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What if I told you the #12 Men’s Basketball Team Could Not Make the NCAA Tournament
That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.
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(11-01-2018 06:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.

Why #12? As it now stands, the #5 team doesn't make the playoffs. Last year, Ohio State was #5 and did not go to the playoffs. Good grief!
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I would say get over it.

Currently, Temple is destroying your argument late in the 2nd qt. A stadium that should be filled for a Top #12 team has plenty of empty seats.
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Completely different sport so it’s not remotely comparable. Also, that’d be #12 out of 350+ versus #5 our of 130.
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(11-01-2018 06:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.

1971 #2 USC was left out of the NCAA Tournament
1974 #3 Maryland was left out.
1970 #6 South Carolina was left out.

The NCAA had a one team per conference rule at the time.
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What is with this guys who think Football can run a playoff like basketball?

You can play 3 basketball games in 5 days in the NCAAs in March? You can't do that in Football.
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(11-01-2018 06:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.

I'd go along with the bolded part as long as the A5 moves up to a higher division within the FBS and leaves the G5 behind..
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(11-01-2018 07:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 06:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.

Why #12? As it now stands, the #5 team doesn't make the playoffs. Last year, Ohio State was #5 and did not go to the playoffs. Good grief!

In 2014, TCU was probably #1, 2 or 3 and didn't make it.
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(11-01-2018 08:39 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  What is with this guys who think Football can run a playoff like basketball?

You can play 3 basketball games in 5 days in the NCAAs in March? You can't do that in Football.

But you can play one game in one week. March Madness is what three weeks? So that'd be up to eight teams.
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(11-01-2018 08:39 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  What is with this guys who think Football can run a playoff like basketball?

You can play 3 basketball games in 5 days in the NCAAs in March? You can't do that in Football.
FCS has a 24 team playoff eight teams have to win four to win it all and 16 have to win five.
Division II has a 28 team playoff, four teams have to win four, and 24 have to win five.
Division III has a 32 team playoff everyone has to win five to win it all.

So it isn't an impossibility.

Now if I could have the format I wanted (which is to say the least likely system) it would be a 12 team format.
First the 10 conference champs are seeded 1-10.
1-4 in that process get a bye and a home game.
5-8 get a home game
Then the two remaining champs and two at-large are seed 9-12 to fill out the brackt.

In 2017, you get something like this.
#1 Clemson hosts winner of #9 Alabama at #8 FAU
#4 Ohio State hosts winner of #12 Troy at #5 USC
#2 Oklahoma hosts winner of #10 Wisconsin at #7 Boise State
#3 Georgia hosts winner of #11 Toledo at #6 UCF

You want a bye? Win your conference. You want a home game? Win your conference.
Having Bama and Wisconsin travel to a G5 where they are favored makes for an interesting situation and some fun seeing the betting.
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I get things suck from different perspectives. I really do. That said, my answer would be that I would actually have a reason to watch college basketball before the tournament.

Seriously I do get where you coming from and understand it sucks. I cant help it though. The limited nature of the national championship is what makes the sport great to me. Once you get auto-bids or defacto autobids, most of what I love about watching most games I sit to watch will be lost, especially in September and October. I would gladly go back to just two teams or go back to poll and bowl rather than expand the playoff at all.
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(11-01-2018 07:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 06:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.

Why #12? As it now stands, the #5 team doesn't make the playoffs. Last year, Ohio State was #5 and did not go to the playoffs. Good grief!

Well #5 Ohio State wasn’t undefeated.


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(11-01-2018 06:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.

1971 #2 USC was left out of the NCAA Tournament
1974 #3 Maryland was left out.
1970 #6 South Carolina was left out.

The NCAA had a one team per conference rule at the time.

None of those teams were undefeated, either.


“2017 National Champions” sure looked good on the UCF Stadium upper deck last night. I don’t think they need a playoff if the playoff isn’t interested in crowning an undisputed champion.
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(11-01-2018 08:39 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  What is with this guys who think Football can run a playoff like basketball?

You can play 3 basketball games in 5 days in the NCAAs in March? You can't do that in Football.

But you can play 4 games in 4 weeks. It seems to work in every other division but FBS.
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In an expanded playoff anything can happen. People want to fret about who teams have played but like in basketball the truth is it is all about the matchups. Some teams, regardless of conference, would struggle against teams that ran a particular system that exposed their weakness. That's why I hate it when people compare scores and schedules.
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(11-02-2018 07:52 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I get things suck from different perspectives. I really do. That said, my answer would be that I would actually have a reason to watch college basketball before the tournament.

Seriously I do get where you coming from and understand it sucks. I cant help it though. The limited nature of the national championship is what makes the sport great to me. Once you get auto-bids or defacto autobids, most of what I love about watching most games I sit to watch will be lost, especially in September and October. I would gladly go back to just two teams or go back to poll and bowl rather than expand the playoff at all.

Well as a guy who has followed college football for half a century rooting for a school that has been Division I, I-A, I-AA, I-A/FBS, I'm really not twisted over the current system.

I've done bowls and playoffs and bowls are a great fan and player experience. In a large playoff you go to your home stadium for another home game with different stakes or you have to make last minute travel arrangements to go last minute to someone else's stadium. There are no parades, pep rallies, battle of the bands, or pre-game concerts etc., for the visiting team. Win and wait to figure out where you are next. If you have a team that isn't a real contender you take your loss and go home but with bowls you can finish the season on an upbeat note.

The CFP gets more complaints than the BCS/Bowl Alliance/Bowl Coalition, and the original system yet has greater access to a big time bowl and making the four team playoff is more plausible.

Now I like the 12 team with 10 auto bid idea because it matters who wins the CUSA title game or the MAC title game both in who makes the playoff but also in who may be hosting a playoff game.

There is more drama. If it had been "12 best" last year one-third of the field would have entered the tournament having lost their last game.
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(11-02-2018 08:06 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 07:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 06:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.

Why #12? As it now stands, the #5 team doesn't make the playoffs. Last year, Ohio State was #5 and did not go to the playoffs. Good grief!

Well #5 Ohio State wasn’t undefeated.


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(11-01-2018 06:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.

1971 #2 USC was left out of the NCAA Tournament
1974 #3 Maryland was left out.
1970 #6 South Carolina was left out.

The NCAA had a one team per conference rule at the time.

None of those teams were undefeated, either.


“2017 National Champions” sure looked good on the UCF Stadium upper deck last night. I don’t think they need a playoff if the playoff isn’t interested in crowning an undisputed champion.

So what about undefeated? They were all ranked way higher than #12, because umdefeated vs a soft schedule means very little.

If anyone had a complaint about the playoffs last year it was Ohio State, as they were #5 and got left out. We can worry about #12 once we worry about the 11 ahead of them, lol.
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(11-01-2018 06:51 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  That’s what we have now in College Football

Needs to be all Conference Champs and 6 at large teams. First two rounds on campus the weeks after conference championship and then go to what we have now.


The point is the four best. Mucking it up with an unranked conference champ, 6 at-larges, and cake schedule undefeated and one-loss teams is the antithesis of this.

Schedule better, play better, quit crying.
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Or, you could separate between the teams and their conferences that actually have a chance to reach the CFP....and everyone else.

The current system is miles ahead of what college football used to be 30 years ago.
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