(10-29-2018 12:00 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 11:31 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 03:31 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  I mean the obvious thing to do is

(little) East
UCF
USF
ECU
CINCINNATI
TEMPLE
UCONN
+ UMASS
+ BUFFALO
+ ARMY/VCU


Conference-West-S-A
HOUSTON
MEMPHIS
NAVY/WICHITA
TULANE
TULSA
SMU
+ BYU
+ UAB
+ Air Force/St. Louis

OBVIOUSLY!

BYU I think isn't realistic but yeah, add them #1 off course. Less is more.

Don't get the UAB, Buffalo and UMass though. Less is more IMO. BYU military academies, the strongest basketball programs available.

If we have to dip below that I still think UTEP still has more longterm potiental than Buffallo's and such. They averaged like 50k in football and 12k in basketball back when we were in a conference with them. That's always still impressed me even if they were basically given the tickets away. Clearly that place will get behind a winner there. People didn't go see UAB and those teams even when they were good in anything.

A few things.

If we take 1 Olympic only it'll be VCU, large urban school, lots of support and location for a new market.

If we take a second it'sa toss up between Dayton and St. Louis. Personally I for see both in the nbe. They can make a Midwest division with Creighton, DePaul, Marquette, Butler, Xavier, Dayton. Knock down travel costs and connect everyone geographically for sports other than basketball.

UMass is NOT in our footprint and doesn't fit geographically at all. They fit UConn (who doesn't want them).

The geographical center of this conference for football is some where in eastern Tennessee, for basketball it is between Nashville and Birmingham roughly.

UAB has it attendance going up, led CUSA last year and is averaging 25k+ this year. It's likely they will approach a 30k average for the year as the next two are their final home games and they only have 1 loss.

UAB has a past with most of the teams in the AAC. It has a new stadium for football and is about to get approved for basketball arena renovations.

Dayton can pretty much double VCU in support. I think they have had the better program over the years. Would far prefer them over anyone else for a basketball only.

(10-29-2018 12:07 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 12:00 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 11:31 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-27-2018 03:31 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  I mean the obvious thing to do is

(little) East
UCF
USF
ECU
CINCINNATI
TEMPLE
UCONN
+ UMASS
+ BUFFALO
+ ARMY/VCU


Conference-West-S-A
HOUSTON
MEMPHIS
NAVY/WICHITA
TULANE
TULSA
SMU
+ BYU
+ UAB
+ Air Force/St. Louis

OBVIOUSLY!

BYU I think isn't realistic but yeah, add them #1 off course. Less is more.

Don't get the UAB, Buffalo and UMass though. Less is more IMO. BYU military academies, the strongest basketball programs available.

If we have to dip below that I still think UTEP still has more longterm potiental than Buffallo's and such. They averaged like 50k in football and 12k in basketball back when we were in a conference with them. That's always still impressed me even if they were basically given the tickets away. Clearly that place will get behind a winner there. People didn't go see UAB and those teams even when they were good in anything.

A few things.

If we take 1 Olympic only it'll be VCU, large urban school, lots of support and location for a new market.

If we take a second it'sa toss up between Dayton and St. Louis. Personally I for see both in the nbe. They can make a Midwest division with Creighton, DePaul, Marquette, Butler, Xavier, Dayton. Knock down travel costs and connect everyone geographically for sports other than basketball.

UMass is NOT in our footprint and doesn't fit geographically at all. They fit UConn (who doesn't want them).

The geographical center of this conference for football is some where in eastern Tennessee, for basketball it is between Nashville and Birmingham roughly.

UAB has it attendance going up, led CUSA last year and is averaging 25k+ this year. It's likely they will approach a 30k average for the year as the next two are their final home games and they only have 1 loss.

UAB has a past with most of the teams in the AAC. It has a new stadium for football and is about to get approved for basketball arena renovations.

Dayton can pretty much double VCU in support. I think they have had the better program over the years. Would far prefer them over anyone else for a basketball only.

Umm..... Just No.

Dayton has great support. It doubles the Cincy market and is a private Catholic school with 10,000 students. VCU brings the Richmond market, is a top school with Virginia and Tech in the state system, is a public school with 30,000 students. Dayton has been consitant and for a long time. VCU has been better recently including a final four in the last decade and more bids since 2000s.

Attendance? Well Dayton leads the A10 regularly with 12,900ish in it's 13,455 seat arena. VCU? 100+ game streak of straight sellouts leading the A10 in attendance % in it's 7,367 seat arena.

(10-28-2018 10:59 AM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  Gampel Pavilion top notch?
XL Center is in Hartford, which is 25-30 miles from campus.
I didn't single out Southern Miss, but that was one program I mentioned.
UCONN may be a flagship university by name, but that's a bigger facade than perhaps you realize. (You would think the endowment and exclusivity would be bigger, seeing as how the state is a big suburb for NYC.
Their endowment is closer to UAB, and is not in line with what most consider to be "flagship" status.

Yes, their 4 basketball titles, all since 1999, are impressive. But can probably be more associated with Big East affiliation at the time, than program legacy.

All you have to do is watch Requiem for the Big East to realize how they were able to build their program. They actually take a decent amount of time explaining how they split tv slots and put a cap on the bigger brands, which helped UCONN grow. That's not going to work anymore, because that league no longer exists in that form, and the times have significantly changed.

No such thing as a flagship that has 8,000 show up for a football game, no matter what the announced attendance said it was.

You must be way butt hurt then that the UCONN athletic department signed a near $100-million contract extension with IMG and a $32.4-million Nike extension... cause UAB and other CUSA schools aren’t seeing that type of money.

(10-29-2018 11:26 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I think it's only the military's and Dayton IMO.

Keep trying to add Army/Dayton as a compliment to Wichita/Navy and if you can get them maybe you can get Air Force to eventually come then.

I think the Academies are the only programs that really add to the TV package out there.

Dayton has had a level of support like no one else. Them for that reason and call it a day.

You take UD you give up UC. The hatred between the schools is legend and other than basketball UD offers nothing. There are 3 schools
in the Cincinnati metroplex and they are UC, XU and UD. They despise each other but both UC and XU revile UD. UC and XU at least play each other although there is no love lost but neither plays Dayton or ever will. XU worked to keep UD out of the BKB Big East, UC will work to keep UD out of the AAC.

Please do not even talk about adding UMass into the AAC.
Adding Army as football only and St. Louis as oly makes better sense.

People! We are negotiating a TV contract. Expansion is dead.

(10-30-2018 03:51 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  People! We are negotiating a TV contract. Expansion is dead.

You are correct Red. However adding Army as FO would increase our contract both now and 10 years from now when the contract comes up again.

I would add any school that could increase the TV deal. I don't know if taking key schools from the A10 or MWC would increase the TV deal. However if UMASS , VCU , Saint Louis , Boise and UNLV were removed from their respective conferences those leagues might end up with CUSA level media money . I don't know if any combination of these schools would increase the AAC TV deal . Maybe or maybe not . In the end money is all that really matters . I really don't care whether anyone is added , I just wanted Memphis to get a decent media deal . UMASS is ok , if they add cash to deal sign them them up . Otherwise they would they would jut be another mouth to feed.

Im still for adding some combination of:

AF all sports
Col State all sports
BYU fb only
Boise fb only
Army fb only

looking at VCU, SLU, Dayton to offset any fb only adds

(10-30-2018 07:22 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Im still for adding some combination of:

AF all sports
Col State all sports
BYU fb only
Boise fb only
Army fb only

looking at VCU, SLU, Dayton to offset any fb only adds

Scratch Boise and I can get behind that.

(10-30-2018 07:27 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 07:22 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Im still for adding some combination of:

AF all sports
Col State all sports
BYU fb only
Boise fb only
Army fb only

looking at VCU, SLU, Dayton to offset any fb only adds

Scratch Boise and I can get behind that.

10% warning level for not 100% supporting one of my posts

(10-30-2018 03:59 AM)bcat4311 Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 03:51 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  People! We are negotiating a TV contract. Expansion is dead.

You are correct Red. However adding Army as FO would increase our contract both now and 10 years from now when the contract comes up again.

I really don't see how. I'm convinced the whole military school thing is a bit overrated. Now Navy does play Notre Dame annually, which makes them more valuable than the others. But even then, I'm not sure if it's really as good as most people think it is.

(10-30-2018 02:58 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 03:59 AM)bcat4311 Wrote:  

(10-30-2018 03:51 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  People! We are negotiating a TV contract. Expansion is dead.

You are correct Red. However adding Army as FO would increase our contract both now and 10 years from now when the contract comes up again.

I really don't see how. I'm convinced the whole military school thing is a bit overrated. Now Navy does play Notre Dame annually, which makes them more valuable than the others. But even then, I'm not sure if it's really as good as most people think it is.

It's about TV eyeballs, and Army has them. Plus, it is an insurance policy for those who think that if an official split ever comes, the NCAA, networks, powers that be, will never leave the service academies on the underside of that line.

(10-29-2018 11:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Honestly, other than Army, Air Force, or BYU---there isnt a G5 football program that would say "yes" to an AAC offer worth adding. I am still reasonably open to adding a couple of high performing basketball programs to the league. If UMass got its stuff together on the hardwood, Id think they would be a very interesting choice as an olympic sports member.

I'm surprised this thread was a serious one and not made by a UMass fan right after beating UCONN, but...

This year should be markedly better for BBall. I mean last year was miserable considering we only had 8 players in all. Not expecting NCAA this year, but certainly NIT caliber and on the way up. The AD has been making some fantastic coaching hires and basketball is no exception from what we can tell so far.

Whip will be gone after this season and then we'll have all of the coaches for major sports having been hired by the new administration. That will give us a much better gauge on what the future holds.


For now we'll need to keep schedule UCONN in football though so we can avoid 0 for everything seasons.

I was at the UMASS/UC game in 1993/94 when Lou Roe and Marcus Camby came to town. I think you guys were ranked #7 or #8 or something like that. Was the loudest I've ever heard the Shoe. Cincy had a big half time lead, Umass came roaring back and it was back and forth the last ten minutes. The Cats pulled away late thanks to super frosh Dontonio Wingfield. Was a GREAT game and I believe ESPN was there. I was a student at UC and will never forget that one.

Army doesn't seem to have any problems getting games, and all of their games are on TV (mostly CBSSN). I have no idea what their current media deal looks like, or how important that is to them vs. being tied to a conference. I have doubts they would even be interested in playing football in the AAC.

And.....just.....no to the whole UMass thing. If we're going to expand, we need someone that ADDS to the football quality, not detract from it. Dayton and VCU would be interesting picks if we added a couple of football schools like Army and BYU, but, I don't see any of that happening. The Navy/Wichita State additions were a good fit, but unless it adds significantly more dollars, what's the point of adding more?

I really only like Army as an associated type deal where we guarantee them 4 games a year 2H/2A and they are part of the bowl package. I think they would help with bowls and also the TV deal. And while I don’t think it is a huge help it is mutually beneficial to both parties. Like some have indicated they are a good TV draw. I don’t think adding them as a member makes a lot of sense for either party.

See below.

(11-01-2018 10:52 AM)The Grape King Wrote:  See below.

Rhode Island would be a huge pick up

(11-01-2018 11:02 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-01-2018 10:52 AM)The Grape King Wrote:  See below.

Rhode Island would be a huge pick up

I think it'd be a great basketball only add. Bring them in with UMass and you have the 3 lower new England flagships. Talk about getting a big foothold in a major sports region.

Dayton doesn't work for either the Big East or AAC because of Xavier and Cincinnati. I feel for them because it's a great program, but I'm sure they are one of the schools with enough support to survive as a mid major long term. St. Louis doesn't fit culturally.

I'd rather have Vermont.