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RE: Big Ten's Delany wants MSG for basketball tourney
(10-13-2018 02:24 PM)adcorbett Wrote: (10-13-2018 11:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (10-13-2018 10:18 AM)adcorbett Wrote: Yes Barclays is “new”but seats about 17,500 for basketball and is the the second or third smallest in the nba, depending on source. * There is a reason why Barclays “record attendance” was 18,000, and that was for a concert with floor seating. And it’s not just because the nets suck.
FWIW, the ACC says it drew more than 18,000 at Barclays for its finals sessions during the 2018 tournament:
"Barclays Center recently completed a successful two-year run as the Tournament host site, setting attendance records in both 2017 and 2018. Last year, the ACC set a record for attendance at a college basketball event at Barclays Center with 18,157 fans at both the semifinals on Friday night and the championship game on Saturday evening."
I'm just not down with calling an arena that seats at least 18,000 for college hoops tournament "small". We're talking about a conference tournament here, not the Final 4 or the Super Bowl.
Barclays itself lists the Springsteen concert as the record holder at 18k, not me. That said standing room and press seats can add a few hundred (Nearly arena’s record attendance is higher than its listed capacity, so 600 over capacity would not be uncommon: the MSG record is about 1500 over its lists capacity). But first this was listed in comparison to MSG, which was the contest of my post. Second with a capacity less than 13 teams from the ACC/B10/BE teams that have used the area (and 20 teams overall), It's worth mentioning. Especially hot tournaments where tickets are at a premium.
(10-13-2018 01:24 PM)Bogg Wrote: Yea, the idea that Barclay's is small is just categorically wrong. It's not enormous, but it's plenty big and a lot of newer professional arenas are sacrificing some capacity for nicer amenities and more luxury seating as a result of the in-home experience being better and better. Like I said, if you're going to complain about Barclay's capacity, you should also be making the case that the B1G shouldn't be holding its tournament in Indianapolis either, due to insufficient facilities.
If the arena is he second smallest in the nba, and with the exception of the acc home base, nearly every major conference tourney is held at an nba or nhl arena, then calling the second smallest nba arena and third smallest nba/nhl home arena is not “categorically” small, when it was stated in comparison to msg, which holds almost 20% more people, is accurate.
Let me just give you the list of pro arenas in the Big Ten/Big East/ACC markets
If you can’t understand how the smallest pro arena in any market remotely associated with a big ten or even ACC market (B10 conference tourney will be in a pro arena) would be labled “small,” I can’t help you with that. Here, let me give you a list of the arenas in major cities in the covered area:
- Arena Location Team(s) Capacity Opened
Carrier Dome Syracuse, NY Syracuse 35,446 1980
Greensboro Colesium Greensboro, NC ACC Tourney 23,500 1959
Rupp Arena Lexington, KY Kentucky men[i] 23,500 1976
KFC YUM Center Louisville, KY Louisville 22,090 2010
Enterprise Center St. Louis, Missouri St. Louis Blues 22,000 1994
Chapel Hill NC North Carolina Men 21,750 1986
United Center Chicago, Illinois Chicago Bulls 20,917 1994
BB&T Center Sunrise, Florida Florida Panthers 20,737 1998
Quicken Loans Arena Cleveland, Ohio Cleveland Cavaliers 20,562 1994
Amalie Arena Tampa, Florida Tampa Bay Lightning 20,500 1996
Little Caesars Arena Detroit, Michigan Detroit Pistons 20,491 2017
Capital One Arena Washington, D.C. Washington Wizards 20,356 1997
Wells Fargo Center Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Philadelphia 76ers 20,328 1996
Madison Square Garden New York, New York New York Knicks 19,812 2017
PNC Arena Raleigh, North Carolina Carolina Hurricanes 19,722 1999
American Airlines Arena Miami, Florida Miami Heat 19,600 1999
Nationwide Arena Columbus, Ohio Columbus Blue Jackets 19,500 2000
KeyBank Center Buffalo, New York Buffalo Sabres 19,200 1996
PPG Paints Arena Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Pittsburgh Penguins 19,100 2010
Spectrum Center Charlotte, North Carolina Charlotte Hornets 19,077 2005
Target Center Minneapolis, Minnesota Minnesota Timberwolves 18,978 1990
Freedom Hall Louisville, KY Louisville 18,885 1956
Amway Center Orlando, Florida Orlando Magic 18,846 2010
Value City Arena Ohio State Columbus, OH 18809 1998
Prudential Center Newark, New Jersey New Jersey Devils 18,711 2007
TD Garden Boston, Massachusetts Boston Celtics 18,624 1995
Xcel Energy Center Saint Paul, Minnesota Minnesota Wild 18,200 2000
FedExForum Memphis Memphis men 18,119 2004
State Farm Arena Atlanta, Georgia Atlanta Hawks 18,118 1999
Colonial Life Arena Columbia South Carolina 18,000 2002
Xfinity Center College Park Maryland 17,950 2002
Bankers Life Fieldhouse Indianapolis, Indiana Indiana Pacers 17,923 1999
Fiserv Forum Milwaukee, Wisconsin Milwaukee Bucks 17,500 2018
Fiserv Forum Milwaukee Marquette men 17,500 2018
Barclays Center Brooklyn, New York New York Islanders 17,500 2012
Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall Bloomington Indiana 17,472 1971
Kohl Center Madison Wisconsin 17,249 1998
*Note total basketball capacity listed, which may vary from NBA or hockey capacities listed.
I am just saying, of ALL of the markets the Big Ten, ACC, or Big East would choose, Barclays has a "small" capacity when compared to every other suitable (And even some unsuitable) arenas.
Then start talking about how it's a mistake to hold the conference tournament in Indianapolis as well. 17 and change is adequate in the absolute heart of the conference but it's not adequate in an outlier location with no major athletic presence nearby?
FYI - the actual difference between MSG set up for a college tourney and Barclay's is about 9%. Single-digit percentage point differences aren't the demarcation between what you'd like and something being "very" small. You're talking like Barclays seats 12k.
(This post was last modified: 10-13-2018 02:30 PM by Bogg.)
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