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If there is no movement from the MWC or the AAC after next contracts, then you'll see a SBC/CUSA reshuffle.

Always hear talk of a "best of" conference forming between the 2. The problem is that there is just no good way of determining who goes in that "best of" group.

To put it another way, there is no grouping of schools that could be arranged that would give said group a clear advantage over those left out. If you believe that, you are lying to yourself.

However, things must be addressed like travel and regional recruiting. Look at a map. A central grouping minus the Texas schools and the Florida schools removes several schools from some of their prime recruiting areas. Not gonna happen.

At the end of the day, you are going to have a Texas based conference and an eastern based conference that includes the Florida schools. The real question is which side gets UAB and Southern Miss?

This is gonna be spearheaded by the CUSA schools. A group of schools will leave and invite a few others. The remaining CUSA schools will add a few schools. There may or may not be an SBC after that.
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(10-24-2018 01:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 01:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 12:38 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I heard a rumor that JMU was going to the AAC

lol...Maybe for rowing.

I don't think they've got the P6 pedigree we're looking for in rowing.

lol...my school doesnt even have a team. 04-cheers
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(10-24-2018 02:19 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  If there is no movement from the MWC or the AAC after next contracts, then you'll see a SBC/CUSA reshuffle.

Always hear talk of a "best of" conference forming between the 2. The problem is that there is just no good way of determining who goes in that "best of" group.

To put it another way, there is no grouping of schools that could be arranged that would give said group a clear advantage over those left out. If you believe that, you are lying to yourself.

However, things must be addressed like travel and regional recruiting. Look at a map. A central grouping minus the Texas schools and the Florida schools removes several schools from some of their prime recruiting areas. Not gonna happen.

At the end of the day, you are going to have a Texas based conference and an eastern based conference that includes the Florida schools. The real question is which side gets UAB and Southern Miss?

This is gonna be spearheaded by the CUSA schools. A group of schools will leave and invite a few others. The remaining CUSA schools will add a few schools. There may or may not be an SBC after that.

Thats one issue. In any given year, the "best" of that group could change significantly as teams have good years and others fall back to the pack.

However, the real problem with a "best of" grouping from those two conferences is that it wouldn't generate significantly any more money than the current alignment and would be as spread out as the current configurations. So, you end up with no savings and likely no more revenue.

I suspect any reorganization is going to be built around geography so at least everyone sees some saving from lower travel costs. With that tighter geography, hopefully more real rivalries will development that can drive an increase in media value at some future date.
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(10-24-2018 02:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 01:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 01:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 12:38 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I heard a rumor that JMU was going to the AAC

lol...Maybe for rowing.

I don't think they've got the P6 pedigree we're looking for in rowing.

lol...my school doesnt even have a team. 04-cheers

Well you should still be proud of your conference, pulling Old Dominion away from the B12 was a major coup for them in the sport. Really cements that P6 narrative.
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(10-24-2018 12:38 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I heard a rumor that JMU was going to the AAC

They do have better facilities than Tulane, at least from what I can see on I-81 when I drive by there.
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Ah, the much discussed C-USA/SBC shuffle:

If you have to stick within the administrative structures of the two leagues then I guess you just have to draw a dividing line through the footprint.

The preferable move, if you can get the NCAA to bless the move and allow autobids and can get a slice of playoff money then you spinoff 7 C-USA schools and that group adds 3 schools of their choice. The remaining 7 also add 3 schools they like. What's left of the Sunbelt backfills from FCS or chooses among independents NMSU, Liberty, and UMass for either full or affiliate members.
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(10-24-2018 03:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Ah, the much discussed C-USA/SBC shuffle:

If you have to stick within the administrative structures of the two leagues then I guess you just have to draw a dividing line through the footprint.

The preferable move, if you can get the NCAA to bless the move and allow autobids and can get a slice of playoff money then you spinoff 7 C-USA schools and that group adds 3 schools of their choice. The remaining 7 also add 3 schools they like. What's left of the Sunbelt backfills from FCS or chooses among independents NMSU, Liberty, and UMass for either full or affiliate members.

I think NMSU ends up in the Texas based league I talked about. This grouping would not leave out UTEP, and if UTEP is in, so is NMSU. The main reason we are doing this is financial. Having a travel partner for UTEP only makes sense and NMSU also adds a lot of value in basketball, the other revenue sport.

We are past the time of egos. If it makes enough financial sense, it will happen.
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(10-24-2018 04:09 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 03:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Ah, the much discussed C-USA/SBC shuffle:

If you have to stick within the administrative structures of the two leagues then I guess you just have to draw a dividing line through the footprint.

The preferable move, if you can get the NCAA to bless the move and allow autobids and can get a slice of playoff money then you spinoff 7 C-USA schools and that group adds 3 schools of their choice. The remaining 7 also add 3 schools they like. What's left of the Sunbelt backfills from FCS or chooses among independents NMSU, Liberty, and UMass for either full or affiliate members.

I think NMSU ends up in the Texas based league I talked about. This grouping would not leave out UTEP, and if UTEP is in, so is NMSU. The main reason we are doing this is financial. Having a travel partner for UTEP only makes sense and NMSU also adds a lot of value in basketball, the other revenue sport.

We are past the time of egos. If it makes enough financial sense, it will happen.

But does it really make financial sense to add a 13th team? Between the Sun Belt and Conference USA, there are 24 schools. That means that if a split was made, each conference would take 12 schools, even though 10 is all you truly need. Adding an additional mouth to feed just for the heck of it doesn't make financial sense from that mindset. Instead, cutting schools is what makes sense, but that also won't happen.
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(10-24-2018 04:09 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 03:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Ah, the much discussed C-USA/SBC shuffle:

If you have to stick within the administrative structures of the two leagues then I guess you just have to draw a dividing line through the footprint.

The preferable move, if you can get the NCAA to bless the move and allow autobids and can get a slice of playoff money then you spinoff 7 C-USA schools and that group adds 3 schools of their choice. The remaining 7 also add 3 schools they like. What's left of the Sunbelt backfills from FCS or chooses among independents NMSU, Liberty, and UMass for either full or affiliate members.

I think NMSU ends up in the Texas based league I talked about. This grouping would not leave out UTEP, and if UTEP is in, so is NMSU. The main reason we are doing this is financial. Having a travel partner for UTEP only makes sense and NMSU also adds a lot of value in basketball, the other revenue sport.

We are past the time of egos. If it makes enough financial sense, it will happen.

The top 2 picks to add to C-USA West are ULL and Ark St. NMSU is battling Texas St and USA for the last spot. If UTEP is willing to go to bat for them then yes the Aggies are #10. Personally I think Texas St the edge. All 3 have nearby schools that might not want them.

Then again, you could do 12--5 Texas schools and NMSU in one division, everyone else in the other.
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If you can get a waiver to have a 4-team playoff in conferences bigger than 14 members, it's worthwhile to expand past that number. Otherwise, stay where you are.
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(10-24-2018 12:38 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I heard a rumor that JMU was going to the AAC

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I think the real solution is to have 25 teams split across three conferences, not two:

WAC - NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, UNT, LTU, USM
SBC - stAte, UL, ULM, USA, Troy, UAB, MTSU, WKU
CUSA - FAU, FIU, GS, GSU, CCU, App St, UNCC, ODU, MU

If one or both of UTRGV or UT-Arlington start football, then Southern Miss can slide to the Sun Belt.

I left Arkansas State in the SBC to satisfy their desire to recruit in Alabama. I sent Louisiana Tech back to the WAC to keep from being in a conference with Louisiana-Monroe. Little Rock would presumably stay in the SBC with Arkansas State.

The WAC would be easier to liquidate - repurposing another Conference like the CAA or Atlantic Sun might mean taking in more new FBS programs. If the WCC can take Seattle and Grand Canyon, the rest is downhill from there - the Big Sky takes Cal Baptist and Utah Valley, the Summit takes UMKC, and Chicago State moves to Division II or Division III. UTRGV stays put and can pursue football at a pace that makes sense for them.
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Honestly, you can accomplish virtually anything desired by realignment of CUSA and Sun Belt by firing both conference offices and hiring a combined office to handle all the administrative stuff.
Then cut back on the league schedules reducing inter-divisional games and replacing them with extra non-conference games between the two leagues.
Hoops rules require 14 conference games for example. Instead of 18 or 20 league games play 14 conference games and 4 or 6 inter-conference games.
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(10-24-2018 05:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Honestly, you can accomplish virtually anything desired by realignment of CUSA and Sun Belt by firing both conference offices and hiring a combined office to handle all the administrative stuff.

They could put this into place right now. The Sun Belt commissioner is retiring in June. Instead of hiring a new Sun Belt commissioner, just make a deal with CUSA to create a combined administrative staff. If they really want to, they can call one person on the combined staff the "Commissioner of CUSA", and another person the "Commissioner of the Sun Belt".
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(10-24-2018 05:50 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think the real solution is to have 25 teams split across three conferences, not two:

WAC - NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, Rice, UNT, LTU, USM
SBC - stAte, UL, ULM, USA, Troy, UAB, MTSU, WKU
CUSA - FAU, FIU, GS, GSU, CCU, App St, UNCC, ODU, MU

If one or both of UTRGV or UT-Arlington start football, then Southern Miss can slide to the Sun Belt.

I left Arkansas State in the SBC to satisfy their desire to recruit in Alabama. I sent Louisiana Tech back to the WAC to keep from being in a conference with Louisiana-Monroe. Little Rock would presumably stay in the SBC with Arkansas State.

The WAC would be easier to liquidate - repurposing another Conference like the CAA or Atlantic Sun might mean taking in more new FBS programs. If the WCC can take Seattle and Grand Canyon, the rest is downhill from there - the Big Sky takes Cal Baptist and Utah Valley, the Summit takes UMKC, and Chicago State moves to Division II or Division III. UTRGV stays put and can pursue football at a pace that makes sense for them.

Sorry to say, but this is getting into NoDak territory....
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(10-24-2018 05:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Honestly, you can accomplish virtually anything desired by realignment of CUSA and Sun Belt by firing both conference offices and hiring a combined office to handle all the administrative stuff.
Then cut back on the league schedules reducing inter-divisional games and replacing them with extra non-conference games between the two leagues.
Hoops rules require 14 conference games for example. Instead of 18 or 20 league games play 14 conference games and 4 or 6 inter-conference games.

Could get messy.

How would you handle revenue sharing? Tourney units? What about the extra non-conference games? Will they be required? Assigned? Will schools be able to opt out?
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Geographical split is logical. If travel costs are problem for G5, just divide it East/West. No need for CCU to go to TXST/UTEP or any school that far west. I would hate to give up playing Louisiana/USA in baseball and replace it with Marshall and ODU.
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(10-24-2018 06:48 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 05:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Honestly, you can accomplish virtually anything desired by realignment of CUSA and Sun Belt by firing both conference offices and hiring a combined office to handle all the administrative stuff.
Then cut back on the league schedules reducing inter-divisional games and replacing them with extra non-conference games between the two leagues.
Hoops rules require 14 conference games for example. Instead of 18 or 20 league games play 14 conference games and 4 or 6 inter-conference games.

Could get messy.

How would you handle revenue sharing? Tourney units? What about the extra non-conference games? Will they be required? Assigned? Will schools be able to opt out?

You just share the front office costs.

But that type of merger could lead to a re-shuffling. The problem is that the CUSA already is a "best of." If you looked at athletic budgets, the AAC pretty much went straight down the line in pulling from CUSA and then the CUSA did the same in pulling from the Sun Belt.

If you did want a good geographic fit, you could trade the 6 westernmost CUSA for the 6 easternmost Sun Belt and have a perfect E/W split.
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(10-24-2018 10:37 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 10:22 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  8-team divisions means you're locked into 7 opponents every year and only 1 rotating cross-division game. At 16, you're better off in 2 separate conferences.

FTFY
Both can be better than two locked 8 team divisions ... if we assume every outcome has a seat in the Go5, the CFP share and the Access Bowl race.

Two separate conferences means one inherits CUSA's seat at the table and one does not.

16 with permanent divisions basically IS two separate conferences with a scheduling agreement and an agreement to split the CFP share, and to have their conference champions play off for the chance at the Access Bowl. Indeed, with the new continuity rules, it would basically be a middle step TO splitting into two conferences, after both divisions have established continuity and can have guaranteed March Madness autobids. If the split is lined up with the start of the next CFP contract, the divisions could negotiate their individual place in the CFP at that time.

As far as watering down the CFP and tourney unit revenues by adding 2 new members ... that is not so much money when divided by 14. It wouldn't be surprising if divisional scheduling in Olympic sports could save that in travel costs alone.
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(10-24-2018 06:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-24-2018 05:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Honestly, you can accomplish virtually anything desired by realignment of CUSA and Sun Belt by firing both conference offices and hiring a combined office to handle all the administrative stuff.

They could put this into place right now. The Sun Belt commissioner is retiring in June. Instead of hiring a new Sun Belt commissioner, just make a deal with CUSA to create a combined administrative staff. If they really want to, they can call one person on the combined staff the "Commissioner of CUSA", and another person the "Commissioner of the Sun Belt".

Or take a page from MLB and make the president of one school from each league the figurehead president of the conference.

I actually suggested to AState's AD that we just contract SEC to provide most of our services, we already do it with football officials and I think basketball (used to use Big 12 for hoops). After that you need someone to handle record keeping, issuing press releases and managing league championship events. Hell you can hire Learfield to do all of your marketing and sales and ESPN Events would likely be more than happy to take over the football and basketball championship events.
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