(11-18-2018 11:54 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 11:45 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 11:08 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Our contract minimum is 28 games on ABC or ESPN or ESPN2 or ESPNU, with 3 on ABC.

Last year, ESPN lost about 14-20 Big 10 games to Fox under the new Big 10 contract.

Last year, ESPN televised 32 American games with 4 on ABC.

This year, with several weeks left to schedule, ESPN is already slated to televise 31 games with 6 on ABC.

Bear in mind that Navy joins the contract next year, including their ND series.

Also next year, the ACC network is supposed to debut. Unknown how that will affect ESPN's ACC inventory for the normal ESPN channels.

All in all, I think it is a good sign that ESPN is televising more than the minimum, both total and on ABC, in the two years leading up to the renegotiation. Whether it's because of compelling American inventory, or the loss of inventory elsewhere.

Final numbers for 2018

7 on ABC
37 total on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU

Since the Fox Big 10 deal went into effect last year, ESPN televised 13 more games than the American contract minimum, and 5 more than the minimum on ABC.

Does that include next week's games? USF-UCF will be on ESPN, Houston-Memphis will be a noon kick off on ABC (both on Friday), then on saturday Navy vs. Tulane and Temple vs. UConn will be back to back on ESPNU.

Yes.

(11-18-2018 03:45 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  I am thinking that next year with the launch of the ACC Network that ABC/ESPN will have even more available slots to show games, most likely those will be filled by the AAC. In turn I would expect games that would otherwise be on ESPNU/News to be upgraded to ESPN2/U. Furthermore should see just as many ABC/ESPN games as this yr, if not more.

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Will ESPNU be converted to the ACC network? Or will the ACC channel be something totally new?

(11-18-2018 06:46 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 03:45 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  I am thinking that next year with the launch of the ACC Network that ABC/ESPN will have even more available slots to show games, most likely those will be filled by the AAC. In turn I would expect games that would otherwise be on ESPNU/News to be upgraded to ESPN2/U. Furthermore should see just as many ABC/ESPN games as this yr, if not more.

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Will ESPNU be converted to the ACC network? Or will the ACC channel be something totally new?

The ACC Network will be totally new. It is not taking over an existing ESPN network. It also will likely not affect the ESPN available inventory too much. My understanding is that it will largely be using inventory rights obtained from the old Raycom syndicated OTA network. So, ESPN might be adding a few games from the current ESPN inventory to help beef up the new network's value--but most of what we will see on the ACC Network will be Raycom inventory ESPN never had access to.

(11-18-2018 06:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 06:46 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 03:45 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  I am thinking that next year with the launch of the ACC Network that ABC/ESPN will have even more available slots to show games, most likely those will be filled by the AAC. In turn I would expect games that would otherwise be on ESPNU/News to be upgraded to ESPN2/U. Furthermore should see just as many ABC/ESPN games as this yr, if not more.

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Will ESPNU be converted to the ACC network? Or will the ACC channel be something totally new?

The ACC Network will be totally new. It is not taking over an existing ESPN network. It also will likely not affect the ESPN available inventory too much. My understanding is that it will largely be using inventory rights obtained from the old Raycom syndicated OTA network. So, ESPN might be adding a few games from the current ESPN inventory to help beef up the new network's value--but most of what we will see on the ACC Network will be Raycom inventory ESPN never had access to.

Ah shucks, that is a good point, I didn't realize that. Well last year is our last of the current contract isn't it, so it really won't matter much will it? All I know is if the AAC ends up going to NBC (if we don't have a split deal with ESPN) then ESPN is going to be needing to add inventory from somewhere possibly.

(11-19-2018 09:12 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 06:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 06:46 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 03:45 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  I am thinking that next year with the launch of the ACC Network that ABC/ESPN will have even more available slots to show games, most likely those will be filled by the AAC. In turn I would expect games that would otherwise be on ESPNU/News to be upgraded to ESPN2/U. Furthermore should see just as many ABC/ESPN games as this yr, if not more.

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Will ESPNU be converted to the ACC network? Or will the ACC channel be something totally new?

The ACC Network will be totally new. It is not taking over an existing ESPN network. It also will likely not affect the ESPN available inventory too much. My understanding is that it will largely be using inventory rights obtained from the old Raycom syndicated OTA network. So, ESPN might be adding a few games from the current ESPN inventory to help beef up the new network's value--but most of what we will see on the ACC Network will be Raycom inventory ESPN never had access to.

Ah shucks, that is a good point, I didn't realize that. Well last year is our last of the current contract isn't it, so it really won't matter much will it? All I know is if the AAC ends up going to NBC (if we don't have a split deal with ESPN) then ESPN is going to be needing to add inventory from somewhere possibly.

What it means is that the second ACC night game will be going to the ACC Network, while the Raycom/RSN games will be the daytime games. For the American, this means the ESPNNEWS game might be on ESPNU instead.

(11-19-2018 11:06 AM)whittx Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 09:12 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 06:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 06:46 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 03:45 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  I am thinking that next year with the launch of the ACC Network that ABC/ESPN will have even more available slots to show games, most likely those will be filled by the AAC. In turn I would expect games that would otherwise be on ESPNU/News to be upgraded to ESPN2/U. Furthermore should see just as many ABC/ESPN games as this yr, if not more.

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Will ESPNU be converted to the ACC network? Or will the ACC channel be something totally new?

The ACC Network will be totally new. It is not taking over an existing ESPN network. It also will likely not affect the ESPN available inventory too much. My understanding is that it will largely be using inventory rights obtained from the old Raycom syndicated OTA network. So, ESPN might be adding a few games from the current ESPN inventory to help beef up the new network's value--but most of what we will see on the ACC Network will be Raycom inventory ESPN never had access to.

Ah shucks, that is a good point, I didn't realize that. Well last year is our last of the current contract isn't it, so it really won't matter much will it? All I know is if the AAC ends up going to NBC (if we don't have a split deal with ESPN) then ESPN is going to be needing to add inventory from somewhere possibly.

What it means is that the second ACC night game will be going to the ACC Network, while the Raycom/RSN games will be the daytime games. For the American, this means the ESPNNEWS game might be on ESPNU instead.

Perhaps. Ive simply not seen anything indicating how much (if any) existing ESPN ACC inventory ESPN intends to move to the ACC Network. Like I said, I wouldnt be surprised if ESPN moves a few games of existing inventory over to the ACC Network to beef up the line up in order to help sell carriage deals. That sales process is in ongoing and some carriage deals are already in place.

I notice the American championship game got the 3:30 slot while the Big 12 gets the nooner. I would think that the 3:30 would be the better slot in lieu of the fact that most of the Big 12 teams are on mountain time.

(11-24-2018 05:58 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I notice the American championship game got the 3:30 slot while the Big 12 gets the nooner. I would think that the 3:30 would be the better slot in lieu of the fact that most of the Big 12 teams are on mountain time.

Right? And its OK-TX the B12s premier matchup.

(11-24-2018 05:58 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I notice the American championship game got the 3:30 slot while the Big 12 gets the nooner. I would think that the 3:30 would be the better slot in lieu of the fact that most of the Big 12 teams are on mountain time.

You do realize that the AAC championship goes head to head with the SEC? Smart move by Espn.

(11-24-2018 06:19 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 05:58 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I notice the American championship game got the 3:30 slot while the Big 12 gets the nooner. I would think that the 3:30 would be the better slot in lieu of the fact that most of the Big 12 teams are on mountain time.

You do realize that the AAC championship goes head to head with the SEC? Smart move by Espn.

I did not. I am trying to figure out the slotting.

(11-24-2018 05:58 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I notice the American championship game got the 3:30 slot while the Big 12 gets the nooner. I would think that the 3:30 would be the better slot in lieu of the fact that most of the Big 12 teams are on mountain time.

None of the Big 12 teams in Mountain Time. Not 1 ever
CUSA had a Mountain time school in UTEP. But normally Mountain time starts in the Mountain states in the MWC: NM, CO, ID, Utah, Wyoming.

Theres a chance the american CCG game gets a ton of eyeballs even going up against the SEC.

Michigan lost today.
ND is currently losing.
Washing St lost.

Plus you will have the Tx/Oklahoma CCG game on just before the american game. There's going to be a lot of fans of the B12, B10, ND, and a second team from the SEC who's going to be very interested in seeing if UCF can be defeated, because they need that slot to open up.

(11-24-2018 09:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Theres a chance the american CCG game gets a ton of eyeballs even going up against the SEC.

Michigan lost today.
ND is currently losing.
Washing St lost.

Plus you will have the Tx/Oklahoma CCG game on just before the american game. There's going to be a lot of fans of the B12, B10, ND, and a second team from the SEC who's going to be very interested in seeing if UCF can be defeated, because they need that slot to open up.

What slot do they need opened up? If UCF wins, they are the G5 representative (not CFP). If they lose, then it goes to someone else and UCF moves below 12.

(11-24-2018 09:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 05:58 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I notice the American championship game got the 3:30 slot while the Big 12 gets the nooner. I would think that the 3:30 would be the better slot in lieu of the fact that most of the Big 12 teams are on mountain time.

None of the Big 12 teams in Mountain Time. Not 1 ever
CUSA had a Mountain time school in UTEP. But normally Mountain time starts in the Mountain states in the MWC: NM, CO, ID, Utah, Wyoming.

I was wondering the same thing about that post. I wouldn't say not 1 ever though. They did have Colorado at one point.

Thought this was an interesting tweet.

Group of FiveStool
‏@FiveStool
7m7 minutes ago

If ESPN/ABC doesn’t give the AAC what y’all deserve, run to FOX and/or NBC.

FOX is the only network whose CFB ratings are increasing rather than decreasing, and NBC only has ND home games. Huge opportunity.

If true---I find it interesting because last time I checked, the AAC ratings were actually increasing---which is pretty impressive in the face of the head winds of declining college football ratings at Disney.

(11-28-2018 02:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thought this was an interesting tweet.

Group of FiveStool
‏@FiveStool
7m7 minutes ago

If ESPN/ABC doesn’t give the AAC what y’all deserve, run to FOX and/or NBC.

FOX is the only network whose CFB ratings are increasing rather than decreasing, and NBC only has ND home games. Huge opportunity.

If true---I find it interesting because last time I checked, the AAC ratings were actually increasing---which is pretty impressive in the face of the head winds of declining college football ratings at Disney.

There’s a history with Fox (when we were—mostly—in CUSA) but don’t see it happening now.

(11-28-2018 02:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thought this was an interesting tweet.

Group of FiveStool
‏@FiveStool
7m7 minutes ago

If ESPN/ABC doesn’t give the AAC what y’all deserve, run to FOX and/or NBC.

FOX is the only network whose CFB ratings are increasing rather than decreasing, and NBC only has ND home games. Huge opportunity.

If true---I find it interesting because last time I checked, the AAC ratings were actually increasing---which is pretty impressive in the face of the head winds of declining college football ratings at Disney.

When you start at the bottom, I hope the only way you could go is up!

(10-26-2018 12:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I got curious and looked into broadcast windows a bit. I thought what I found might shed a little light on how ESPN perceives the AAC's TV value. What I found makes me think we are clearly not the same animal as the other G5's when it comes to TV. I was most curious how ESPN handled appearances on their flagship over the air network (ABC) and their flagship cable network ESPN---the theory being that Disney will tend to place the more valuable content on those two key networks. For this reason, I didnt get into ESPN2, ESPNU, etc slots.

Total Home Games Televised On ABC and ESPN

2018
MAC-No games on ABC or ESPN
Sunbelt-No ABC games, 1 ESPN game (the Championship game)
CUSA-No games on ABC or ESPN
Mountain West-No ABC games, 1 ESPN game (the Championship game)

AAC-6 ABC games (1 more is possible), 7 ESPN games--13 to 14 total
**CCG is one of the AAC ABC games
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2017
MAC-No games on ABC, 1 ESPN game (championship game)
Sunbelt-No ABC games, No ESPN games
CUSA-No games on ABC, 2 ESPN (one of which was a neutral site--Rice vs Stanford from Sydney)
Mountain West-No ABC games, 2 ESPN games (one of which was the Championship game)

AAC-4 ABC games, 7 ESPN games---11 total
**CCG is one of the AAC ABC games

Again, Disney is only required to show 3 of our games on ABC each year.

Then for grins, I compared us to a the Big 12 and Pac-12. They have thier package split with two networks. So I included appearances on the 2 Fox flagship networks (FOX-OTA and FS1 for cable).

2018
Big12--
ABC-6 (one is CCG)
FOX-8
ESPN-7
FS1--13
Total-34

14 on Over the Air 3 letter networks (FOX/ABC)
13 on ABC or ESPN.


Pac-12

ABC-3
FOX-9
ESPN-12
FS1-11
Total-35

12 on Over the Air 3 letter networks (FOX/ABC)
15 on ABC or ESPN.

Bottom line, we are kinda in the middle. Not P5, but not anything like the other G5's. People like to complain about our treatment by ESPN---but interestingly---if you look at our level of exposure on the flagship over the air network ABC and the flagship cable network (ESPN)---it is almost identical to the treatment the Big12 and Pac12 receive on those 2 key networks. We are actually enjoying about the same profile as a power conference on the Disney flagship networks. That aint bad--and that level of representation on the 2 flagship Disney networks suggests that ESPN considers the AAC to offer roughly a similar amount of ABC/ESPN quality inventory as 50% of the Big12 or Pac12 (ESPN only owns 50% of the Big12 and Pac12 rights). That would tend to further support the idea that ESPN wont want that AAC inventory to get away--primarily because--even after a serious raise---AAC games will still be far cheaper than P5 inventory.

When you compare the amount of games ESPN carries for the MWC and their ratings its really not an apples to apples comparison with the AAC. The MWC has a TV agreement with CBS Sports for all their Tier 1 and 2 games. So ESPN only gets the leftovers after CBS chooses their games. So ESPN isn't going to put a 3rd or 4th rated MWC team on ESPN or ABC, which is why they usually land on ESPN2. Also when it comes to ratings the MWC play their games starting at 10:30 pm EST. So 70% of the population is asleep when their games air, so of course their ratings won't compare.

(11-29-2018 06:37 PM)namssa Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I got curious and looked into broadcast windows a bit. I thought what I found might shed a little light on how ESPN perceives the AAC's TV value. What I found makes me think we are clearly not the same animal as the other G5's when it comes to TV. I was most curious how ESPN handled appearances on their flagship over the air network (ABC) and their flagship cable network ESPN---the theory being that Disney will tend to place the more valuable content on those two key networks. For this reason, I didnt get into ESPN2, ESPNU, etc slots.

Total Home Games Televised On ABC and ESPN

2018
MAC-No games on ABC or ESPN
Sunbelt-No ABC games, 1 ESPN game (the Championship game)
CUSA-No games on ABC or ESPN
Mountain West-No ABC games, 1 ESPN game (the Championship game)

AAC-6 ABC games (1 more is possible), 7 ESPN games--13 to 14 total
**CCG is one of the AAC ABC games
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2017
MAC-No games on ABC, 1 ESPN game (championship game)
Sunbelt-No ABC games, No ESPN games
CUSA-No games on ABC, 2 ESPN (one of which was a neutral site--Rice vs Stanford from Sydney)
Mountain West-No ABC games, 2 ESPN games (one of which was the Championship game)

AAC-4 ABC games, 7 ESPN games---11 total
**CCG is one of the AAC ABC games

Again, Disney is only required to show 3 of our games on ABC each year.

Then for grins, I compared us to a the Big 12 and Pac-12. They have thier package split with two networks. So I included appearances on the 2 Fox flagship networks (FOX-OTA and FS1 for cable).

2018
Big12--
ABC-6 (one is CCG)
FOX-8
ESPN-7
FS1--13
Total-34

14 on Over the Air 3 letter networks (FOX/ABC)
13 on ABC or ESPN.


Pac-12

ABC-3
FOX-9
ESPN-12
FS1-11
Total-35

12 on Over the Air 3 letter networks (FOX/ABC)
15 on ABC or ESPN.

Bottom line, we are kinda in the middle. Not P5, but not anything like the other G5's. People like to complain about our treatment by ESPN---but interestingly---if you look at our level of exposure on the flagship over the air network ABC and the flagship cable network (ESPN)---it is almost identical to the treatment the Big12 and Pac12 receive on those 2 key networks. We are actually enjoying about the same profile as a power conference on the Disney flagship networks. That aint bad--and that level of representation on the 2 flagship Disney networks suggests that ESPN considers the AAC to offer roughly a similar amount of ABC/ESPN quality inventory as 50% of the Big12 or Pac12 (ESPN only owns 50% of the Big12 and Pac12 rights). That would tend to further support the idea that ESPN wont want that AAC inventory to get away--primarily because--even after a serious raise---AAC games will still be far cheaper than P5 inventory.

When you compare the amount of games ESPN carries for the MWC and their ratings its really not an apples to apples comparison with the AAC. The MWC has a TV agreement with CBS Sports for all their Tier 1 and 2 games. So ESPN only gets the leftovers after CBS chooses their games. So ESPN isn't going to put a 3rd or 4th rated MWC team on ESPN or ABC, which is why they usually land on ESPN2. Also when it comes to ratings the MWC play their games starting at 10:30 pm EST. So 70% of the population is asleep when their games air, so of course their ratings won't compare.

Exactly---thats why the MW value is basically capped. They dont draw alot of people and the maximum potential viewers at that time is down drastically from other times. In essence, ESPN cant pay much for content designed to fill low viewership broadcast windows. If its too pricey---they are better off just running Sports Center again or rebroadcasting the days Alabama game.

As for the ESPN selections--you're actually a little off base there. Yes CBS-Sports Networkk has the primary rights---but ESPN owns all the home Boise football games. I think we can agree thats the premier property in the MW. Additionally, CBS gets a set number of selections (i think its around ten), beyond that, ESPN and CBS Sports Network alternate selections. Bottom line---its a false narrative to say the ESPN MW inventory doesnt include any of the good MW games. Oregon St at Nevada, BYU at Boise, Fresno at Boise St, and SDSU at Boise were all ESPN games (none of which were on ESPN or ABC). The real issue is the MW really doesnt have much in the way of attractive inventory---not that CBS gets it all.

(10-26-2018 12:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly---thats why the MW value is basically capped. They dont draw alot of people and the maximum potential viewers at that time is down drastically from other times. In essence, ESPN cant pay much for content designed to fill low viewership broadcast windows. If its too pricey---they are better off just running Sports Center again or rebroadcasting the days Alabama game.

As for the ESPN selections--you're actually a little off base there. Yes CBS-Sports Networkk has the primary rights---but ESPN owns all the home Boise football games. I think we can agree thats the premier property in the MW. Additionally, CBS gets a set number of selections (i think its around ten), beyond that, ESPN and CBS Sports Network alternate selections. Bottom line---its a false narrative to say the ESPN MW inventory doesnt include any of the good MW games. Oregon St at Nevada, BYU at Boise, Fresno at Boise St, and SDSU at Boise were all ESPN games (none of which were on ESPN or ABC). The real issue is the MW really doesnt have much in the way of attractive inventory---not that CBS gets it all.

Good point, ESPN does have a separate deal with Boise State. The MWC has the same problem the PAC-12 does in the East Coast late viewership issue, which really affects the ratings. But at the same time ESPN really needs content during that time especially when it is prime time on the West Coast. ESPN doesn't want to be running re-runs during West Coast Prime Time so that's where the Pac-12 and MWC games come in to play as they are the only 2 conferences to choose from. With a large portion of the the PAC-12 deal with FOX and FS1, if the MWC were capable negotiators (big if) they could parlay that with their next deal due next year. But I doubt it.