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(10-16-2018 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If true.....wow. Just wow.


I haven't had time to go back and see what Chris Kingston (who resigned from Bowling Green shortly after hiring Mike Jinks) was saying about his selection process three years ago. But the leading Bowling Green blog says this isn't really accurate. It strikes me as an oversimplification.

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10-17-2018 11:34 AM
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(10-14-2018 10:38 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 10:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BG lucked out with Urban Meyer and Dino Babers who were unusually successful.

I would argue Dave Clawson was more successful than either of them. Clawson rebuilt Bowling Green into a MAC champion. Dino Babers was handed the keys and won another MAC championship with the program Clawson built. (Not as difficult.) And while Urban Meyer won a lot of games right away at Bowling Green, he never won the division.

Urban was in a division with Marshall when they were a juggernaut. Clawson didn't have to worry about that.
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(10-17-2018 11:39 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 10:38 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 10:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BG lucked out with Urban Meyer and Dino Babers who were unusually successful.

I would argue Dave Clawson was more successful than either of them. Clawson rebuilt Bowling Green into a MAC champion. Dino Babers was handed the keys and won another MAC championship with the program Clawson built. (Not as difficult.) And while Urban Meyer won a lot of games right away at Bowling Green, he never won the division.

Urban was in a division with Marshall when they were a juggernaut. Clawson didn't have to worry about that.

And then the MAC added future national champion UCF, shifting Bowling Green to the West.
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(10-17-2018 11:39 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 10:38 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 10:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BG lucked out with Urban Meyer and Dino Babers who were unusually successful.

I would argue Dave Clawson was more successful than either of them. Clawson rebuilt Bowling Green into a MAC champion. Dino Babers was handed the keys and won another MAC championship with the program Clawson built. (Not as difficult.) And while Urban Meyer won a lot of games right away at Bowling Green, he never won the division.

Urban was in a division with Marshall when they were a juggernaut. Clawson didn't have to worry about that.

Bowling Green was only in the East the first of Urban Meyer's two seasons. The year after Meyer left, Bowling Green won the MAC West. The Falcons beat two Big Ten teams that season, but couldn't get past Miami and Ben Roethlisberger.
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(10-17-2018 02:02 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(10-17-2018 11:39 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 10:38 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(10-14-2018 10:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  BG lucked out with Urban Meyer and Dino Babers who were unusually successful.

I would argue Dave Clawson was more successful than either of them. Clawson rebuilt Bowling Green into a MAC champion. Dino Babers was handed the keys and won another MAC championship with the program Clawson built. (Not as difficult.) And while Urban Meyer won a lot of games right away at Bowling Green, he never won the division.

Urban was in a division with Marshall when they were a juggernaut. Clawson didn't have to worry about that.

Bowling Green was only in the East the first of Urban Meyer's two seasons. The year after Meyer left, Bowling Green won the MAC West. The Falcons beat two Big Ten teams that season, but couldn't get past Miami and Ben Roethlisberger.

And they only lost to OSU by one possession that same season. 2003 was a killer year for the MAC.

BG is usually one of the better programs in the conference in spite of a pretty dinky market in a less than desirable college town. With a good hire they'll be bowling again in a few years, that's the way the MAC is for the most part.
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BG has a good college town environment. If I were to compare it to P5 it would probably be middle of the road setting.

Is it one of the very best campuses in the country like Miami no.

Most MAC campuses grade about middle P5 quality, some higher some lower. There is a reason why the MAC has stayed a strong FB conference despite the demographics, weather ect.
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I thought Jinks got fired because he couldn't catch Pixie OR Dixie.
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BG remains the only G5 to host College Gameday in a battle of 2 Top 25 G5 teams.

BG recently came off 3 straight MAC Title appearances winning 2.

BG has beaten their share of P5 teams (including top 25) over the years and even given a blueblood (OSU) a one-score game.

BG’s produced coaches like Urban Meyer, Dino Babers, & Dave Clawson.

Bowling Green isn’t a MAC weaklink - they’re a historic program who’s made the MAC better.

The Falcons will be back.
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If you list the MAC by FTE enrollment that is kind of telling...

Kent State 19,034
Buffalo 18,732
Ohio 17,794
C.Michigan 17,077
Miami 16,109
Ball State 15,018
W.Michigan 14,999

Akron 13,367
Bowling Green 13,111
Toledo 12,810
E.Michigan 12,714
N.Illinois 12,323

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

Those other schools in the lower tier have something going for them. NIU is the 3rd FBS school in the 5th most populated state so has a recruiting advantage. Toledo is one of just a handful of schools that has medical, law, engineering and pharmacy schools. Akron has the best FB stadium in the conference.

For EMU and BG there is a question as whether they can sustain it at the FBS level long term. At least EMU is not coughing up 1 million on a coaching buyout to try and bring a new guy in. They wait out their cruddy coaches.
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(10-24-2018 06:34 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If you list the MAC by FTE enrollment that is kind of telling...

Kent State 19,034
Buffalo 18,732
Ohio 17,794
C.Michigan 17,077
Miami 16,109
Ball State 15,018
W.Michigan 14,999

Akron 13,367
Bowling Green 13,111
Toledo 12,810
E.Michigan 12,714
N.Illinois 12,323

https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

Those other schools in the lower tier have something going for them. NIU is the 3rd FBS school in the 5th most populated state so has a recruiting advantage. Toledo is one of just a handful of schools that has medical, law, engineering and pharmacy schools. Akron has the best FB stadium in the conference.

For EMU and BG there is a question as whether they can sustain it at the FBS level long term. At least EMU is not coughing up 1 million on a coaching buyout to try and bring a new guy in. They wait out their cruddy coaches.

Kinda funny how the schools with lower FTE tend to be the MAC powers
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(10-23-2018 11:45 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Bowling Green isn’t a MAC weaklink - they’re a historic program who’s made the MAC better.

Thank you.

(10-24-2018 06:34 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For EMU and BG there is a question as whether they can sustain it at the FBS level long term.

You are just being silly at this point.
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(10-24-2018 06:34 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For EMU and BG there is a question as whether they can sustain it at the FBS level long term. At least EMU is not coughing up 1 million on a coaching buyout to try and bring a new guy in. They wait out their cruddy coaches.

Says the fan of a school that hasn't won a MAC title since LBJ was president.
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