(10-14-2018 03:46 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Kentucky must have looked pretty good against B-Y-E.

Not just how they looked in their scrimmage with Brigham Young East, but also that their loss to Texas A&M is now a loss to a consensus top 20 school.

(10-15-2018 09:13 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:16 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:15 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

They destroyed PITT , the same team that took Notre Dame to the brink and honestly
should've won that game.

Taking to the brink isn't a column in the standings. It's wins/losses.

While UCF was barely beating a 4-3 Memphis team (who should have won that game) and giving up almost 40 to FAU, ND was playing Michigan, Stanford, and Va Tech.

Schools like ND, tOSU, Bama, etc would kill to have the cake schedule of the AAC "champ".

Hey, I was answering the other posters question not trying to pick a fight with you buddy. Yes Memphis has stumbled early this season while breaking in a new QB, but they're probably one of the best 4-3 teams in the nation. For the record I don't think that PITT is a bad team (they're in first in their division in the ACC) and I only included the fact that they took Notre Dame to the brink and should've won the game to add context to the answer to his question. However anytime you guys want to schedule a h/h with any of the AAC top teams, I will guarantee you it'll be accepted instantly, unless that murderers row of Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Maryland or Nebraska is more than enough for ya.

Texas thinks playing Maryland is murderers row.

True that LOL.

(10-15-2018 08:16 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:15 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:17 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Exactly!!!! There is absolutely no way that ESPN or it's crony committee will allow a Non-Papered Conference member to enter into it's CFP's. This entire thing is a money grab and a mockery of the system. There is absolutely no route to the Playoffs for any team outside of the Pampered5.

I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

They destroyed PITT , the same team that took Notre Dame to the brink and honestly
should've won that game.

Taking to the brink isn't a column in the standings. It's wins/losses.

While UCF was barely beating a 4-3 Memphis team (who should have won that game) and giving up almost 40 to FAU, ND was playing Michigan, Stanford, and Va Tech.

Schools like ND, tOSU, Bama, etc would kill to have the cake schedule of the AAC "champ".

Hey, I was answering the other posters question not trying to pick a fight with you buddy. Yes Memphis has stumbled early this season while breaking in a new QB, but they're probably one of the best 4-3 teams in the nation. For the record I don't think that PITT is a bad team (they're in first in their division in the ACC) and I only included the fact that they took Notre Dame to the brink and should've won the game to add context to the answer to his question. However anytime you guys want to schedule a h/h with any of the AAC top teams, I will guarantee you it'll be accepted instantly, unless that murderers row of Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Maryland or Nebraska is more than enough for ya.

Fair enough. I was merely trying to point out that the reality of the CFP is that it would take a literal collapse of several P5 teams (along with ND) for UCF or any AAC team to make it to the playoff.

Fair? Probably not but that's the reality.

BTW. Can't argue with Illinois or Rutgers, but it's not any worse than playing Tulsa or UConn....

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:15 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:17 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The committee will show you in a couple of weeks that UCF has no shot at the CFP.

Exactly!!!! There is absolutely no way that ESPN or it's crony committee will allow a Non-Papered Conference member to enter into it's CFP's. This entire thing is a money grab and a mockery of the system. There is absolutely no route to the Playoffs for any team outside of the Pampered5.

I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

They destroyed PITT , the same team that took Notre Dame to the brink and honestly
should've won that game.

Taking to the brink isn't a column in the standings. It's wins/losses.

While UCF was barely beating a 4-3 Memphis team (who should have won that game) and giving up almost 40 to FAU, ND was playing Michigan, Stanford, and Va Tech.

Schools like ND, tOSU, Bama, etc would kill to have the cake schedule of the AAC "champ".

You've pinpointed why so many have no faith in UCF as an actual contender.

(10-16-2018 07:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:16 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:15 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

They destroyed PITT , the same team that took Notre Dame to the brink and honestly
should've won that game.

Taking to the brink isn't a column in the standings. It's wins/losses.

While UCF was barely beating a 4-3 Memphis team (who should have won that game) and giving up almost 40 to FAU, ND was playing Michigan, Stanford, and Va Tech.

Schools like ND, tOSU, Bama, etc would kill to have the cake schedule of the AAC "champ".

Hey, I was answering the other posters question not trying to pick a fight with you buddy. Yes Memphis has stumbled early this season while breaking in a new QB, but they're probably one of the best 4-3 teams in the nation. For the record I don't think that PITT is a bad team (they're in first in their division in the ACC) and I only included the fact that they took Notre Dame to the brink and should've won the game to add context to the answer to his question. However anytime you guys want to schedule a h/h with any of the AAC top teams, I will guarantee you it'll be accepted instantly, unless that murderers row of Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Maryland or Nebraska is more than enough for ya.

Fair enough. I was merely trying to point out that the reality of the CFP is that it would take a literal collapse of several P5 teams (along with ND) for UCF or any AAC team to make it to the playoff.

Fair? Probably not but that's the reality.

BTW. Can't argue with Illinois or Rutgers, but it's not any worse than playing Tulsa or UConn....

You mean the USF that struggled to beat Illinois? Illinois would crush Tulsa or UConn.

(10-16-2018 10:15 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:16 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:15 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  They destroyed PITT , the same team that took Notre Dame to the brink and honestly
should've won that game.

Taking to the brink isn't a column in the standings. It's wins/losses.

While UCF was barely beating a 4-3 Memphis team (who should have won that game) and giving up almost 40 to FAU, ND was playing Michigan, Stanford, and Va Tech.

Schools like ND, tOSU, Bama, etc would kill to have the cake schedule of the AAC "champ".

Hey, I was answering the other posters question not trying to pick a fight with you buddy. Yes Memphis has stumbled early this season while breaking in a new QB, but they're probably one of the best 4-3 teams in the nation. For the record I don't think that PITT is a bad team (they're in first in their division in the ACC) and I only included the fact that they took Notre Dame to the brink and should've won the game to add context to the answer to his question. However anytime you guys want to schedule a h/h with any of the AAC top teams, I will guarantee you it'll be accepted instantly, unless that murderers row of Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Maryland or Nebraska is more than enough for ya.

Fair enough. I was merely trying to point out that the reality of the CFP is that it would take a literal collapse of several P5 teams (along with ND) for UCF or any AAC team to make it to the playoff.

Fair? Probably not but that's the reality.

BTW. Can't argue with Illinois or Rutgers, but it's not any worse than playing Tulsa or UConn....

You mean the USF that struggled to beat Illinois? Illinois would crush Tulsa or UConn.

Well, we struggled with Tulsa even moreso than we did with Illinois. For what that's worth, probably not much.

(10-15-2018 10:24 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 03:46 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Kentucky must have looked pretty good against B-Y-E.

Not just how they looked in their scrimmage with Brigham Young East, but also that their loss to Texas A&M is now a loss to a consensus top 20 school.

Well Bye is a lot better than about 8 or 9 other members of the top 25 did, including 4 of the top 10.

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:15 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:17 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The committee will show you in a couple of weeks that UCF has no shot at the CFP.

Exactly!!!! There is absolutely no way that ESPN or it's crony committee will allow a Non-Papered Conference member to enter into it's CFP's. This entire thing is a money grab and a mockery of the system. There is absolutely no route to the Playoffs for any team outside of the Pampered5.

I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

They destroyed PITT , the same team that took Notre Dame to the brink and honestly
should've won that game.

Taking to the brink isn't a column in the standings. It's wins/losses.

While UCF was barely beating a 4-3 Memphis team (who should have won that game) and giving up almost 40 to FAU, ND was playing Michigan, Stanford, and Va Tech.

Schools like ND, tOSU, Bama, etc would kill to have the cake schedule of the AAC "champ".

No they wouldn't. They could move to the AAC any time they wanted.

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:17 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The committee will show you in a couple of weeks that UCF has no shot at the CFP.

Exactly!!!! There is absolutely no way that ESPN or it's crony committee will allow a Non-Papered Conference member to enter into it's CFP's. This entire thing is a money grab and a mockery of the system. There is absolutely no route to the Playoffs for any team outside of the Pampered5.

I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

I am a little fascinated by the #3 comment. Is there a difference between beating a ranked G5 opponent vs a ranked P5 opponent. Is a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll G5 team inferior to a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll P5 team? If there is a difference in your eyes then the whole damn system is down the tubes with the ranking system. Our only current metric of ranking these teams is based on polls, which in turn, sends teams to bowls and playoffs.

Personally for me, I would like to see a team beat as many ranked teams as possible, regardless of what conference they come from.

Funny thing is that UCF could go undefeated again this year, beat a highly ranked formidable P5 team in the Peach/Fiesta, get the whole "P5 team didn't care about playing UCF" excuse thrown in their face, move into next year with an even stronger team on a 25 plus win streak, play a "down" Stanford and Pitt, rinse and repeat the same excuses.

What more can they do? I mean, Stanford was considered to be a strong team scheduled years in advance, but I do not think they will be much next year. Can they potentially go on to have the longest win streak in the history of College Football and still be left out next year......cause I can see the same excuses developing. Obviously I think the chances of going 3 seasons undefeated, let alone 2 seasons not likely, but it begs the question.......... will it be the same song and dance next year?

It's easy for people to simply say schedule one and dones on the road with strong teams. However, unless one can see in the future, there is no way any said team will be strong half a decade later. They also do not get the advantage of playing some over hyped teams in conference that were simply ranked too high preseason for no other reason other than it being a "household" name.

(10-16-2018 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:17 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The committee will show you in a couple of weeks that UCF has no shot at the CFP.

Exactly!!!! There is absolutely no way that ESPN or it's crony committee will allow a Non-Papered Conference member to enter into it's CFP's. This entire thing is a money grab and a mockery of the system. There is absolutely no route to the Playoffs for any team outside of the Pampered5.

I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

I am a little fascinated by the #3 comment. Is there a difference between beating a ranked G5 opponent vs a ranked P5 opponent. Is a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll G5 team inferior to a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll P5 team? If there is a difference in your eyes then the whole damn system is down the tubes with the ranking system. Our only current metric of ranking these teams is based on polls, which in turn, sends teams to bowls and playoffs.

Personally for me, I would like to see a team beat as many ranked teams as possible, regardless of what conference they come from.

Funny thing is that UCF could go undefeated again this year, beat a highly ranked formidable P5 team in the Peach/Fiesta, get the whole "P5 team didn't care about playing UCF" excuse thrown in their face, move into next year with an even stronger team on a 25 plus win streak, play a "down" Stanford and Pitt, rinse and repeat the same excuses.

What more can they do? I mean, Stanford was considered to be a strong team scheduled years in advance, but I do not think they will be much next year. Can they potentially go on to have the longest win streak in the history of College Football and still be left out next year......cause I can see the same excuses developing. Obviously I think the chances of going 3 seasons undefeated, let alone 2 seasons not likely, but it begs the question.......... will it be the same song and dance next year?

It's easy for people to simply say schedule one and dones on the road with strong teams. However, unless one can see in the future, there is no way any said team will be strong half a decade later. They also do not get the advantage of playing some over hyped teams in conference that were simply ranked too high preseason for no other reason other than it being a "household" name.

The problem is UCF fans think it’s a new thing. Since the creation of the BCS, G5’s formerly known as nonAQ’s have been left out due to a myriad of reasons. Utah (2x), Boise State (3x), TCU (2x), Hawaii, Tulane, Marshall, Louisville, Northern Illinois and Houston have faced exactly the same hurdles UCF is facing. Nothing new. Is it fair? No. Can it be changed? I doubt it.

(10-16-2018 10:15 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:34 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 08:16 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:37 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:15 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  They destroyed PITT , the same team that took Notre Dame to the brink and honestly
should've won that game.

Taking to the brink isn't a column in the standings. It's wins/losses.

While UCF was barely beating a 4-3 Memphis team (who should have won that game) and giving up almost 40 to FAU, ND was playing Michigan, Stanford, and Va Tech.

Schools like ND, tOSU, Bama, etc would kill to have the cake schedule of the AAC "champ".

Hey, I was answering the other posters question not trying to pick a fight with you buddy. Yes Memphis has stumbled early this season while breaking in a new QB, but they're probably one of the best 4-3 teams in the nation. For the record I don't think that PITT is a bad team (they're in first in their division in the ACC) and I only included the fact that they took Notre Dame to the brink and should've won the game to add context to the answer to his question. However anytime you guys want to schedule a h/h with any of the AAC top teams, I will guarantee you it'll be accepted instantly, unless that murderers row of Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and Maryland or Nebraska is more than enough for ya.

Fair enough. I was merely trying to point out that the reality of the CFP is that it would take a literal collapse of several P5 teams (along with ND) for UCF or any AAC team to make it to the playoff.

Fair? Probably not but that's the reality.

BTW. Can't argue with Illinois or Rutgers, but it's not any worse than playing Tulsa or UConn....

You mean the USF that struggled to beat Illinois? Illinois would crush Tulsa or UConn.

You can break out the transitivity argument all you like, but it's as useless as a bubblegum machine in a lockjaw ward. Oklahoma struggled with Texas (and lost). Texas struggled with Maryland (and lost). Maryland struggled with Temple (and lost). Temple struggled with Villanova (and lost). Oklahoma would still be expected to stomp Villanova if they played. And you're getting worked up about a game that USF actually won. And like to repeat the fact that they "struggled" with Illinois (despite outgaining them by almost 250 yards.

You're getting to be like DavidSt - your record is stuck on repeat.

USFFan

(10-16-2018 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:17 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The committee will show you in a couple of weeks that UCF has no shot at the CFP.

Exactly!!!! There is absolutely no way that ESPN or it's crony committee will allow a Non-Papered Conference member to enter into it's CFP's. This entire thing is a money grab and a mockery of the system. There is absolutely no route to the Playoffs for any team outside of the Pampered5.

I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

I am a little fascinated by the #3 comment. Is there a difference between beating a ranked G5 opponent vs a ranked P5 opponent. Is a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll G5 team inferior to a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll P5 team? If there is a difference in your eyes then the whole damn system is down the tubes with the ranking system. Our only current metric of ranking these teams is based on polls, which in turn, sends teams to bowls and playoffs.

Personally for me, I would like to see a team beat as many ranked teams as possible, regardless of what conference they come from.

Funny thing is that UCF could go undefeated again this year, beat a highly ranked formidable P5 team in the Peach/Fiesta, get the whole "P5 team didn't care about playing UCF" excuse thrown in their face, move into next year with an even stronger team on a 25 plus win streak, play a "down" Stanford and Pitt, rinse and repeat the same excuses.

Two points:

1) Sometimes, ranked teams can be over-rated. E.g., there's evidence of that in this week's polls. Cincy and USF are #20 and #21 in the AP poll, but in the Massey composite, they are #24 and #37.

I think what tends to happen with G5 and the polls is, yes, at the top of the polls there is a 'glass ceiling' that a very good G5 tends to run in to, as pollsters just seem unwilling to admit that they are truly top-10 material. But at the bottom end of the polls there is a tendency for unworthy G5 to creep in to the top 18-25 range by attrition, as P5 playing much tougher schedules lose their 2nd and 3rd games, while the G5 playing a soft schedule is 6-0 or whatever. This can happen for a P5 playing a soft schedule too, but is more likely to happen with a G5.

I mean, take my USF: We absolutely did not look like a top 25 team this past week, we looked like almost sure loser to a bad Tulsa team until the very end when we squeaked it out, and yet, we rose two spots in the AP poll, by attrition.

2) The "what more can they do"? argument about UCF makes little sense. While it isn't entirely UCF's fault that their schedule is abjectly bad, we can't just pretend that they are playing tough games that they aren't. Bottom line is, going 12-0 vs a soft schedule doesn't make you worthy of making the playoffs, even if you do it 5 straight years. You are competing for 4 spots out of 130 teams.

(10-16-2018 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:17 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The committee will show you in a couple of weeks that UCF has no shot at the CFP.

Exactly!!!! There is absolutely no way that ESPN or it's crony committee will allow a Non-Papered Conference member to enter into it's CFP's. This entire thing is a money grab and a mockery of the system. There is absolutely no route to the Playoffs for any team outside of the Pampered5.

I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

I am a little fascinated by the #3 comment. Is there a difference between beating a ranked G5 opponent vs a ranked P5 opponent. Is a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll G5 team inferior to a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll P5 team? If there is a difference in your eyes then the whole damn system is down the tubes with the ranking system. Our only current metric of ranking these teams is based on polls, which in turn, sends teams to bowls and playoffs.

Personally for me, I would like to see a team beat as many ranked teams as possible, regardless of what conference they come from.

Funny thing is that UCF could go undefeated again this year, beat a highly ranked formidable P5 team in the Peach/Fiesta, get the whole "P5 team didn't care about playing UCF" excuse thrown in their face, move into next year with an even stronger team on a 25 plus win streak, play a "down" Stanford and Pitt, rinse and repeat the same excuses.

Two points:

1) Sometimes, ranked teams can be over-rated. E.g., there's evidence of that in this week's polls. Cincy and USF are #20 and #21 in the AP poll, but in the Massey composite, they are #24 and #37.

I think what tends to happen with G5 and the polls is, yes, at the top of the polls there is a 'glass ceiling' that a very good G5 tends to run in to, as pollsters just seem unwilling to admit that they are truly top-10 material. But at the bottom end of the polls there is a tendency for unworthy G5 to creep in to the top 18-25 range by attrition, as P5 playing much tougher schedules lose their 2nd and 3rd games, while the G5 playing a soft schedule is 6-0 or whatever. This can happen for a P5 playing a soft schedule too, but is more likely to happen with a G5.

I mean, take my USF: We absolutely did not look like a top 25 team this past week, we looked like almost sure loser to a bad Tulsa team until the very end when we squeaked it out, and yet, we rose two spots in the AP poll, by attrition.

2) The "what more can they do"? argument about UCF makes little sense. While it isn't entirely UCF's fault that their schedule is abjectly bad, we can't just pretend that they are playing tough games that they aren't. Bottom line is, going 12-0 vs a soft schedule doesn't make you worthy of making the playoffs, even if you do it 5 straight years. You are competing for 4 spots out of 130 teams.

Well, then there is a breach of contract due to violating the spirit of the contract. The contract said there was a path, but going undefeated 5 years in a row and not making it.... or even sniffing it...... well, I would believe it would be a strong case

(10-16-2018 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:17 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 01:10 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The committee will show you in a couple of weeks that UCF has no shot at the CFP.

Exactly!!!! There is absolutely no way that ESPN or it's crony committee will allow a Non-Papered Conference member to enter into it's CFP's. This entire thing is a money grab and a mockery of the system. There is absolutely no route to the Playoffs for any team outside of the Pampered5.

I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

I am a little fascinated by the #3 comment. Is there a difference between beating a ranked G5 opponent vs a ranked P5 opponent. Is a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll G5 team inferior to a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll P5 team? If there is a difference in your eyes then the whole damn system is down the tubes with the ranking system. Our only current metric of ranking these teams is based on polls, which in turn, sends teams to bowls and playoffs.

Personally for me, I would like to see a team beat as many ranked teams as possible, regardless of what conference they come from.

Funny thing is that UCF could go undefeated again this year, beat a highly ranked formidable P5 team in the Peach/Fiesta, get the whole "P5 team didn't care about playing UCF" excuse thrown in their face, move into next year with an even stronger team on a 25 plus win streak, play a "down" Stanford and Pitt, rinse and repeat the same excuses.

Two points:

1) Sometimes, ranked teams can be over-rated. E.g., there's evidence of that in this week's polls. Cincy and USF are #20 and #21 in the AP poll, but in the Massey composite, they are #24 and #37.

I think what tends to happen with G5 and the polls is, yes, at the top of the polls there is a 'glass ceiling' that a very good G5 tends to run in to, as pollsters just seem unwilling to admit that they are truly top-10 material. But at the bottom end of the polls there is a tendency for unworthy G5 to creep in to the top 18-25 range by attrition, as P5 playing much tougher schedules lose their 2nd and 3rd games, while the G5 playing a soft schedule is 6-0 or whatever. This can happen for a P5 playing a soft schedule too, but is more likely to happen with a G5.

I mean, take my USF: We absolutely did not look like a top 25 team this past week, we looked like almost sure loser to a bad Tulsa team until the very end when we squeaked it out, and yet, we rose two spots in the AP poll, by attrition.

2) The "what more can they do"? argument about UCF makes little sense. While it isn't entirely UCF's fault that their schedule is abjectly bad, we can't just pretend that they are playing tough games that they aren't. Bottom line is, going 12-0 vs a soft schedule doesn't make you worthy of making the playoffs, even if you do it 5 straight years. You are competing for 4 spots out of 130 teams.

USF and Cincinnati are over-rated and are up there simply because they are unbeaten. But even if they really were as good as rated, it still wouldn't count as much to the voters as a win over a "known" program.

(10-16-2018 07:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:17 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Exactly!!!! There is absolutely no way that ESPN or it's crony committee will allow a Non-Papered Conference member to enter into it's CFP's. This entire thing is a money grab and a mockery of the system. There is absolutely no route to the Playoffs for any team outside of the Pampered5.

I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

I am a little fascinated by the #3 comment. Is there a difference between beating a ranked G5 opponent vs a ranked P5 opponent. Is a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll G5 team inferior to a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll P5 team? If there is a difference in your eyes then the whole damn system is down the tubes with the ranking system. Our only current metric of ranking these teams is based on polls, which in turn, sends teams to bowls and playoffs.

Personally for me, I would like to see a team beat as many ranked teams as possible, regardless of what conference they come from.

Funny thing is that UCF could go undefeated again this year, beat a highly ranked formidable P5 team in the Peach/Fiesta, get the whole "P5 team didn't care about playing UCF" excuse thrown in their face, move into next year with an even stronger team on a 25 plus win streak, play a "down" Stanford and Pitt, rinse and repeat the same excuses.

Two points:

1) Sometimes, ranked teams can be over-rated. E.g., there's evidence of that in this week's polls. Cincy and USF are #20 and #21 in the AP poll, but in the Massey composite, they are #24 and #37.

I think what tends to happen with G5 and the polls is, yes, at the top of the polls there is a 'glass ceiling' that a very good G5 tends to run in to, as pollsters just seem unwilling to admit that they are truly top-10 material. But at the bottom end of the polls there is a tendency for unworthy G5 to creep in to the top 18-25 range by attrition, as P5 playing much tougher schedules lose their 2nd and 3rd games, while the G5 playing a soft schedule is 6-0 or whatever. This can happen for a P5 playing a soft schedule too, but is more likely to happen with a G5.

I mean, take my USF: We absolutely did not look like a top 25 team this past week, we looked like almost sure loser to a bad Tulsa team until the very end when we squeaked it out, and yet, we rose two spots in the AP poll, by attrition.

2) The "what more can they do"? argument about UCF makes little sense. While it isn't entirely UCF's fault that their schedule is abjectly bad, we can't just pretend that they are playing tough games that they aren't. Bottom line is, going 12-0 vs a soft schedule doesn't make you worthy of making the playoffs, even if you do it 5 straight years. You are competing for 4 spots out of 130 teams.

USF and Cincinnati are over-rated and are up there simply because they are unbeaten. But even if they really were as good as rated, it still wouldn't count as much to the voters as a win over a "known" program.

That right there is why the system is broken. So in order to be a good program, you must be a 100 year old historically good football program.

(10-16-2018 07:43 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  I do think Houston would have made it a few years back if they won out. The path:
1) be ranked the prior year and finish strong;
2) have enough key players back to get a good preseason ranking;
3) have a ranked P5 opponent ooc and beat them;
4) don't squeak by any bad teams; and
5) run the table.

And, of course, don't be competing against 4 unbeatens out of the P5 and ND.

Houston beat OU who was top 5. But they didn't run the table.

UCF has no ranked P5 opponents. Not sure they have any P5 opponents with the cancelled game. They squeaked by Memphis, but Memphis may not be too bad. But #3 kills them.

I am a little fascinated by the #3 comment. Is there a difference between beating a ranked G5 opponent vs a ranked P5 opponent. Is a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll G5 team inferior to a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll P5 team? If there is a difference in your eyes then the whole damn system is down the tubes with the ranking system. Our only current metric of ranking these teams is based on polls, which in turn, sends teams to bowls and playoffs.

Personally for me, I would like to see a team beat as many ranked teams as possible, regardless of what conference they come from.

Funny thing is that UCF could go undefeated again this year, beat a highly ranked formidable P5 team in the Peach/Fiesta, get the whole "P5 team didn't care about playing UCF" excuse thrown in their face, move into next year with an even stronger team on a 25 plus win streak, play a "down" Stanford and Pitt, rinse and repeat the same excuses.

Two points:

1) Sometimes, ranked teams can be over-rated. E.g., there's evidence of that in this week's polls. Cincy and USF are #20 and #21 in the AP poll, but in the Massey composite, they are #24 and #37.

I think what tends to happen with G5 and the polls is, yes, at the top of the polls there is a 'glass ceiling' that a very good G5 tends to run in to, as pollsters just seem unwilling to admit that they are truly top-10 material. But at the bottom end of the polls there is a tendency for unworthy G5 to creep in to the top 18-25 range by attrition, as P5 playing much tougher schedules lose their 2nd and 3rd games, while the G5 playing a soft schedule is 6-0 or whatever. This can happen for a P5 playing a soft schedule too, but is more likely to happen with a G5.

I mean, take my USF: We absolutely did not look like a top 25 team this past week, we looked like almost sure loser to a bad Tulsa team until the very end when we squeaked it out, and yet, we rose two spots in the AP poll, by attrition.

2) The "what more can they do"? argument about UCF makes little sense. While it isn't entirely UCF's fault that their schedule is abjectly bad, we can't just pretend that they are playing tough games that they aren't. Bottom line is, going 12-0 vs a soft schedule doesn't make you worthy of making the playoffs, even if you do it 5 straight years. You are competing for 4 spots out of 130 teams.

USF and Cincinnati are over-rated and are up there simply because they are unbeaten. But even if they really were as good as rated, it still wouldn't count as much to the voters as a win over a "known" program.

That right there is why the system is broken. So in order to be a good program, you must be a 100 year old historically good football program.

No, you just need to schedule better.


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(10-16-2018 07:52 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:43 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 07:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 06:07 PM)otown Wrote:  I am a little fascinated by the #3 comment. Is there a difference between beating a ranked G5 opponent vs a ranked P5 opponent. Is a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll G5 team inferior to a #15 AP, CFP, and Coaches poll P5 team? If there is a difference in your eyes then the whole damn system is down the tubes with the ranking system. Our only current metric of ranking these teams is based on polls, which in turn, sends teams to bowls and playoffs.

Personally for me, I would like to see a team beat as many ranked teams as possible, regardless of what conference they come from.

Funny thing is that UCF could go undefeated again this year, beat a highly ranked formidable P5 team in the Peach/Fiesta, get the whole "P5 team didn't care about playing UCF" excuse thrown in their face, move into next year with an even stronger team on a 25 plus win streak, play a "down" Stanford and Pitt, rinse and repeat the same excuses.

Two points:

1) Sometimes, ranked teams can be over-rated. E.g., there's evidence of that in this week's polls. Cincy and USF are #20 and #21 in the AP poll, but in the Massey composite, they are #24 and #37.

I think what tends to happen with G5 and the polls is, yes, at the top of the polls there is a 'glass ceiling' that a very good G5 tends to run in to, as pollsters just seem unwilling to admit that they are truly top-10 material. But at the bottom end of the polls there is a tendency for unworthy G5 to creep in to the top 18-25 range by attrition, as P5 playing much tougher schedules lose their 2nd and 3rd games, while the G5 playing a soft schedule is 6-0 or whatever. This can happen for a P5 playing a soft schedule too, but is more likely to happen with a G5.

I mean, take my USF: We absolutely did not look like a top 25 team this past week, we looked like almost sure loser to a bad Tulsa team until the very end when we squeaked it out, and yet, we rose two spots in the AP poll, by attrition.

2) The "what more can they do"? argument about UCF makes little sense. While it isn't entirely UCF's fault that their schedule is abjectly bad, we can't just pretend that they are playing tough games that they aren't. Bottom line is, going 12-0 vs a soft schedule doesn't make you worthy of making the playoffs, even if you do it 5 straight years. You are competing for 4 spots out of 130 teams.

USF and Cincinnati are over-rated and are up there simply because they are unbeaten. But even if they really were as good as rated, it still wouldn't count as much to the voters as a win over a "known" program.

That right there is why the system is broken. So in order to be a good program, you must be a 100 year old historically good football program.

No, you just need to schedule better.


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I suggest you reread this thread. It has been addressed. Unless you can see into the future 5 years, those 2 to 3 P5 programs that you schedule can be outright duds. G5 programs don't have the fallback of a conference schedule with 2-3 over ranked and over hyped programs yearly to boost a crappy OOC schedule.

And my comment was specifically directed at Bullet's comment about needing to beat a "known" program in the voter's eyes.

The year that everyone refers to as a G5 breakthrough year, the year Houston beat Oklahoma and Louisville, they easily could have had the Louisville of today on their schedule.

As long as UC and USF keep winning, things look better for UCF. The Knights will remain in creep mode as long as these other big schools keep dropping games.

I love to see it but just my eye test on the two teams I root for both are overrated.

OSU #2 eh more like 5-6 most years. Is all of college football down besides Bama who still has yet to truly prove themselves? Not impressed with our D thus far
UC#20 eh haven’t played anyone yet more like 30-40. Lots of chances to prove themselves in the later half of the season though. Young team that seems to get better each week.

Outside of Bama, who hasn't really played anyone yet, I'm not really impressed with anyone.