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NFL, NCAA to convene for unprecedented meeting aimed at aligning player safety rules
Quote:Safety is the common ground motivating officials from the NFL and NCAA to convene in New York later this month for an unprecedented in-season summit aimed at aligning player protection rules.

No, the NFL isn’t angling to institute college football’s wild overtime system. Defensive pass interference will remain a spot foul in the pro game. But power brokers on both sides sense a need for consistency when it comes to measures — chiefly rules and techniques — needed for a safer game.

“It’s long overdue,” Troy Vincent, NFL executive vice president for football operations, told USA TODAY Sports. “I think we can learn from each other. That’s the intent.”

It’s been a tough season for the NFL on the officiating front, with numerous controversies stemming from how rules — namely an emphasis on the roughing-the-passer foul and a new helmet rule that bans lowering the head to initiate contact — are interpreted and applied. That will surely be a topic of discussion when league owners meet Tuesday and Wednesday in New York.

Yet there’s little debate that the rules in question are fueled by efforts to minimize football's inherent danger. The meeting at NFL headquarters on Oct. 30 is an extension of such objectives. It will include representatives from the NFL and NCAA officiating departments and competition committees, and likely other invested parties — including the NFL Players Associations and delegates from various conferences.

Vincent said the goal is to establish standards that apply on all levels of football, creating consistency that extends to a player’s earliest days playing the sport. Vincent expressed frustration that players too often ascend to the NFL needing to learn new techniques, given the pro game's specific rules. He used the chop block, now outlawed in the NFL, as an example of how the rule book's goalposts move depending on the league.

“We just eliminated the chop block two years ago,” Vincent said. “Well, on the high school level and in Pop Warner, it never existed.”

Increased focus in recent years on the effects of head injuries have prompted numerous rule changes and officiating standards throughout football — including the college game's “targeting” rule and NFL's new emphasis on its pre-existing roughing-the-passer penalty and those helmet-to-helmet blows that occur all too often among all players.

“There is so much focus to do better at health and safety,” Arizona State athletic director Ray Anderson, who chairs the NCAA’s Division I Football Competition Committee, told USA TODAY Sports.

“If the rules need to be tweaked or changed ... we just need to get this right.”

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I'm all for player safety, but there are reasons why the NFL is called the No Fun League. Its getting to the point where the NCAA and the NFL are just passing rules, just to pass rules for no rhyme or reason.
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So now the NFL is looking to further ruin CFB? The NFL realizes that it is getting tons of flack over their new fake safety rules so they want to make sure that CFB has them too. This way fans can't say "CFB is better because it doesn't have fake safety rules like NFL."
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tought it was intresting NFL changed OT rules for players protection
NCAA has not made a move
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(10-16-2018 07:31 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  tought it was intresting NFL changed OT rules for players protection
NCAA has not made a move

While I appreciate the fairness of College OT, I really hate the format. Just play 10m with both teams getting the ball. Someone will score a TD in that time. I also hate that OT wins are considered the same as regular wins for teams like Oklahoma who barely escaped Army at home.
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(10-16-2018 08:43 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 07:31 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  tought it was intresting NFL changed OT rules for players protection
NCAA has not made a move

While I appreciate the fairness of College OT, I really hate the format. Just play 10m with both teams getting the ball. Someone will score a TD in that time. I also hate that OT wins are considered the same as regular wins for teams like Oklahoma who barely escaped Army at home.

Where it really sucks is in conference play. You go on the road, hold it even for 60 minutes and then lose on penalty kicks or whatever it is you want to call the college OT system. Now you are a game back in the conference race, or worse it happens in an inter-divisional game and you get a loss that counts against a team you aren't fighting against for the divisional title.
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(10-17-2018 02:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 08:43 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 07:31 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  tought it was intresting NFL changed OT rules for players protection
NCAA has not made a move

While I appreciate the fairness of College OT, I really hate the format. Just play 10m with both teams getting the ball. Someone will score a TD in that time. I also hate that OT wins are considered the same as regular wins for teams like Oklahoma who barely escaped Army at home.

Where it really sucks is in conference play. You go on the road, hold it even for 60 minutes and then lose on penalty kicks or whatever it is you want to call the college OT system. Now you are a game back in the conference race, or worse it happens in an inter-divisional game and you get a loss that counts against a team you aren't fighting against for the divisional title.

Penalty Kicks is a good analogy. The game basically boils down to a coin flip.
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NFL Overtime is not the coin flip it used to be. The old rule was first to score would win, which most teams would kick a 40 yd fg to win. But I like the new rule now, where the team that doesn't have the ball first has a chance if they keep the opposing team out of the endzone.

I don't like the college OT, it can go on forever. They get the ball so close where a team should get a TD.
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(10-18-2018 08:59 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  NFL Overtime is not the coin flip it used to be. The old rule was first to score would win, which most teams would kick a 40 yd fg to win. But I like the new rule now, where the team that doesn't have the ball first has a chance if they keep the opposing team out of the endzone.

I don't like the college OT, it can go on forever. They get the ball so close where a team should get a TD.

Third OT you have to go for two which really gets you into coin flip territory.

If you are going to do the alternating possession, I've argued that there need to be two changes.

After any possession where both score, the next round starts five yards deeper than the one before.
The team playing defense first in a round shouldn't be allowed to attempt a FG unless the team on offense first attempts one. That strips most of the advantage of going second to balance it out.
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I love college OT. I like have a definitive winner and loser. I don't view it the same as a coin flip because both teams have the ability to control their own fates. They both know what they need to do to win at that point. Unlike the NFL's old rules where the game was essentially decided on the coin flip of "who gets the ball first wins" issue, the college system is much fairer. I don't care if it goes to multiple OTs so long as a winner emerges.
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I've often wondered why they don't just extend the game.

Like, if Chicago has the ball on their own 40 yard line and time runs out and the score is tied, start overtime with Chicago with the ball on their own 40 yard line. No coin flip, it's just an extension of the 2nd half.

I guess you could argue that it changes thinking in the final 2 minutes of a game if the score is tied... you might not risk a 48-yard field goal attempt as time expires if you know you get to keep it where you are in OT... but still, I don't think it's any worse that the craziness of other overtime models.
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(10-18-2018 09:12 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 08:59 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  NFL Overtime is not the coin flip it used to be. The old rule was first to score would win, which most teams would kick a 40 yd fg to win. But I like the new rule now, where the team that doesn't have the ball first has a chance if they keep the opposing team out of the endzone.

I don't like the college OT, it can go on forever. They get the ball so close where a team should get a TD.

Third OT you have to go for two which really gets you into coin flip territory.

If you are going to do the alternating possession, I've argued that there need to be two changes.

After any possession where both score, the next round starts five yards deeper than the one before.
The team playing defense first in a round shouldn't be allowed to attempt a FG unless the team on offense first attempts one. That strips most of the advantage of going second to balance it out.

Those are both good changes.

I'm not buying the coin flip arguments. The one factor most important in overtime is stamina/fatigue. The deeper, better conditioned team has an advantage. What's wrong with that? Isn't that how it should be?
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(10-16-2018 07:31 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  tought it was intresting NFL changed OT rules for players protection
NCAA has not made a move

I'm not buying the idea that the real reason behind reducing the NFL OT to ten minutes was for player safety.
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(10-16-2018 08:43 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 07:31 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  tought it was intresting NFL changed OT rules for players protection
NCAA has not made a move

While I appreciate the fairness of College OT, I really hate the format. Just play 10m with both teams getting the ball. Someone will score a TD in that time. I also hate that OT wins are considered the same as regular wins for teams like Oklahoma who barely escaped Army at home.

There's nothing wrong with a tie. It says something and reveals the coaches attitudes in some cases.

That said my suggestion for college OT is that the ball should be placed on the 50 to start the series. I don't think we would need so many overtimes if they would adopt this format. Some schools wouldn't get into to field goal range and the other team wouldn't be starting in it either. Right now they kick three when they couldn't move the ball. It requires too little risk and too much reliance on playing for another period and really allows each coach to be less aggressive.

And I'd say that if the teams are still tied at the end of a second overtime it's a tie. That would change the whole strategy of the 1st and 2nd overtime periods.
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(10-18-2018 11:39 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 07:31 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  tought it was intresting NFL changed OT rules for players protection
NCAA has not made a move

I'm not buying the idea that the real reason behind reducing the NFL OT to ten minutes was for player safety.
Right! It's about keeping the fans attention.
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Fatigue/Stamina are why kids get hurt
deeper/ better team just feeds the monstor
coaches play for OT middle 3rd Q, takes pressure of 5M coach, puts it on players
team A kicks XP end of game for tie, 3rd OT manatory 2PT for win

Army played thier guts out & tied Okla, went home with loss
kept Okla in playoffs picture [feed the monstor]
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(10-18-2018 02:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 08:43 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 07:31 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  tought it was intresting NFL changed OT rules for players protection
NCAA has not made a move

While I appreciate the fairness of College OT, I really hate the format. Just play 10m with both teams getting the ball. Someone will score a TD in that time. I also hate that OT wins are considered the same as regular wins for teams like Oklahoma who barely escaped Army at home.

That said my suggestion for college OT is that the ball should be placed on the 50 to start the series. I don't think we would need so many overtimes if they would adopt this format. Some schools wouldn't get into to field goal range and the other team wouldn't be starting in it either. Right now they kick three when they couldn't move the ball. It requires too little risk and too much reliance on playing for another period and really allows each coach to be less aggressive.

The problem with that is, if neither team can score it makes the game go longer than it would now
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(10-19-2018 02:46 PM)debragga Wrote:  
(10-18-2018 02:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 08:43 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(10-16-2018 07:31 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  tought it was intresting NFL changed OT rules for players protection
NCAA has not made a move

While I appreciate the fairness of College OT, I really hate the format. Just play 10m with both teams getting the ball. Someone will score a TD in that time. I also hate that OT wins are considered the same as regular wins for teams like Oklahoma who barely escaped Army at home.

That said my suggestion for college OT is that the ball should be placed on the 50 to start the series. I don't think we would need so many overtimes if they would adopt this format. Some schools wouldn't get into to field goal range and the other team wouldn't be starting in it either. Right now they kick three when they couldn't move the ball. It requires too little risk and too much reliance on playing for another period and really allows each coach to be less aggressive.

The problem with that is, if neither team can score it makes the game go longer than it would now

In my other post I suggested that if it isn't resolved in 2 OT's it's a tie.
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seems to me, Injuries would drop 20% with no OT
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