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RE: Fixing College Football's Scheduling Problem
(10-29-2018 07:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes Auburn plays 8 SEC games but who else in the nation played Clemson and Washington for their 9th P game?

South Carolina plays Clemson every season05-stirthepot
10-29-2018 08:39 PM
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RE: Fixing College Football's Scheduling Problem
(10-29-2018 08:39 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 07:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes Auburn plays 8 SEC games but who else in the nation played Clemson and Washington for their 9th P game?

South Carolina plays Clemson every season05-stirthepot

That's another reason that the 9 P games most SEC schools play is still daunting.

Georgia has GTech every year. Florida has the Noles. Kentucky has Louisville and you have Clemson.

Now before you stir that pot too much how would you like to end every season with Alabama?
10-29-2018 08:42 PM
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RE: Fixing College Football's Scheduling Problem
(10-29-2018 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 08:39 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 07:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes Auburn plays 8 SEC games but who else in the nation played Clemson and Washington for their 9th P game?

South Carolina plays Clemson every season05-stirthepot

That's another reason that the 9 P games most SEC schools play is still daunting.

Georgia has GTech every year. Florida has the Noles. Kentucky has Louisville and you have Clemson.

Now before you stir that pot too much how would you like to end every season with Alabama?

Just messing with you.
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RE: Fixing College Football's Scheduling Problem
(10-29-2018 07:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 02:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(10-29-2018 02:24 PM)ken d Wrote:  Getting back to the premise of the OP, exactly what scheduling problem does college football have (other than only having time for 12 regular season games and having 130 FBS teams)?

The only "problem" is the fact that a couple conferences thought it would be smart to play 9 conference games without thinking that it means that you assure that half of your conference is going to have an additional loss. Because the SEC and ACC were wise enough to stick to 8 conference games (although the ACC wanted a 9th initially) the conferences that were are butthurt that they didn't follow them into foolishness and want to force the issue.

And the vast majority of SEC and ACC schools already play 9 P caliber games. What difference does it make if it is in conference or out of conference? Yes Auburn plays 8 SEC games but who else in the nation played Clemson and Washington for their 9th P game? It sure as hell wasn't the Big 10 schools who feast on MAC and week PAC schools for the first 4 games of the season.

Exactly.

Clemson has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to it's OOC slate.

In addition to South Carolina every year:

Texas A&M this year and next home and home

@ Notre Dame in 2020

2021 we will likely only play one P5 (S.Car.) because the ACC has us slated for games against the parasites from South Bend three out of four years and we couldn't find a P5 team willing to wait for their return game until 2024

@ Notre Dame in 2022

Notre Dame in 2023

vs UGA in Atlanta in 2024

@ LSU 2025

LSU 2026

Notre Dame 2027

@ Notre Dame 2028


We have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of and I wouldn't trade a desirable OOC slate like that for any additional conference games.
10-29-2018 08:50 PM
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Even though the Big Ten does only play OOC opponents at the beginning of the season, I have to think that Penn State has to be wanting to buck that trend and play Pittsburgh OOC at the end of the regular season, like they used to do before they joined the Big Ten, thus being the only team in the Big Ten that has its schedule more similar to the SEC & the ACC.
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10-30-2018 01:15 AM
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Gee, I wonder which teams couldn't play 10 P5 games and therefore cut off from the playoff... let me think real hard...

Air Force
Akron
Appalachian State
Arkansas State
Ball State
Boise State
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Central Michigan
Charlotte
Cincinnatti
Coastal Carolina
Colorado State
Connecticut
East Carolina
Eastern Michigan
FIU
Florida Atlantic
Fresno State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Hawaii
Houston
Kent State
Louisiana
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
Memphis
Miami (OH)
Middle Tennessee
Navy
Nevada
New Mexico
NIU
North Texas
Ohio
Old Dominion
Rice
San Diego State
San Jose State
SMU
South Alabama
South Florida
Southern Miss
Temple
Texas State
Toledo
Troy
Tulane
Tulsa
UAB
UCF
UNLV
Utah State
UTEP
UTSA
Western Kentucky
Western Michigan
Wyoming

Independents could theoretically schedule 10 P5 games in a season, but I'm just not seeing it.
Army
BYU
Liberty
Massachusetts
New Mexico State

As a fan of a G5 school - the whole system sucks.
10-30-2018 09:03 AM
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(10-26-2018 05:45 PM)EPJr2 Wrote:  How a TV Show and a Lottery Can Fix College Football’s Non-Conference Scheduling Problem

Instead, why not have a central authority create out-of-conference schedules2 as balanced as possible? And while you’re at it, why not make a spectacle out of the process the way the World Cup does? Entrust non-conference scheduling to a draw system. This would produce randomized schedules all roughly the same degree of difficulty, just five-to-six months in advance of the season.

[Image: Tier-matchup-chart.png?w=633&ssl=1]

At the conclusion of the season, use some set of rankings3 to divide the 1304 FBS teams into three tiers of 28 and one of 46. Teams ranked 1-28 go into Tier 1, 29-56 in Tier 2, 57-84 in Tier 3, 85-130 in Tier 4. The previous season’s CFP playoff teams are seeded 1-4, but from there the teams are sorted in descending order purely by ranking.

Members of each tier will play randomly-assigned opponents from a designated tier during a designated week. For example, T1 teams will play a team from T4 in Week 1, from T2 in Week 2, T3 in Week 3, and go against a fellow T1 school in Week 4. Due to the number of teams, not all T4s will play an opponent from each tier, but they will all play one week against an FCS school in order to preserve the flow of money between the two subdivisions.

https://andrewelsass.com/draw-scheduling...t-version/

Both you and the author of this article make the mistake of seeing football scheduling as an exercise in search of competitive balance. Football schedules are business strategies which include some secondary consideration to competition and ranking consequences.

How does your random system determine home team? What happens to the traditional scheduling currency of Home & Home? Could VCU have a home game vs Tennessee (cha-ching!) and not return the favor?

I know that you think random assignment will make better (more fair) schedules. It won't. It would be a very small number of schools that would be satisfied with whatever "fair" schedule your system produces. If schedules are imperfect now, at least there are humans in the athletics departments who can be persuaded to step up their game.
10-30-2018 01:42 PM
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RE: Fixing College Football's Scheduling Problem
(10-30-2018 01:42 PM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  Both you and the author of this article make the mistake of seeing football scheduling as an exercise in search of competitive balance. Football schedules are business strategies which include some secondary consideration to competition and ranking consequences.

Yep.

The best you can hope for is for your own conference to be pro-active in this area.

CUSA's new basketball format could conceivably offer some guardrails for football as well. But as far as I can think of it, it would require some collaboration with another conference, and most plausibly, the MAC.

Out-of-conference, an idea in that vein I'd like to see advanced is for the conference itself to explore entering into new contracts with individual higher profile schools, each with language that says the actual CUSA team playing the game will be determined prior to that season based on something relatively objective like the conference coaches' preseason predictions.

So, for instance, the conference might contract for 2019 games on a specific weekend with Colorado to play #1 West, Texas A&M to play #2 West, and then Rutgers to play #1 East and Iowa State to play #2 East for 2019 games... and as-of the conference's announcement that North Texas and Southern Miss were #1 and #2 in the preseason poll for the West, and Charlotte and UAB were #1 and #2 for the East, those games' match-ups would be determined.

Doing this kind of thing more would seem to put us in a better position both to raise SOS of our likely-better teams, while reducing the likelihood of "bodybag" games.
10-31-2018 08:59 PM
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