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Fact: The G5 rep will come from the 10 division winners.

Assumption: the comittee will never choose a 3-loss G5 champ.

Analysis: 17 teams across eight divisions still in the running.

AAC East - UCF (0 losses) then USF (1) or Cincy (1)
AAC West - Houston (1) or bust

MWC Mountain - Utah St (1) then Boise (2)
MWC West - Fresno St (1) then San Diego St (2)

MAC East - Buffalo (1) or bust
MAC West - Busted

Sun Belt East - Ga Southern (1) then Troy (2) or App St (2)
Sun Belt West - Busted

CUSA East - FIU (2) then Marshall (2)
CUSA West - UAB (1) then La Tech (2) then North Texas (2)
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(10-28-2018 02:30 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Fact: The G5 rep will come from the 10 division winners.

Assumption: the comittee will never choose a 3-loss G5 champ.

Analysis: 17 teams across eight divisions still in the running.

AAC East - UCF (0 losses) then USF (1) or Cincy (1)
AAC West - Houston (1) or bust

MWC Mountain - Utah St (1) then Boise (2)
MWC West - Fresno St (1) then San Diego St (2)

MAC East - Buffalo (1) or bust
MAC West - Busted

Sun Belt East - Ga Southern (1) then Troy (2) or App St (2)
Sun Belt West - Busted

CUSA East - FIU (2) then Marshall (2)
CUSA West - UAB (1) then La Tech (2) then North Texas (2)

I think Boise has 3 loses don't they
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RE: Post Week 9 Access Top 9
(10-28-2018 01:43 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:01 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 12:48 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 11:45 AM)usffan Wrote:  Latest coaches poll:

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/foo...ches-poll/

UCF #9
Houston #17
Utah State #20
Fresno State #23
RV's ranked in decreasing order of votes
Cincinnati
USF
Georgia Southern
UAB
San Diego State
Buffalo
FIU
Boise State

USFFan

Yeah shows the difference between the east coast and west coast. Houston

Nothing better illustrates the difference between the east coast and west coast than a team in the middle of the country.

Houston is in an east coast conference.

The coaches poll votes are hidden but Jon Wilner, a Pac-12 stooge, is an example of what I’m talking about.

His ballot has
UCF 13
Houston 20
Utah State 25

One of only two voters in the country that doesn’t have Fresno in the top 25 and has the largest gap between the AAC and any MWC team. You would never see **** like that from a reporter east of the Rockies.

How about the fact that USU and Fresno entered the rankings higher than Cincy or USF ever reached being undefeated at the time. Now throw in the fact that neither of them had any wins of note and lost their p5 games. Objectively a 1 lose Cincy and USF should still be ranked higher than a 1 lose USU or Fresno. 07-coffee3
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USF and Cincinnati are both better than Fresno St and Utah St.
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(10-28-2018 03:46 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:43 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:01 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 12:48 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 11:45 AM)usffan Wrote:  Latest coaches poll:

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/foo...ches-poll/

UCF #9
Houston #17
Utah State #20
Fresno State #23
RV's ranked in decreasing order of votes
Cincinnati
USF
Georgia Southern
UAB
San Diego State
Buffalo
FIU
Boise State

USFFan

Yeah shows the difference between the east coast and west coast. Houston

Nothing better illustrates the difference between the east coast and west coast than a team in the middle of the country.

Houston is in an east coast conference.

The coaches poll votes are hidden but Jon Wilner, a Pac-12 stooge, is an example of what I’m talking about.

His ballot has
UCF 13
Houston 20
Utah State 25

One of only two voters in the country that doesn’t have Fresno in the top 25 and has the largest gap between the AAC and any MWC team. You would never see **** like that from a reporter east of the Rockies.

How about the fact that USU and Fresno entered the rankings higher than Cincy or USF ever reached being undefeated at the time. Now throw in the fact that neither of them had any wins of note and lost their p5 games. Objectively a 1 lose Cincy and USF should still be ranked higher than a 1 lose USU or Fresno. 07-coffee3

Objectively? How do you figure that? One would need to subjectively decide what factors were most important first because they don’t play the same schools or each other. I agree that Cincinnati and South Florida are likely better but we won’t know unless they play each other. Any ranking, even computer rankings, is almost entirely subjective.
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(10-28-2018 03:55 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 03:46 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:43 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:01 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 12:48 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Yeah shows the difference between the east coast and west coast. Houston

Nothing better illustrates the difference between the east coast and west coast than a team in the middle of the country.

Houston is in an east coast conference.

The coaches poll votes are hidden but Jon Wilner, a Pac-12 stooge, is an example of what I’m talking about.

His ballot has
UCF 13
Houston 20
Utah State 25

One of only two voters in the country that doesn’t have Fresno in the top 25 and has the largest gap between the AAC and any MWC team. You would never see **** like that from a reporter east of the Rockies.

How about the fact that USU and Fresno entered the rankings higher than Cincy or USF ever reached being undefeated at the time. Now throw in the fact that neither of them had any wins of note and lost their p5 games. Objectively a 1 lose Cincy and USF should still be ranked higher than a 1 lose USU or Fresno. 07-coffee3

Objectively? How do you figure that? One would need to subjectively decide what factors were most important first because they don’t play the same schools or each other. I agree that Cincinnati and South Florida are likely better but we won’t know unless they play each other. Any ranking, even computer rankings, is almost entirely subjective.

I thought I pretty much spelled it out. What makes usu and Fresno 1-lose records better than Cincys and especially USFs'? USF actually won more p5 games than usu and Fresno combined this season, that alone should have kept them at least 1 spot above any mwc 1 lose team. Getting beat by a very underrated Houston team that guess what only had 1 lose along with having an p5 scalp on their resume is nothing to be down about. THE TOP 4 AAC TEAMS HAVE A COMBINED 1 OOC LOSE. That should've given them the benefit of the doubt over some need to seem unbiased by over ranking mwc teams that crapped the bed in the very important non conference part of the season and are now trying to make up for it by blasting other very bad conference teams. 07-coffee307-coffee307-coffee307-coffee3
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(10-28-2018 03:53 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  USF and Cincinnati are both better than Fresno St and Utah St.

I would disagree.
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(10-28-2018 01:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 12:48 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 11:45 AM)usffan Wrote:  Latest coaches poll:

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/foo...ches-poll/

UCF #9
Houston #17
Utah State #20
Fresno State #23
RV's ranked in decreasing order of votes
Cincinnati
USF
Georgia Southern
UAB
San Diego State
Buffalo
FIU
Boise State

USFFan

Yeah shows the difference between the east coast and west coast. Houston jumps from ranked below Fresno and Utah State to 6 spots higher. I’m certain not a single PAC-12 coach voted for Fresno. Houston not ranked higher than Fresno in any of the computer polls and in some cases Fresno is twice as good in those “unbiased” rankings.

Fresno has no wins of consequence. UH just beat an unbeaten ranked team by 3 TDs. That's your homer speaking.

USF had no business being ranked. They aren't even a top 10 G5 team.
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(10-28-2018 04:34 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 03:55 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 03:46 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:43 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:01 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Nothing better illustrates the difference between the east coast and west coast than a team in the middle of the country.

Houston is in an east coast conference.

The coaches poll votes are hidden but Jon Wilner, a Pac-12 stooge, is an example of what I’m talking about.

His ballot has
UCF 13
Houston 20
Utah State 25

One of only two voters in the country that doesn’t have Fresno in the top 25 and has the largest gap between the AAC and any MWC team. You would never see **** like that from a reporter east of the Rockies.

How about the fact that USU and Fresno entered the rankings higher than Cincy or USF ever reached being undefeated at the time. Now throw in the fact that neither of them had any wins of note and lost their p5 games. Objectively a 1 lose Cincy and USF should still be ranked higher than a 1 lose USU or Fresno. 07-coffee3

Objectively? How do you figure that? One would need to subjectively decide what factors were most important first because they don’t play the same schools or each other. I agree that Cincinnati and South Florida are likely better but we won’t know unless they play each other. Any ranking, even computer rankings, is almost entirely subjective.

I thought I pretty much spelled it out. What makes usu and Fresno 1-lose records better than Cincys and especially USFs'? USF actually won more p5 games than usu and Fresno combined this season, that alone should have kept them at least 1 spot above any mwc 1 lose team. Getting beat by a very underrated Houston team that guess what only had 1 lose along with having an p5 scalp on their resume is nothing to be down about. THE TOP 4 AAC TEAMS HAVE A COMBINED 1 OOC LOSE. That should've given them the benefit of the doubt over some need to seem unbiased by over ranking mwc teams that crapped the bed in the very important non conference part of the season and are now trying to make up for it by blasting other very bad conference teams. 07-coffee307-coffee307-coffee307-coffee3

Nothing about USF is impressive. They are lucky to only have one loss.
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1 - Houston
2 - UCF
3 - Fresno State
4 - Utah State
5 - Georgia Southern
6 - UAB
7 - Buffalo
8 - Cincinnati
9 - Boise
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(10-28-2018 01:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  Fresno has no wins of consequence. UH just beat an unbeaten ranked team by 3 TDs. That's your homer speaking.

Sadly, USF was overrated, we didn't belong in the rankings, had scraped by some really bad teams.

Fresno deserves to be ranked ahead of Houston right now, but in the end it won't matter because Houston will have to beat UCF to get the Access Bowl bid, and if they do that they will deserve it anyway.

Lots of football left to be played. Fresno still has to get by Boise State, a SDSU that will be healthy again in regular season. Then if the do that they have to get past a very good Utah State team. It’s too early to worry about now as we have our own business to handle.

I find it more interesting how different regions do or don’t support their teams. The top areas for Houston relative to Utah State and Fresno is in order:
1) Tobacco Rd.
2) Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana
3) Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, wisconsin
4) California, Oregon, Washington

Utah State top areas
1) Front Range,
2) MidWest
3) Fl, Georgia, Atlanta
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(10-28-2018 04:53 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 04:34 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 03:55 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 03:46 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:43 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Houston is in an east coast conference.

The coaches poll votes are hidden but Jon Wilner, a Pac-12 stooge, is an example of what I’m talking about.

His ballot has
UCF 13
Houston 20
Utah State 25

One of only two voters in the country that doesn’t have Fresno in the top 25 and has the largest gap between the AAC and any MWC team. You would never see **** like that from a reporter east of the Rockies.

How about the fact that USU and Fresno entered the rankings higher than Cincy or USF ever reached being undefeated at the time. Now throw in the fact that neither of them had any wins of note and lost their p5 games. Objectively a 1 lose Cincy and USF should still be ranked higher than a 1 lose USU or Fresno. 07-coffee3

Objectively? How do you figure that? One would need to subjectively decide what factors were most important first because they don’t play the same schools or each other. I agree that Cincinnati and South Florida are likely better but we won’t know unless they play each other. Any ranking, even computer rankings, is almost entirely subjective.

I thought I pretty much spelled it out. What makes usu and Fresno 1-lose records better than Cincys and especially USFs'? USF actually won more p5 games than usu and Fresno combined this season, that alone should have kept them at least 1 spot above any mwc 1 lose team. Getting beat by a very underrated Houston team that guess what only had 1 lose along with having an p5 scalp on their resume is nothing to be down about. THE TOP 4 AAC TEAMS HAVE A COMBINED 1 OOC LOSE. That should've given them the benefit of the doubt over some need to seem unbiased by over ranking mwc teams that crapped the bed in the very important non conference part of the season and are now trying to make up for it by blasting other very bad conference teams. 07-coffee307-coffee307-coffee307-coffee3

Nothing about USF is impressive. They are lucky to only have one loss.

What you just stated was opinion at its best but the facts are the facts. USF is also 17 3 so far the over the past two seasons. 07-coffee3
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(10-28-2018 01:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  Fresno has no wins of consequence. UH just beat an unbeaten ranked team by 3 TDs. That's your homer speaking.

Sadly, USF was overrated, we didn't belong in the rankings, had scraped by some really bad teams.

Fresno deserves to be ranked ahead of Houston right now, but in the end it won't matter because Houston will have to beat UCF to get the Access Bowl bid, and if they do that they will deserve it anyway.

USF was certainly overrated but so was the Hawaii team that a lot people were high on. I just don't see it, and I'm actually really high on Fresno. I don't see Houston losing to Minnesota at home and I think our loss to Tech was the better of the two losses. Not sure what they've done to deserve a higher ranking. Like you said its all probably moot because if UH wins out they'll get the spot, and if we lose one more time then we can forget about any of these nice things like rankings.
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(10-28-2018 05:10 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  What you just stated was opinion at its best but the facts are the facts. USF is also 17 3 so far the over the past two seasons. 07-coffee3

We are lucky to have only one loss. 07-coffee3
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(10-28-2018 01:43 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:01 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 12:48 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 11:45 AM)usffan Wrote:  Latest coaches poll:

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/foo...ches-poll/

UCF #9
Houston #17
Utah State #20
Fresno State #23
RV's ranked in decreasing order of votes
Cincinnati
USF
Georgia Southern
UAB
San Diego State
Buffalo
FIU
Boise State

USFFan

Yeah shows the difference between the east coast and west coast. Houston

Nothing better illustrates the difference between the east coast and west coast than a team in the middle of the country.

Houston is in an east coast conference.

The coaches poll votes are hidden but Jon Wilner, a Pac-12 stooge, is an example of what I’m talking about.

His ballot has
UCF 13
Houston 20
Utah State 25

One of only two voters in the country that doesn’t have Fresno in the top 25 and has the largest gap between the AAC and any MWC team. You would never see **** like that from a reporter east of the Rockies.

So is it east coast bias or west coast conspiracy? Or... maybe its that UH ran over the #21 team in the country on prime time. Maybe its because we have a recognizable brand. Maybe its because we have the #1 offense in the country. I don't know. I do know that if we don't win out and go to a NY6 bowl, I'd love a rematch with Fresno.
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(10-28-2018 05:38 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  So is it east coast bias or west coast conspiracy? Or... maybe its that UH ran over the #21 team in the country on prime time. Maybe its because we have a recognizable brand. Maybe its because we have the #1 offense in the country. I don't know. I do know that if we don't win out and go to a NY6 bowl, I'd love a rematch with Fresno.

Truth is, despite the notion that P5 get an advantage by having the bigger names, the human polls tend to be biased in favor of the top G5 teams, whether from the AAC or MWC or anywhere else. Here are the rankings of the four ranked G5 teams in the AP poll, and in the Massey Composite:

UCF ........... 9 (AP) ....... 15 (MC)

Houston .... 17 (AP) ...... 33 (MC)

Utah State ... 18 (AP) ...... 27 (MC)

Fresno St .... 20 (AP) ...... 18 (MC)

Notice that of the four AP-ranked G5 teams, three of them are significantly over-rated compared to what the computers say, UCF +6, Houston + 16, and Utah State +9. Only Fresno is under-rated, by -2.

You don't usually see those kinds of gaps regarding the ranked P5 teams. Among all the ranked P5 teams, 21 of them, the worst gap is +9 for Syracuse, ranked AP 22 and Massey 31.
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(10-28-2018 03:46 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:43 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:01 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 12:48 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 11:45 AM)usffan Wrote:  Latest coaches poll:

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/foo...ches-poll/

UCF #9
Houston #17
Utah State #20
Fresno State #23
RV's ranked in decreasing order of votes
Cincinnati
USF
Georgia Southern
UAB
San Diego State
Buffalo
FIU
Boise State

USFFan

Yeah shows the difference between the east coast and west coast. Houston

Nothing better illustrates the difference between the east coast and west coast than a team in the middle of the country.

Houston is in an east coast conference.

The coaches poll votes are hidden but Jon Wilner, a Pac-12 stooge, is an example of what I’m talking about.

His ballot has
UCF 13
Houston 20
Utah State 25

One of only two voters in the country that doesn’t have Fresno in the top 25 and has the largest gap between the AAC and any MWC team. You would never see **** like that from a reporter east of the Rockies.

How about the fact that USU and Fresno entered the rankings higher than Cincy or USF ever reached being undefeated at the time. Now throw in the fact that neither of them had any wins of note and lost their p5 games. Objectively a 1 lose Cincy and USF should still be ranked higher than a 1 lose USU or Fresno. 07-coffee3

Cinci played one P5 team and won 26-17
Fresno played the same P5 team and won 38-14
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(10-28-2018 05:25 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  Fresno has no wins of consequence. UH just beat an unbeaten ranked team by 3 TDs. That's your homer speaking.

Sadly, USF was overrated, we didn't belong in the rankings, had scraped by some really bad teams.

Fresno deserves to be ranked ahead of Houston right now, but in the end it won't matter because Houston will have to beat UCF to get the Access Bowl bid, and if they do that they will deserve it anyway.

USF was certainly overrated but so was the Hawaii team that a lot people were high on. I just don't see it, and I'm actually really high on Fresno. I don't see Houston losing to Minnesota at home and I think our loss to Tech was the better of the two losses. Not sure what they've done to deserve a higher ranking. Like you said its all probably moot because if UH wins out they'll get the spot, and if we lose one more time then we can forget about any of these nice things like rankings.

We lost to Minnesota at Minnesota. We were also driving for the win and lost on a miracle interception in the end zone.
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(10-29-2018 12:43 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 05:25 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 01:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  Fresno has no wins of consequence. UH just beat an unbeaten ranked team by 3 TDs. That's your homer speaking.

Sadly, USF was overrated, we didn't belong in the rankings, had scraped by some really bad teams.

Fresno deserves to be ranked ahead of Houston right now, but in the end it won't matter because Houston will have to beat UCF to get the Access Bowl bid, and if they do that they will deserve it anyway.

USF was certainly overrated but so was the Hawaii team that a lot people were high on. I just don't see it, and I'm actually really high on Fresno. I don't see Houston losing to Minnesota at home and I think our loss to Tech was the better of the two losses. Not sure what they've done to deserve a higher ranking. Like you said its all probably moot because if UH wins out they'll get the spot, and if we lose one more time then we can forget about any of these nice things like rankings.

We lost to Minnesota at Minnesota. We were also driving for the win and lost on a miracle interception in the end zone.

Did not realize that. I'll amend my previous statement to say I don't believe UH would lose to Minnesota.
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(10-28-2018 11:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-28-2018 05:38 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  So is it east coast bias or west coast conspiracy? Or... maybe its that UH ran over the #21 team in the country on prime time. Maybe its because we have a recognizable brand. Maybe its because we have the #1 offense in the country. I don't know. I do know that if we don't win out and go to a NY6 bowl, I'd love a rematch with Fresno.

Truth is, despite the notion that P5 get an advantage by having the bigger names, the human polls tend to be biased in favor of the top G5 teams, whether from the AAC or MWC or anywhere else. Here are the rankings of the four ranked G5 teams in the AP poll, and in the Massey Composite:

UCF ........... 9 (AP) ....... 15 (MC)

Houston .... 17 (AP) ...... 33 (MC)

Utah State ... 18 (AP) ...... 27 (MC)

Fresno St .... 20 (AP) ...... 18 (MC)

Notice that of the four AP-ranked G5 teams, three of them are significantly over-rated compared to what the computers say, UCF +6, Houston + 16, and Utah State +9. Only Fresno is under-rated, by -2.

You don't usually see those kinds of gaps regarding the ranked P5 teams. Among all the ranked P5 teams, 21 of them, the worst gap is +9 for Syracuse, ranked AP 22 and Massey 31.

So what is your explanation for Fresno being -2 while Utah State is plus 9 and Houston is +16? I have mine but interested in yours.
10-29-2018 09:48 AM
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