(10-13-2018 03:15 PM)Bogg Wrote: (10-13-2018 02:36 PM)adcorbett Wrote: (10-13-2018 02:26 PM)Bogg Wrote: Then start talking about how it's a mistake to hold the conference tournament in Indianapolis as well. 17 and change is adequate in the absolute heart of the conference but it's not adequate in an outlier location with no major athletic presence nearby?
You realize my original comment was "Brooklyn’s arena is nice (albeit very small) but it’s not located in the middle of manhattan." You made it a point that the arena wasn't small. Now you see that is mistaken so you change the subject. I don;t play that game.
In Indy, the arena is both in the ideal location within that city AND it is in the middle of the geographical footprint fo the Big Ten. That is why it is their 1A to Chicago. They don't sell enough to fill out the dome, so it's the next best option when not in Chicago. In NY, Barclays is neither in the middle of the city NOR the biggest arena nor the most prominent. It really defeats a big chunk of the purpose of being in NYC, ESPECIALLY if you are having to do it off the traditional tourney week like they had to with MSG.
In addition, to my original point, it is currently the fourth largest arena in the general vicinity (behind MSG, The Rock, and the IZOD center, and soon to be the fifth largest when the Islanders arena in Belmont opens in two years). When I said it was "small," it was in reference to other major arenas AND to other arenas within the city. Hence the statement you so objected to "Brooklyn’s arena is nice (albeit very small)."
If you don't think the size of the arena is a problem, that is a matter of opinion, and you are more than entitled to feel that way. But you made the point of attacking the point about the arena size, when I pointed it out, but my point was accurate. That is all.
Your contention is that it is "very" small - it's an NBA arena that seats over 18k and its size outstrips the demonstrated demand the B1G has for tickets in New York. It's a 9% difference between Barclays and MSG. In no world does that make it unusably small.
Oy. Stick to one wrong argument and keep it there. It’s not “over18k” it’s 17.5, or really a little less. Why it matters is most teams get less than 1,000 seats per session for their schools. Missing 2500 seats when tickets are at a premium is 500 per session per school playing, or 50% more tickets. It was an issue the ACC had when going from Greensboro to Brooklyn.
Also I said msg had nearly 20% more, not Brooklyn had 30% less. There is a difference. If you add 18% to 17,500 (nearly 20%) you get 20,500, which is jay mag seats for the tourney. If you want to compare Mac outs, Brooklyn has gotten to 18k and msg to 21,500, so it’s the same.
As I said before, again you can debate whether you think it matters, but don’t exaggerate the size and then use bad math to prove a point you can’t make. As someone whose been to the BE tourney in MSG and the ACC tourney in Barkley’s, I can tell you how different they are. You do feel the difference in the atmosphere (granted msg has changed since then, but it only feels like an even bigger stage now than before). The most stark difference is outside, when in between sessions you run into thousands of other fans nearby waiting for their turn, or mingling around. If your team lost, hundreds of people mobbed you to buy your tickets to future sessions. The buzz was completely different. In Brooklyn it’s like people just got on the train and left after. A bit better than Greensboro where people only show up for their teams, but not near like manhattan.
Anyway for the ACC, at least the ACC tourney in site B was during the traditional tourney week. And had three relevant “local” teams, or teams that classify themselves as having NYC as one of their main alumni bases. As I also said, which started this, playing in the smaller arena, away from midtown Manhattan, AND likely having to do it outside of the traditional window, while in an area generally well outside of your primary footprint does NOT give the exposure needed to make this worthwhile in all likelihood. You chose to harp on the arena size argument, and still could not make a correct argument. Not my fault.
It works for the big east for obvious reasons. It works for the ACC because local Syracuse, ND, and duke fans could damn near fill the arena itself, and includes six fan bases used to going to NYC, a couple more where nyc is closer than the traditional locale, and at least one more large traveling fan base. It also works because they snagged the traditional dates. For the big ten to make this work, they either need MSG or need to get Barclays during the traditional window (may also need msg during that window but at least being in msg will offset the date issue). That was the point I made. You jumped off on a tangent, and weren’t even right about what you were arguing about.
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