(11-15-2018 11:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw that MLB has resigned with Fox thru 2028.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-fox-complet...-300757548

This is the first property of many that's up in the next few years- MLB, NFL, NHL, and then eventually Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC CBS package.......

Will be really interesting to see just how much changes with all these new deals....

The one big part of the MLB announcement- Beginning in 2022, the amount of regular-season and postseason games televised by the FOX broadcast network will increase.

So would think the days of at least the LCS being on FS1 are probably numbered..

Keeps limits on the amount of time they can apply to CFB.

And, if they're taking MLB playoff games off of FS1, it makes you wonder whether Fox is giving up on trying to make FS1 a serious competitor to ESPN channels.

Thats quite the leap in logic you got there. By extending the MLB contract by 6 years they are giving up on FS1? Pretty sure thats the opposite of what this means. If MLB wants the games on network TV thats about reaching the biggest audience and would reach more houses than ESPN.

(11-15-2018 10:13 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw that MLB has resigned with Fox thru 2028.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-fox-complet...-300757548

This is the first property of many that's up in the next few years- MLB, NFL, NHL, and then eventually Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC CBS package.......

Will be really interesting to see just how much changes with all these new deals....

The one big part of the MLB announcement- Beginning in 2022, the amount of regular-season and postseason games televised by the FOX broadcast network will increase.

So would think the days of at least the LCS being on FS1 are probably numbered..

Keeps limits on the amount of time they can apply to CFB.

No it's not, the two don't overlap much. It'll effect like 3 weekends early in the season.

What's going to change though is those games might be forced now to be on Big Fox rather than FS1.

I think people need to realize that ESPN is playing an entirely different strategy from Fox, CBS, and NBC.

ESPN wants everything. They want to be your first thought when you want to watch sports.

The other three have shown with the deals they cut, they are looking for events and specific audiences. Fox has FS2 sitting barren and empty of mainstream events and Fox didn't bother making an offer to CUSA.

Fox, CBS, and NBC will make top leagues and top events valuable but they aren't looking to grab content just to have it.

(11-15-2018 10:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:13 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw that MLB has resigned with Fox thru 2028.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-fox-complet...-300757548

This is the first property of many that's up in the next few years- MLB, NFL, NHL, and then eventually Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC CBS package.......

Will be really interesting to see just how much changes with all these new deals....

The one big part of the MLB announcement- Beginning in 2022, the amount of regular-season and postseason games televised by the FOX broadcast network will increase.

So would think the days of at least the LCS being on FS1 are probably numbered..

Keeps limits on the amount of time they can apply to CFB.

No it's not, the two don't overlap much. It'll effect like 3 weekends early in the season.

What's going to change though is those games might be forced now to be on Big Fox rather than FS1.

I'd anticipate something similar with how early round NBA playoff games work where one or two games per weekend that would have otherwise been on ESPN gets moved to ABC. The bulk of the playoff games (particularly on weeknights) would continue to be on FS1.

(11-16-2018 11:58 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:13 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw that MLB has resigned with Fox thru 2028.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-fox-complet...-300757548

This is the first property of many that's up in the next few years- MLB, NFL, NHL, and then eventually Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC CBS package.......

Will be really interesting to see just how much changes with all these new deals....

The one big part of the MLB announcement- Beginning in 2022, the amount of regular-season and postseason games televised by the FOX broadcast network will increase.

So would think the days of at least the LCS being on FS1 are probably numbered..

Keeps limits on the amount of time they can apply to CFB.

No it's not, the two don't overlap much. It'll effect like 3 weekends early in the season.

What's going to change though is those games might be forced now to be on Big Fox rather than FS1.

I'd anticipate something similar with how early round NBA playoff games work where a weekend game that would have otherwise been on ESPN gets moved to ABC. The bulk of the playoff games (particularly on weeknights) would continue to be on FS1.

I could see that for the LDS. But I think bare minimum same schedule as this year games 1,2,6,7 would be on Big Fox for the LCS. That's Friday, Saturday, Friday, and Saturday.

Also have to remember that ESPN gets a whole hell lot better ratings than FS1 ever has..... It's much closer to a network ratings than FS1 is.

With "New Fox" going big on sports, this makes sense. MLB produces so much more inventory than the other leagues, so working with them will give Fox some solid programming. I wonder if Fox would do a regional Tuesday night baseball giving affiliates acces to a game of interest in its area. The article said OTA Fox would increase its role beginning in 2022

(11-16-2018 10:16 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I think people need to realize that ESPN is playing an entirely different strategy from Fox, CBS, and NBC.

ESPN wants everything. They want to be your first thought when you want to watch sports.

The other three have shown with the deals they cut, they are looking for events and specific audiences. Fox has FS2 sitting barren and empty of mainstream events and Fox didn't bother making an offer to CUSA.

Fox, CBS, and NBC will make top leagues and top events valuable but they aren't looking to grab content just to have it.

Agreed. This is even more true with ESPN+ starting up. Inventory in and of itself can be monetized by ESPN (or at least attempted to be monetized) in a way that the other competitors can't do.

(11-16-2018 12:36 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 10:16 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I think people need to realize that ESPN is playing an entirely different strategy from Fox, CBS, and NBC.

ESPN wants everything. They want to be your first thought when you want to watch sports.

The other three have shown with the deals they cut, they are looking for events and specific audiences. Fox has FS2 sitting barren and empty of mainstream events and Fox didn't bother making an offer to CUSA.

Fox, CBS, and NBC will make top leagues and top events valuable but they aren't looking to grab content just to have it.

Agreed. This is even more true with ESPN+ starting up. Inventory in and of itself can be monetized by ESPN (or at least attempted to be monetized) in a way that the other competitors can't do.

They are already farming some stuff out. They have more than they can put over the air.

[quote='Transic_nyc' pid='15668318' dateline='1542323654']
[quote]Fox Sports CEO & Exec Producer Eric Shanks talked to THE DAILY about the net's new seven-year extension of its MLB deal that is worth $5.1B.

Q: Why do this deal three years before the current one ends?
Shanks: It provides predictability for New Fox. It puts a cap to an incredible year of setting up predictability for New Fox. With the commitment that this company has to live, premium sports, it really sets New Fox up as the leader in live sports for a long time to come.



https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail...ks-QA.aspx
[/quote]

That sounds a lot like the AAC touting itself as "P6".

(11-16-2018 02:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  [quote='Transic_nyc' pid='15668318' dateline='1542323654']

Quote:Fox Sports CEO & Exec Producer Eric Shanks talked to THE DAILY about the net's new seven-year extension of its MLB deal that is worth $5.1B.

Q: Why do this deal three years before the current one ends?
Shanks: It provides predictability for New Fox. It puts a cap to an incredible year of setting up predictability for New Fox. With the commitment that this company has to live, premium sports, it really sets New Fox up as the leader in live sports for a long time to come.



https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail...ks-QA.aspx

That sounds a lot like the AAC touting itself as "P6".

Network FOX is the leader of the pack when it comes to major live sports for the most part.

(11-16-2018 02:51 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 02:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  [quote='Transic_nyc' pid='15668318' dateline='1542323654']

Quote:Fox Sports CEO & Exec Producer Eric Shanks talked to THE DAILY about the net's new seven-year extension of its MLB deal that is worth $5.1B.

Q: Why do this deal three years before the current one ends?
Shanks: It provides predictability for New Fox. It puts a cap to an incredible year of setting up predictability for New Fox. With the commitment that this company has to live, premium sports, it really sets New Fox up as the leader in live sports for a long time to come.



https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail...ks-QA.aspx

That sounds a lot like the AAC touting itself as "P6".

Network FOX is the leader of the pack when it comes to major live sports for the most part.

Yeah, Fox has the NFL, MLB, Big Ten, Pac-12, Big 12 and Big East plus the US Open and the World Cup. It definitely has most over-the-air marquee sports properties. ESPN is certainly at a different level when it comes to cable.

Um, CBS says hello....
They have 2 of the 4 Majors in Golf (including the big one- the Masters that is always the top rated)
NFL
March Madness
A lot of good college basketball in the winter
SEC football- #1 conference

Fox has to share the Big Ten/Pac 12/Big 12 with ESPN- so don't have all of those games. SEC gets all of the SEC top games..... I'd say over the air it's a big win for CBS....
College basketball is no match regular season even for CBS.
NFL slight advantage to Fox.
Golf huge advantage to CBS- not just with the Masters- but also the regular tournaments as well.
MLB advantage to Fox obviously. March Madness trumps that.

World Cup years maybe push Fox ahead.....

(11-15-2018 11:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw that MLB has resigned with Fox thru 2028.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-fox-complet...-300757548

This is the first property of many that's up in the next few years- MLB, NFL, NHL, and then eventually Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC CBS package.......

Will be really interesting to see just how much changes with all these new deals....

The one big part of the MLB announcement- Beginning in 2022, the amount of regular-season and postseason games televised by the FOX broadcast network will increase.

So would think the days of at least the LCS being on FS1 are probably numbered..

Keeps limits on the amount of time they can apply to CFB.

And, if they're taking MLB playoff games off of FS1, it makes you wonder whether Fox is giving up on trying to make FS1 a serious competitor to ESPN channels.

I think what we're seeing is FOX moving to a place where they broadcast more sports in primetime as opposed to traditional TV...drama, comedy, news, and reality shows.

I'm sure that stuff will be mixed in, but I've gotten the impression New Fox wants to alter what we've come to understand as network TV.

(11-16-2018 03:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Um, CBS says hello....
They have 2 of the 4 Majors in Golf (including the big one- the Masters that is always the top rated)
NFL
March Madness
A lot of good college basketball in the winter
SEC football- #1 conference

Fox has to share the Big Ten/Pac 12/Big 12 with ESPN- so don't have all of those games. SEC gets all of the SEC top games..... I'd say over the air it's a big win for CBS....

Eh... it's a matter of CBS getting the top SEC every week 100% of the time versus Fox getting the top game of the week from 3 different P5 conferences 50% of the time (including first overall pick for the Big Ten that will typically end up being Michigan-Ohio State plus the Big Ten Championship Game). Fox is regularly putting on doubleheaders and even tripleheaders of college football over-the-air, so it certainly shows a lot more P5 games in terms quantity (even if you want to argue the perceived quality).

Quote:College basketball is no match regular season even for CBS.[.quote]

Agreed. The CBS games are much better plus the NCAA Tournament.

[quote]NFL slight advantage to Fox.

I would say a clear advantage in the sense that (a) the NFC package is worth more than the AFC package because of the larger markets and more marquee teams and (b) Fox has Thursday Night Football on top of that now. Once again, Fox has more NFL games in terms of quantity (and the NFC package is generally perceived to be of better quality).

Quote:Golf huge advantage to CBS- not just with the Masters- but also the regular tournaments as well.

Agreed.

Quote:MLB advantage to Fox obviously. March Madness trumps that.

Whether March Madness trumps the World Series itself is debatable, but we've already covered college basketball above. CBS doesn't have baseball at all.

Quote:World Cup years maybe push Fox ahead.....

I think that's the point: the breadth of properties that Fox is putting on over-the-air is more than any other network: 2 of the 4 major pro sports leagues, 3 of the 5 power conferences for college football, 3 of the 6 power conferences for college basketball, USGA events for golf, FIFA events for soccer, and (we haven't mentioned it as of yet) NASCAR for auto racing. I agree that there are certain categories where CBS has superior properties, but Fox is competing in a lot more categories overall (closer to ESPN with a presence in as many areas as it can, even if it's cursory).

The problem with your argument about college football is a lot of times, the #1 selection from a conference in a particular week is garbage. Right now with 2 weeks to go- CBS has 4 of the top 10 games of the season. Fox has none. While yes Fox still has left Ohio St/Michigan and Big Ten title game, CBS has Alabama/Auburn and the SEC title game(which is aired unopposed).

In terms of # of games- CBS right now has had 14 games, Fox 24. When all is said and done- it's Fox 34 to CBS 17.... Sounds great for Fox. However lets dig deeper.... CBS has had 3 games all year long draw less than 3 million. Fox has had 16. CBS has had 11 games draw over 3 million viewers to only 8 for Fox. So College football IMO is a clear win for CBS.

As far as basketball/baseball- regular season CBS has all 6 major conferences plus the AAC. Fox has 2. So for regular season college basketball CBS has a HUGE lead. Then March Madness quite frankly tops baseball.

Lets just say it's not definitely a gimme for Fox......

(11-15-2018 10:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:13 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw that MLB has resigned with Fox thru 2028.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-fox-complet...-300757548

This is the first property of many that's up in the next few years- MLB, NFL, NHL, and then eventually Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC CBS package.......

Will be really interesting to see just how much changes with all these new deals....

The one big part of the MLB announcement- Beginning in 2022, the amount of regular-season and postseason games televised by the FOX broadcast network will increase.

So would think the days of at least the LCS being on FS1 are probably numbered..

Keeps limits on the amount of time they can apply to CFB.

No it's not, the two don't overlap much. It'll effect like 3 weekends early in the season.

What's going to change though is those games might be forced now to be on Big Fox rather than FS1.

Big Fox and FS1 will have big time sports on both all day long on Sat in the fall.

(11-16-2018 05:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with your argument about college football is a lot of times, the #1 selection from a conference in a particular week is garbage. Right now with 2 weeks to go- CBS has 4 of the top 10 games of the season. Fox has none. While yes Fox still has left Ohio St/Michigan and Big Ten title game, CBS has Alabama/Auburn and the SEC title game(which is aired unopposed).

In terms of # of games- CBS right now has had 14 games, Fox 24. When all is said and done- it's Fox 34 to CBS 17.... Sounds great for Fox. However lets dig deeper.... CBS has had 3 games all year long draw less than 3 million. Fox has had 16. CBS has had 11 games draw over 3 million viewers to only 8 for Fox. So College football IMO is a clear win for CBS.

As far as basketball/baseball- regular season CBS has all 6 major conferences plus the AAC. Fox has 2. So for regular season college basketball CBS has a HUGE lead. Then March Madness quite frankly tops baseball.

Lets just say it's not definitely a gimme for Fox......

And what the heck does CBS have to do with the price of tea in china? It's just you poo pooing Fox by trying to make the case that they are somehow less than what they actually are. You disparage them as much as you do the Big East. It's like you hate that they gave the Big East a contract and if Fox fails then the Big East fails and it ties into this larger bias you have. I would love to have you undergo a psychoanalysis. I'm sure the results would be fascinating.

(11-16-2018 08:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 05:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with your argument about college football is a lot of times, the #1 selection from a conference in a particular week is garbage. Right now with 2 weeks to go- CBS has 4 of the top 10 games of the season. Fox has none. While yes Fox still has left Ohio St/Michigan and Big Ten title game, CBS has Alabama/Auburn and the SEC title game(which is aired unopposed).

In terms of # of games- CBS right now has had 14 games, Fox 24. When all is said and done- it's Fox 34 to CBS 17.... Sounds great for Fox. However lets dig deeper.... CBS has had 3 games all year long draw less than 3 million. Fox has had 16. CBS has had 11 games draw over 3 million viewers to only 8 for Fox. So College football IMO is a clear win for CBS.

As far as basketball/baseball- regular season CBS has all 6 major conferences plus the AAC. Fox has 2. So for regular season college basketball CBS has a HUGE lead. Then March Madness quite frankly tops baseball.

Lets just say it's not definitely a gimme for Fox......

And what the heck does CBS have to do with the price of tea in china? It's just you poo pooing Fox by trying to make the case that they are somehow less than what they actually are. You disparage them as much as you do the Big East. It's like you hate that they gave the Big East a contract and if Fox fails then the Big East fails and it ties into this larger bias you have. I would love to have you undergo a psychoanalysis. I'm sure the results would be fascinating.

he said that Fox had the most marquee over the air events. And I brought up that CBS has a very good and reasonable claim to that. Might want to read the thread....

(11-16-2018 12:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 11:58 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:13 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  Keeps limits on the amount of time they can apply to CFB.

No it's not, the two don't overlap much. It'll effect like 3 weekends early in the season.

What's going to change though is those games might be forced now to be on Big Fox rather than FS1.

I'd anticipate something similar with how early round NBA playoff games work where a weekend game that would have otherwise been on ESPN gets moved to ABC. The bulk of the playoff games (particularly on weeknights) would continue to be on FS1.

I could see that for the LDS. But I think bare minimum same schedule as this year games 1,2,6,7 would be on Big Fox for the LCS. That's Friday, Saturday, Friday, and Saturday.

Also have to remember that ESPN gets a whole hell lot better ratings than FS1 ever has..... It's much closer to a network ratings than FS1 is.

Keep in mind the primary reason fox moves playoff games to FS1 AND allowed TBS to get in on their playoff dominance, was that playoff baseball preemptions were KILLING fox’s primetime shows. To the point that the reason fox used to start 24 and Prison Break in January weren’t to jumpstart the spring season: it was bacause the playoffs forcing them to premier in late October and early November had killed their ratings.

Now that fox is selling off a lot of their content, they appear to be going towards a more sport oriented slate, with nfl on Thursday, wrestling on Friday, college football on Saturday and nfl again on Sunday. MLB may fill
Some of that football void during football offseason.

(11-16-2018 10:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 05:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem with your argument about college football is a lot of times, the #1 selection from a conference in a particular week is garbage. Right now with 2 weeks to go- CBS has 4 of the top 10 games of the season. Fox has none. While yes Fox still has left Ohio St/Michigan and Big Ten title game, CBS has Alabama/Auburn and the SEC title game(which is aired unopposed).

In terms of # of games- CBS right now has had 14 games, Fox 24. When all is said and done- it's Fox 34 to CBS 17.... Sounds great for Fox. However lets dig deeper.... CBS has had 3 games all year long draw less than 3 million. Fox has had 16. CBS has had 11 games draw over 3 million viewers to only 8 for Fox. So College football IMO is a clear win for CBS.

As far as basketball/baseball- regular season CBS has all 6 major conferences plus the AAC. Fox has 2. So for regular season college basketball CBS has a HUGE lead. Then March Madness quite frankly tops baseball.

Lets just say it's not definitely a gimme for Fox......

And what the heck does CBS have to do with the price of tea in china? It's just you poo pooing Fox by trying to make the case that they are somehow less than what they actually are. You disparage them as much as you do the Big East. It's like you hate that they gave the Big East a contract and if Fox fails then the Big East fails and it ties into this larger bias you have. I would love to have you undergo a psychoanalysis. I'm sure the results would be fascinating.

he said that Fox had the most marquee over the air events. And I brought up that CBS has a very good and reasonable claim to that. Might want to read the thread....

Oh so this is the first time you tried to make it seem like Fox isn't that great?