(11-11-2018 10:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 02:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-10-2018 09:26 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Some speculation that it could be the Holiday. But then that would mean the LV gets upgraded and the Holiday down graded most likely.

This is possible. The Holiday bowl committee has had a difficult time raising enough sponsor money to maintain their place in the bowl pecking order, they had to discontinue the Poinsettia bowl, and they failed to secure a new TV deal with ESPN, so their game is now stuck in obscurity on FS1, a channel that casual fans find only by accident.

FS1 is not in deep obscurity. It is as available as ESPN.

Anymore fans pull all the sports channels up at once and see what's on before making a selection.

Exactly, it's not like we're talking about NBCSports or CBSsports. FS1 has the B1G, Pac, XII, BE, MLB playoffs etc. It's not like casual sports fans have never heard of it before.

(11-12-2018 01:02 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 11:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 05:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I wonder if the LV Bowl will still be played at the same timeframe.
LV Bowl committee want the bowl during their dead period. After Christmas the hotels are already full.

FWIW--At least one G5 AD has hinted that a bowl pool of the top G5's is a possbility in the next bowl cycle.

If the trend of P5 trying to avoid G5 match-ups continues it makes perfect sense that the four champions not in the Access game have two bowls set aside to create the best possible G5 game and then match the other two champs.

The question however is which bowls would that be?

Independence Bowl might lose its SEC tie if they go into the new LV bowl as expected.

Holiday bowl would be a good one to scoop up if it falls too far in the bowl pecking order. That or bring back the Poinsettia.

Hawaii bowl could work if you expand the top bowl pool to 4 games and throw in BYU and Army.

Restarting Bluebonnet in Rice's stadium is an intriguing idea. Good central location for all of the schools.

Enlarge it to 4 bowls, include all G5 champs not in an access bowl and then two next highest rated teams along with BYU/Army if they are eligible for TV eyeballs. I also think its important to not have it in 20,000 seat stadiums but in larger 40,000 to 50,000 seaters.

I don't understand why people think Army is a big draw. They do well when they play Navy but no one is looking for Army games the rest of the year. If they were they would be easier to find every Saturday

I don't think its the eyeballs that are searching for Army...it's that the bigger fan bases and casual fans see Army as a legitimate opponent and will tune into the game in greater numbers, especially when compared to an unrecognized opponent that has a cardinal direction in its name.

(11-12-2018 04:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 09:13 AM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  How is Mobile not an easy place to fly into? I get it is not a hub like Atlanta, Houston, Dallas but there a good number flights(not the big planes) that arrive in Mobile. There is no guarantee that the Dollar General Bowl will move to South Alabama OCS in 2020, being they won't take USA if they were bowl eligible.

Oh don't get your feeling all squished. I wouldn't call Little Rock easy to fly into and it handles well over twice as many boardings as Mobile and Little Rock offers direct flights to three times as many cities.

It's all good. The city of Mobile can't manage things right.

(11-12-2018 09:57 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Also how is it not an attractive destination when it has a parade ect.

It would be in serious consideration for a G5 champs bowl pool.

"Attractive destinations" are ones where people would be excited to go on vacation for a week without a bowl game--Las Vegas, Orlando, Los Angeles, New York City, Miami, Nashville, Hawaii.

"There's a parade" is a pretty limp justification to call a city an "attractive destination."

(11-12-2018 05:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  I don't think its the eyeballs that are searching for Army...it's that the bigger fan bases and casual fans see Army as a legitimate opponent and will tune into the game in greater numbers, especially when compared to an unrecognized opponent that has a cardinal direction in its name.

Not really, has the ratings of their bowl games or those involving service academies drawn much larger audiences than other pre-playoff bowl games? I don't think they have.

(11-12-2018 03:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 01:02 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 11:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 05:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I wonder if the LV Bowl will still be played at the same timeframe.
LV Bowl committee want the bowl during their dead period. After Christmas the hotels are already full.

FWIW--At least one G5 AD has hinted that a bowl pool of the top G5's is a possbility in the next bowl cycle.

If the trend of P5 trying to avoid G5 match-ups continues it makes perfect sense that the four champions not in the Access game have two bowls set aside to create the best possible G5 game and then match the other two champs.

The question however is which bowls would that be?

Independence Bowl might lose its SEC tie if they go into the new LV bowl as expected.

Holiday bowl would be a good one to scoop up if it falls too far in the bowl pecking order. That or bring back the Poinsettia.

Hawaii bowl could work if you expand the top bowl pool to 4 games and throw in BYU and Army.

Restarting Bluebonnet in Rice's stadium is an intriguing idea. Good central location for all of the schools.

Enlarge it to 4 bowls, include all G5 champs not in an access bowl and then two next highest rated teams along with BYU/Army if they are eligible for TV eyeballs. I also think its important to not have it in 20,000 seat stadiums but in larger 40,000 to 50,000 seaters.

You only want to do two games. That gives you certainty in negotiating other bowl deals. Your champion won't be available because it's either in the G5 pool games or Access. Any bigger and you start dealing with sometimes your #2 is available and sometimes not.

Assuming two games already in existence with ties to G5 team(s), the likely candidates based on geography, quality of destination you pick two of the New Orleans, Cure and New Mexico (to appease MWC).

If you add in wanting the game to be sometime between fourth Saturday in December and January 1, it gets complicated.

New Orleans Bowl. Prime travel destination, top travel destination but would have to move to Tulane if played later most likely taking away the upside of walking from the Quarter.

Cure Bowl. Orlando a top destination but can't be played later unless moved to UCF and then likely to get even more lost than it already is.

Military works fine with the date. Weather bit of crap shoot.

Boca Raton. Very workable.

Gasparilla. Date is going to be a problem.

First Responder. Stadium ridiculously too large

Frisco. Stadium too small

Armed Forces best of the DFW options.

Mobile. Availability no problem. Accessible to much of AAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt not the easiest place to fly to. Great environment and community support. Likely less attractive in 25k University of South Alabama stadium which will be nicer than current venue but may be viewed as too small.

Tucson. Not very accessible to most schools. Like Mobile in not being a "destination" to people not familiar with it. Date no problem.

New Mexico only western site any eastern league schools could drive to. Date no problem. Not a major destination.

Boise not driveable for anyone but a few MWC schools. Date no issue. Not a major destination.

Montgomery. Non-starter in current venue.

Hawai'i a no go because of travel.

Bahamas another no go for travel.

Think that leaves you with best choices being Armed Forces and Boca Raton.

I agree 2 games is all that is needed and that can be build on throughout the years.

I don't think we need to be worried about being drivable. Except for the southern US, no one else is going to travel a long trip with wintery road conditions. Flying will and has always been the vast majority of fans getting to bowls.
Tucson is more accessible that you may think...especially flying. And that would be the bowl in the west....later when San Diego gets their stadium up and running, that could be the location.

There are 3 things in my opinion to make this work.

1. Date. Don't worry about the playoff bowls, make this date Jan. 1. Having the Citrus Bowl as the only other bowl on Jan. 1 will give this bowl a better chance of viewership. It also allows fans to make travel plans much easier and they already get the time off from work.

2. Location. Definitely has to be in a warm/mild climate.

3. TV Network. Stay away from ESPN since they are booked solid already, get with NBC, CBS, Fox or even Stadium for OTA viewership. I'm sure they would like a bowl game on Jan. 1 to show rather than re-runs of shows. As more people cut the cord and OTA viewership keeps increasing, getting the game on OTA shouldn't be too much of a challenge if a network is willing to take a chance and get more viewers on Jan.1 than they do with their TV re-runs on NYD.

(11-12-2018 10:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 03:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 01:02 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 11:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  FWIW--At least one G5 AD has hinted that a bowl pool of the top G5's is a possbility in the next bowl cycle.

If the trend of P5 trying to avoid G5 match-ups continues it makes perfect sense that the four champions not in the Access game have two bowls set aside to create the best possible G5 game and then match the other two champs.

The question however is which bowls would that be?

Independence Bowl might lose its SEC tie if they go into the new LV bowl as expected.

Holiday bowl would be a good one to scoop up if it falls too far in the bowl pecking order. That or bring back the Poinsettia.

Hawaii bowl could work if you expand the top bowl pool to 4 games and throw in BYU and Army.

Restarting Bluebonnet in Rice's stadium is an intriguing idea. Good central location for all of the schools.

Enlarge it to 4 bowls, include all G5 champs not in an access bowl and then two next highest rated teams along with BYU/Army if they are eligible for TV eyeballs. I also think its important to not have it in 20,000 seat stadiums but in larger 40,000 to 50,000 seaters.

You only want to do two games. That gives you certainty in negotiating other bowl deals. Your champion won't be available because it's either in the G5 pool games or Access. Any bigger and you start dealing with sometimes your #2 is available and sometimes not.

Assuming two games already in existence with ties to G5 team(s), the likely candidates based on geography, quality of destination you pick two of the New Orleans, Cure and New Mexico (to appease MWC).

If you add in wanting the game to be sometime between fourth Saturday in December and January 1, it gets complicated.

New Orleans Bowl. Prime travel destination, top travel destination but would have to move to Tulane if played later most likely taking away the upside of walking from the Quarter.

Cure Bowl. Orlando a top destination but can't be played later unless moved to UCF and then likely to get even more lost than it already is.

Military works fine with the date. Weather bit of crap shoot.

Boca Raton. Very workable.

Gasparilla. Date is going to be a problem.

First Responder. Stadium ridiculously too large

Frisco. Stadium too small

Armed Forces best of the DFW options.

Mobile. Availability no problem. Accessible to much of AAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt not the easiest place to fly to. Great environment and community support. Likely less attractive in 25k University of South Alabama stadium which will be nicer than current venue but may be viewed as too small.

Tucson. Not very accessible to most schools. Like Mobile in not being a "destination" to people not familiar with it. Date no problem.

New Mexico only western site any eastern league schools could drive to. Date no problem. Not a major destination.

Boise not driveable for anyone but a few MWC schools. Date no issue. Not a major destination.

Montgomery. Non-starter in current venue.

Hawai'i a no go because of travel.

Bahamas another no go for travel.

Think that leaves you with best choices being Armed Forces and Boca Raton.

I agree 2 games is all that is needed and that can be build on throughout the years.

I don't think we need to be worried about being drivable. Except for the southern US, no one else is going to travel a long trip with wintery road conditions. Flying will and has always been the vast majority of fans getting to bowls.
Tucson is more accessible that you may think...especially flying. And that would be the bowl in the west....later when San Diego gets their stadium up and running, that could be the location.

There are 3 things in my opinion to make this work.

1. Date. Don't worry about the playoff bowls, make this date Jan. 1. Having the Citrus Bowl as the only other bowl on Jan. 1 will give this bowl a better chance of viewership. It also allows fans to make travel plans much easier and they already get the time off from work.

2. Location. Definitely has to be in a warm/mild climate.

3. TV Network. Stay away from ESPN since they are booked solid already, get with NBC, CBS, Fox or even Stadium for OTA viewership. I'm sure they would like a bowl game on Jan. 1 to show rather than re-runs of shows.

Another period to look at is the week leading up to the National Championship Game. As for not being driveable...agree to disagree. G5 fanbases are smaller. Thats a reality. The closer the game is to the fanbase--the bigger the turnout. Your going to want these bowls to be popular with the fans, well attended, with great atmosphere. The other reality is---if they are going to have their champ play another G5 team, most every conference is going to at least want their champion to play inside the conference footprint. Thats basically why we have the G5 champs in bowls getting some random 7 win G5 team as an opponent. That desire for the champ to play inside the conference footprint is a significant factor in why we dont currently have many G5 champ vs G5 champ bowl games.

With overlapping footprints and geographic convenience---it wouldn't be shocking if ends up being simply easier for some combination of the SB, CUSA, MAC, and AAC to work out some sort bowl pool--rather than a deal that includes the entire G5. Who knows, maybe the AAC is pain in the butt and a pool with the MAC, CUSA, and SB the best that can be done this time around.

(11-12-2018 10:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 10:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 03:18 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 01:02 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 11:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the trend of P5 trying to avoid G5 match-ups continues it makes perfect sense that the four champions not in the Access game have two bowls set aside to create the best possible G5 game and then match the other two champs.

The question however is which bowls would that be?

Independence Bowl might lose its SEC tie if they go into the new LV bowl as expected.

Holiday bowl would be a good one to scoop up if it falls too far in the bowl pecking order. That or bring back the Poinsettia.

Hawaii bowl could work if you expand the top bowl pool to 4 games and throw in BYU and Army.

Restarting Bluebonnet in Rice's stadium is an intriguing idea. Good central location for all of the schools.

Enlarge it to 4 bowls, include all G5 champs not in an access bowl and then two next highest rated teams along with BYU/Army if they are eligible for TV eyeballs. I also think its important to not have it in 20,000 seat stadiums but in larger 40,000 to 50,000 seaters.

You only want to do two games. That gives you certainty in negotiating other bowl deals. Your champion won't be available because it's either in the G5 pool games or Access. Any bigger and you start dealing with sometimes your #2 is available and sometimes not.

Assuming two games already in existence with ties to G5 team(s), the likely candidates based on geography, quality of destination you pick two of the New Orleans, Cure and New Mexico (to appease MWC).

If you add in wanting the game to be sometime between fourth Saturday in December and January 1, it gets complicated.

New Orleans Bowl. Prime travel destination, top travel destination but would have to move to Tulane if played later most likely taking away the upside of walking from the Quarter.

Cure Bowl. Orlando a top destination but can't be played later unless moved to UCF and then likely to get even more lost than it already is.

Military works fine with the date. Weather bit of crap shoot.

Boca Raton. Very workable.

Gasparilla. Date is going to be a problem.

First Responder. Stadium ridiculously too large

Frisco. Stadium too small

Armed Forces best of the DFW options.

Mobile. Availability no problem. Accessible to much of AAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt not the easiest place to fly to. Great environment and community support. Likely less attractive in 25k University of South Alabama stadium which will be nicer than current venue but may be viewed as too small.

Tucson. Not very accessible to most schools. Like Mobile in not being a "destination" to people not familiar with it. Date no problem.

New Mexico only western site any eastern league schools could drive to. Date no problem. Not a major destination.

Boise not driveable for anyone but a few MWC schools. Date no issue. Not a major destination.

Montgomery. Non-starter in current venue.

Hawai'i a no go because of travel.

Bahamas another no go for travel.

Think that leaves you with best choices being Armed Forces and Boca Raton.

I agree 2 games is all that is needed and that can be build on throughout the years.

I don't think we need to be worried about being drivable. Except for the southern US, no one else is going to travel a long trip with wintery road conditions. Flying will and has always been the vast majority of fans getting to bowls.
Tucson is more accessible that you may think...especially flying. And that would be the bowl in the west....later when San Diego gets their stadium up and running, that could be the location.

There are 3 things in my opinion to make this work.

1. Date. Don't worry about the playoff bowls, make this date Jan. 1. Having the Citrus Bowl as the only other bowl on Jan. 1 will give this bowl a better chance of viewership. It also allows fans to make travel plans much easier and they already get the time off from work.

2. Location. Definitely has to be in a warm/mild climate.

3. TV Network. Stay away from ESPN since they are booked solid already, get with NBC, CBS, Fox or even Stadium for OTA viewership. I'm sure they would like a bowl game on Jan. 1 to show rather than re-runs of shows.

Another period to look at is the week leading up to the National Championship Game.

Except there were bowl games after Jan. 1 during the BCS days and it wasn't all that great. You gotta keep it on Jan.1 when fans already get those days off. After that is harder for fans to get that time off.

(11-12-2018 12:27 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I have a cable package that includes FS1 but not ESPN. Some of the Sling packages are the same way.

CBSSN I agree is obscure since they don't have top tier content on there but its far more widely distributed than Stadium or Bein.

I watch Army and / or Navy on CBSSN every week.

MWC, MAC, CUSA, SBC could have a setup where #1/#2 champs play and #3/#4 champs play in the other one. Bowls could rotate top matchup.

Then sign with CBS, Fox, NBC ect. for a Jan 1st timeslot so it's like a regular NYD bowl.

(11-13-2018 12:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  MWC, MAC, CUSA, SBC could have a setup where #1/#2 champs play and #3/#4 champs play in the other one. Bowls could rotate top matchup.

Then sign with CBS, Fox, NBC ect. for a Jan 1st timeslot so it's like a regular NYD bowl.

I remember a couple of clown-show bowls that put themselves on January 1, but it didn't make them "regular New Years Day bowls", at least not major ones. Carquest Bowl, Hall of Fame Bowl, Citrus Bowl.

On the one hand, it's better than what you have now. On the other hand, I'm not sure an OTA network is interested in handing over 3 hours of TV time to a lower-FBS bowl, even if the teams have shiny 12-1 or 10-3 records.

(11-13-2018 02:35 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 12:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  MWC, MAC, CUSA, SBC could have a setup where #1/#2 champs play and #3/#4 champs play in the other one. Bowls could rotate top matchup.

Then sign with CBS, Fox, NBC ect. for a Jan 1st timeslot so it's like a regular NYD bowl.

I remember a couple of clown-show bowls that put themselves on January 1, but it didn't make them "regular New Years Day bowls", at least not major ones. Carquest Bowl, Hall of Fame Bowl, Citrus Bowl.

On the one hand, it's better than what you have now. On the other hand, I'm not sure an OTA network is interested in handing over 3 hours of TV time to a lower-FBS bowl, even if the teams have shiny 12-1 or 10-3 records.

i've always found that odd. That Dec-Jan period is a deep freeze for decent tv. Its all reruns and garbage TV. Even in November--last week NBC's OTA prime time Saturday night lineup consisted of back-to-back 1-hour rerun episodes of "48-Hours" (both episodes were from 2 years ago) and a rerun of a Saturday Night Live episode from 2014. Seems like virtually any live FBS bowl game would be a huge upgrade over that trash.

Problem Mobile has (beyond Ladd-Peebles) is people who have actually been, pretty much all love it. The people who haven't scrunch up their nose and ask why would anyone want to go to Mobile. That makes it a tough sell as a G5 destination game.

(11-13-2018 03:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 02:35 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 12:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  MWC, MAC, CUSA, SBC could have a setup where #1/#2 champs play and #3/#4 champs play in the other one. Bowls could rotate top matchup.

Then sign with CBS, Fox, NBC ect. for a Jan 1st timeslot so it's like a regular NYD bowl.

I remember a couple of clown-show bowls that put themselves on January 1, but it didn't make them "regular New Years Day bowls", at least not major ones. Carquest Bowl, Hall of Fame Bowl, Citrus Bowl.

On the one hand, it's better than what you have now. On the other hand, I'm not sure an OTA network is interested in handing over 3 hours of TV time to a lower-FBS bowl, even if the teams have shiny 12-1 or 10-3 records.

i've always found that odd. That Dec-Jan period is a deep freeze for decent tv. Its all reruns and garbage TV. Even in November--last week NBC's OTA prime time Saturday night lineup consisted of back-to-back 1-hour rerun episodes of "48-Hours" (both episodes were from 2 years ago) and a rerun of a Saturday Night Live episode from 2014. Seems like virtually any live FBS bowl game would be a huge upgrade over that trash.

For NBC and CBS OTA, sports programming generally needs to overperform compared to a cable sports network because it can't offset sports rights costs with subscriber fees to the same extent as ABC (whose sports costs are under ESPN) and Fox (who also shares more sports costs with its Fox Sports cable networks). In the example that you provided, the thing with Dateline and SNL reruns is that they are literally free programs for NBC, which means that any ad revenue that they gain at all from them (even with small audiences) is pure profit. That's why NBC doesn't even put all of the Stanley Cup Final games on in prime time OTA, much less lower level college football games. A college bowl game could get a higher outright rating compared to Dateline or SNL reruns on a Saturday night, but still not be anywhere near as profitable for NBC as those reruns. It takes a truly high profile game (e.g. Notre Dame vs. Michigan or Florida State) or the NFL to get NBC to fully commit to a prime time sports slot.

(11-13-2018 02:35 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I remember a couple of clown-show bowls that put themselves on January 1, but it didn't make them "regular New Years Day bowls", at least not major ones. Carquest Bowl, Hall of Fame Bowl, Citrus Bowl.

The Citrus Bowl pays out more money than any other non-CFP bowl game, and gets more TV viewers as well. And it almost always has more viewers than at least one CFP bowl game. That game doesn't fit into anyone's definition of a clown show.

(11-11-2018 11:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 05:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I wonder if the LV Bowl will still be played at the same timeframe.
LV Bowl committee want the bowl during their dead period. After Christmas the hotels are already full.

FWIW--At least one G5 AD has hinted that a bowl pool of the top G5's is a possbility in the next bowl cycle.

If the trend of P5 trying to avoid G5 match-ups continues it makes perfect sense that the four champions not in the Access game have two bowls set aside to create the best possible G5 game and then match the other two champs.

You may have missed the memo,but the AAC will never agree to anything that ties them to the other g5s or their champions. I'm not trying to be an ashsole but they've already said as much the last time someone brought up the idea of a g5 set of bowls or some type of playoff nonsense.

The G4 are set perfectly for a champ game. 2 round playoffs.

The AAC and MWC would never participate in such a thing but the MAC, SBC, and C-USA should make a deal with 3 bowls for the top 2 teams from those conferences. This would gaurantee a match up between conference champs as well as provide a good opponent for the third winner.

(11-13-2018 05:00 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 11:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 05:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I wonder if the LV Bowl will still be played at the same timeframe.
LV Bowl committee want the bowl during their dead period. After Christmas the hotels are already full.

FWIW--At least one G5 AD has hinted that a bowl pool of the top G5's is a possbility in the next bowl cycle.

If the trend of P5 trying to avoid G5 match-ups continues it makes perfect sense that the four champions not in the Access game have two bowls set aside to create the best possible G5 game and then match the other two champs.

You may have missed the memo,but the AAC will never agree to anything that ties them to the other g5s or their champions. I'm not trying to be an ashsole but they've already said as much the last time someone brought up the idea of a g5 set of bowls or some type of playoff nonsense.

Maybe you missed my caveat. The continuation of P5's trying to avoid G5's in bowls. If AAC can't get a P5 opponent, they can sit their ass at home.