I actually think Penn St is a better job than Southern Cal as well.

(11-16-2018 01:46 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I actually think Penn St is a better job than Southern Cal as well.

It’s a lateral move a worst but I still give USC the edge.

Penn State has better fan support but USC has the location and recruiting advantage.

USC is a job I can see Franklin leaving just on prestige, location and recruiting grounds unlike Texas A&M last year which it was rumored they wanted Franklin. Penn State is a much better job than A&M so most PSU fans were not worried about it. USC, however, is a different animal.

Choosing between USC and Penn State really parsing through minute details - they're both on the same tier in terms of status with massively well-funded programs, so, assuming that the salaries are comparable, it comes down to personal preference. In the case of James Franklin specifically, remember that he's a Pennsylvania native, which may mean that there's a "Penn State is home" element that wouldn't exist at USC (or any other school, for that matter). (I don't know if that would ultimately matter to Franklin, but for most people, the ability to be close to home is a factor in life decisions when you have legitimate choices.) These are still real life people that aren't making decisions in a vacuum (and it's not a case where there's a clear status upgrade like there was in going from Vanderbilt to Penn State or going from a G5 school to a P5 school).

When you're coaching at a "king school" like Penn State and doing it successfully, the NFL swooping in is honestly much more of a threat than other colleges at that point.

Any ranking can swing wildly if you narrow your window of time.

That underscores the need to take a look at the job over the lifetime of the program.

When you do that, Penn State is not as good of a job as USC and it really can't be argued otherwise.

The NCAA Football games had a pretty solid system for this sort of thing, even if they were sometimes wrong. There's no way NIU should have been a 1* a year after going to the Orange Bowl, for instance.

(11-15-2018 03:28 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 03:11 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If you're CEO of a small hospital, do you automatically accept a job offer as CEO of a bigger hospital even if it's 1000 miles away?

Considering that CEOs of large hospitals can make seven-figure salaries, whereas a small hospital CEO is likely making low six figures, I would say yes. I'm sure there are some who would prefer to stay where they are even if offered a higher salary, or would move only for a great situation and not just more money, but that is true in college sports as well. Mark Few is a well known example.

Yeah I don't understand guys who have had success at a school that has little to no history of winning and could legit stay at that schools for the rest of their careers who leave to chase the money and are out of the head coaching game in less than a decade. Greg Schiano comes to mind as a Rutgers fan. Could have been our Joe Pa but chased that NFL money and now he gets chased out of UT by it's fans.

(11-16-2018 06:19 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Any ranking can swing wildly if you narrow your window of time.

That underscores the need to take a look at the job over the lifetime of the program.

When you do that, Penn State is not as good of a job as USC and it really can't be argued otherwise.

Correct. Zero in during the late 2000's at Florida with Tebow, Urban Meyer was king of the world and the Florida job was king of the world (Until Nick Saban nuked the SEC and built his crapper out of the former pieces of the SEC powerhouses). Same can be said for USC, Nebraska, etc.

This is an interesting thread. I’ve always wondered how people view one job in college football over another. I think one of the things that you have to take into consideration is where the coach is from and where he feels he’s affiliated with. Franklin played at East Stroudsburg. He’s a Pennsylvania guy and I just don’t see him leaving Penn State for USC. As far is Louisville and Purdue, I think normally they would be a tossup. But with all the issues at Louisville, I wonder if he would jump. Some of this is pretty clear. A P5 job normally is better than a G5 job. But I can see exceptions.

(11-15-2018 10:23 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Arkansas and Ole Miss are much better jobs than any G5 job. Arkansas, for example, has great financial and facility support. Plus its the biggest show in the state with a good recruiting base.

(11-16-2018 02:12 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Arky and Ole Miss will always be higher in the pecking order than any of those G5s as long as the SEC continues to get 10x the money and exposure.

(11-16-2018 03:17 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  ...it's not a case where there's a clear status upgrade like there was in going from Vanderbilt to Penn State or going from a G5 school to a P5 school).

I don't think there's any argument that virtually any P5 program has lots of built in advantages over any G5 program. Even Kansas gets to host Oklahoma and Texas every other year.

But is it a better job? Sure, it pays more, but you also have the built in handicap of fans who ultimately expect you to win a national championship at schools that haven't actually done that since 1964. Hell, neither has won an SEC title in that time (to be fair, Arkansas won a few Southwest Conference titles, but even that goes back almost 30 years). It's therefore no surprise that just about every coach who comes through those programs only lasts for one contract before being run out of town. Arkansas = Bielema (5 years), John L. Smith (1 year), Petrino (3 years), Houston Nutt (10 years), Danny Ford (5 years), Jack Crowe (3 years), Ken Hatfield (5 years), Lou Holtz (7 years) - almost all of them fired or escaping the shadow of Frank Broyles. Ole Miss = Hugh Freeze (fired after 5 years), Houston Nutt (fired after 3 years), Ed Orgeron (fired after 3 years), David Cutcliffe (fired after 7 years), Tommy Tubberville (quit after 4 years to go to Auburn), Joe Lee Dunne (1 year interim), Billy Brewer (fired after 11 years and his 2nd set of NCAA recruiting sanctions), Steve Sloan (5 years, quit to take the Duke job before he could get fired), Ken Cooper (fired after 4 years), Billy Kinnard (fired in the middle of his 3rd year)... notice a pattern? I guess I don't see how a job where you are almost assured of getting fired 3-7 years after getting hired amid unrealistic expectations despite the obvious handicaps of those schools (namely, that neither Fayetteville nor Oxford are 'destinations' for high school athletes from Texas or Florida) is somehow obviously better than one in a recruiting hotbed where you actually have a legitimate chance of winning conference titles.

USFFan

Louisville vs Purdue right now...Purdue
Louisville vs Purdue if you're Jeff Brohm...Louisville

It's not the same for everyone.

None of them are. For instance, Brent Venables covets Kansas State. Not many people hold that job in as high regard.