they come. I have loved the 15-3 run that ND is on.

I just want to get past tomorrow, I don't worry about things like the playoffs.

(10-05-2018 03:03 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I just want to get past tomorrow, I don't worry about things like the playoffs.

https://twitter.com/arjanpeters3/status/...2960743424

GOBBLE GOBBLE

I hope my Hokies "gobble" up yardage and points Saturday nights.
I wouldn't mind if they "gobble" up a few Irish turnovers, too.
GO HOKIES! BEAT NOTRE DAME!

(10-05-2018 12:52 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  An undefeated Notre Dame gets in the playoffs REGARDLESS of conference affiliation.

That's just the BRAND that is Notre Dame. PERIOD

I think any undefeated P-5 gets in because of who they must play in the regular season and conference championship.

Think about how bad Kansas and Nebraska are this year. If Kansas went 13-0 that would included wins over Oklahoma, Texas, Ok State, TCU, and one of those again. Nebraska has to beat Wisconsin, and Ohio State.

If Duke were undefeated they would have beaten Miami and Clemson in the regular and NC State or Clemson again in the championship game.

I just don't see a scenario that keeps out an undefeated P-5 unless 5 schools finish that way.

(10-05-2018 06:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:30 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 08:25 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-04-2018 09:24 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  I know most readers cannot imagine CTE causing a collapse of college football but CTE is real. Many parents don't want their children playing football now. That number will climb. If the roots die, the plant dies. I like watching football but I feel a bit guilty about it. My bet is that the sport is gone in 25 years.

Not so fast, sweetheart! The sport will most likely change, but it won't vanish. What do you think the University of Michigan and the like will do with their monolithic stadiums that they've poured millions of dollars into? Open them up for the pot smoking hacky sackers?

Boxing, MMA, football...as long as there are people who get paid to play it and there are people that pay to watch it, those sports will be around.

Agreed. People don’t realize how close President Theodore Roosevelt came to shutting down college football altogether because of fatal casualties. But the sport reformed itself and made it safer. I think it can be done again but just like how football in the early part of the 20th century doesn’t resemble today’s football; don’t expect football to look too much like what we see today.

Right. The whole country of Ireland goes insane for Gaelic football, and none of those guys and gals wear helmets.

The citizens of my other country wonder why American football players need all of that gear and are such pansies........

I took some friendly ribbing about this in a Dublin pub as the only American in the place when a Gaelic football game was on.

I have sat in packed pubs in several places in Ireland watching Gaelic football. It is a fun game to watch. They also love hurling and rugby, along with futbol.

When I was there, Mayo was facing whatever county Dublin is in for the championship. The game tied and they re-matched the next weekend! Mayo was basically shut-down on gameday. It was electric.

I guess if Notre Dame finally joins sometime in the 2030s, would the ACC consider this for a divisional alignment?

Eight - Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Miami, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Notre Dame
Seven - Louisville, Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech

For teams in the seven-team division, they play each of their division rivals, then two cross-division games, for a total of eight games.

For teams in the eight-team division, they play each of their division rivals. Six of those teams will have two-cross division games, while two teams will only have one. Those two teams would count a designated Power 5 opponent as their ninth conference game.

The implication is that Notre Dame could theoretically play Navy, USC, or Stanford as its ninth conference game. The other slot could rotate among those with an established P5 rival (Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State). Such a move might even allow the resumption of Pittsburgh-West Virginia.

Since the divisions are divided as evenly as possible, the championship game is simply the two division winners. Alignments could be changed every two years.

(10-08-2018 09:58 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I guess if Notre Dame finally joins sometime in the 2030s, would the ACC consider this for a divisional alignment?

Eight - Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Miami, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Notre Dame
Seven - Louisville, Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech

For teams in the seven-team division, they play each of their division rivals, then two cross-division games, for a total of eight games.

For teams in the eight-team division, they play each of their division rivals. Six of those teams will have two-cross division games, while two teams will only have one. Those two teams would count a designated Power 5 opponent as their ninth conference game.

The implication is that Notre Dame could theoretically play Navy, USC, or Stanford as its ninth conference game. The other slot could rotate among those with an established P5 rival (Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State). Such a move might even allow the resumption of Pittsburgh-West Virginia.

Since the divisions are divided as evenly as possible, the championship game is simply the two division winners. Alignments could be changed every two years.

Very creative.

(10-08-2018 09:58 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I guess if Notre Dame finally joins sometime in the 2030s, would the ACC consider this for a divisional alignment?

Eight - Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Miami, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Notre Dame
Seven - Louisville, Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech

For teams in the seven-team division, they play each of their division rivals, then two cross-division games, for a total of eight games.

For teams in the eight-team division, they play each of their division rivals. Six of those teams will have two-cross division games, while two teams will only have one. Those two teams would count a designated Power 5 opponent as their ninth conference game.

The implication is that Notre Dame could theoretically play Navy, USC, or Stanford as its ninth conference game. The other slot could rotate among those with an established P5 rival (Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State). Such a move might even allow the resumption of Pittsburgh-West Virginia.

Since the divisions are divided as evenly as possible, the championship game is simply the two division winners. Alignments could be changed every two years.

The Backyard Brawl is returning in 2022 for a four game series.

(10-08-2018 09:58 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I guess if Notre Dame finally joins sometime in the 2030s, would the ACC consider this for a divisional alignment?

Eight - Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Miami, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Notre Dame
Seven - Louisville, Boston College, Clemson, Florida State, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech

For teams in the seven-team division, they play each of their division rivals, then two cross-division games, for a total of eight games.

For teams in the eight-team division, they play each of their division rivals. Six of those teams will have two-cross division games, while two teams will only have one. Those two teams would count a designated Power 5 opponent as their ninth conference game.

The implication is that Notre Dame could theoretically play Navy, USC, or Stanford as its ninth conference game. The other slot could rotate among those with an established P5 rival (Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State). Such a move might even allow the resumption of Pittsburgh-West Virginia.

Since the divisions are divided as evenly as possible, the championship game is simply the two division winners. Alignments could be changed every two years.

Good concept. To better accommodate schools with permanent rivals OOC, I'd suggest a tweak with an 8 game league schedule (4H/4A) instead of 9.

The first opponent listed after each ACC team is their permanent crossover rival. The second is a ninth P5 opponent OOC (which might be an ACC team). The third is a second OOC opponent (which also might be an ACC team, and could be a G5 team).

NC State..........UNC, Duke, East Carolina
Wake Forest.....Duke, UNC, Vanderbilt
Florida State.....Miami, Florida, Georgia Tech
Louisville..........Pitt, Kentucky
Boston College..Syracuse, Miami, Pitt
Clemson...........Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Auburn
Virginia Tech.....Virginia, Tennessee, UNC

Notre Dame......USC/Stanford, Stanford/USC, Navy
UNC.................NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech
Duke................Wake Forest, NC State
Miami...............Florida State, Boston College, UCF/USF
Pitt..................Louisville, West Virginia, Boston College
Syracuse..........Boston College, Rutgers, UConn/UMass
Georgia Tech....Clemson, Georgia, Florida State
Virginia............Virginia Tech, Maryland

Notre Dame plays either USC or Stanford at home every year. If they have three ACC opponents at home, the one of these two they play at home in Year 1 becomes their permanent 8th ACC game. The Irish then still have two games to schedule as they see fit.

I believe this divisional structure passes NCAA muster under current rules. I can't think of any "must have" games missing from this arrangement.