(12-27-2018 09:46 AM)king king Wrote:  Jesus said that there are no other commandments greater than loving your God with all your heart, soul, and mind and loving your neighbor. Does loving your neighbor not extend to neighbors outside the (fake government imposed) border?

Do your research, God endorsed borders when giving the land to Israel. Please do not post on subjects you obviously have zero, zip, no knowledge of, it makes you look very foolish.


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(12-27-2018 07:20 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-27-2018 09:44 AM)king king Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 06:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 10:43 AM)king king Wrote:  We dont give TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid, Eric. That's a fallacy.

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" seems a very convenient way of separating out the balance of powers here on Earth and how they roll up under God in Heaven. By the reasoning found in Romans 13:1, God appointed DJT as the head of the US.

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

If this is the best God can do, we are ALL going to burn.

Your are being either grossly dishonest or grossly ignorant of the Scriptures here. The Bile makes quite clear this is a fall world, not the one He created for us. We turned from him and brought sin and death into the world through that decision, and He also has given us the free gift of redemption, salvation and eternal life to fix the problem.

Whether you like it or not, He gave us free will. Perhaps you wanted to be a robot and not have free will?

(12-26-2018 10:43 AM)king king Wrote:  BTW, there is ample empirical evidence showing that all residents benefit from immigration and the far reaching effects it has on the country receiving the immigrant(s). In fact studies show that when immigrants show up in neighborhoods that have previously had issues with violent crime and homicide, that rate goes down. Even among illegal immigrants, and since recent studies have begun to focus more on those whom are illegally here, it is shown that there is no more an increase in violent crimes committed by them than any other segment when they are introduced into an area. In fact, for all locations studied, the violent crime rate goes down.

Instead of fear-mongering like the right does, and the free for all that the left wants, we all need to take a look at the actual numbers associated with these people, the benefits and the risks, actually figure out of they are a boon or a weight, and then make decisions accordingly.

Should we stop illegal border crossings? Yes, there is a process.

Should we be enacting legislation to curb immigration from certain areas? No, not until there is some verifiable proof that that is necessary; the evidence shows that this is massively over-inflated as a hot-button issue and BOTH sides are relying on our emotional response to hyperbolic rhetoric to swing more people to their side.

Quit being played.

One un-biased article with SEVERAL studies

I'm not remotely interested in the political detials of this, you'll have to find someone who is to have that debate.

My comments in the thread were about the distorting and misapplication of scripture to argue the politics.

Listen, Jesus, I'm sorry that you felt the need to comment to tell me you're not commenting but next time just send me a thought via telepathy and let's do away with the message board nonsense.

My mother had a stoke today my friend, I'm not really concerned about the trash you are spewing here.

Prayers for your mother Eric.


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Thanks for your thoughts prayers. It means a lot.

(12-27-2018 10:34 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(12-27-2018 09:46 AM)king king Wrote:  Jesus said that there are no other commandments greater than loving your God with all your heart, soul, and mind and loving your neighbor. Does loving your neighbor not extend to neighbors outside the (fake government imposed) border?

Do your research, God endorsed borders when giving the land to Israel. Please do not post on subjects you obviously have zero, zip, no knowledge of, it makes you look very foolish.


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Ironic being told I know nothing on a subject by someone that doesn't know me all deduced from one post where I asked a legitimate question. Did God endorse all borders when he gave that land to Israel or just those for Israel?

Eric, sorry to hear about your mom. I hope she makes a complete recovery.

This begs another set of questions - at what point in the Bible is it ok to stop obeying what it says? Who is keeping the Sabbath holy? What about all the stuff in Leviticus? Are we good with all that now that Jesus died...is there some synod that took place where men decided which of God's laws they were going to keep and which were ok to do away with? These are real questions.

The New trumps the old. We are living in the era of grace and forgiveness. Only 2 laws in NT, love the Lord (Jesus). With all y.our heart, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Acts explains a lot of this,

King, my apologies for coming across harsh.


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(12-29-2018 03:36 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The New trumps the old. We are living in the era of grace and forgiveness. Only 2 laws in NT, love the Lord (Jesus). With all y.our heart, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Acts explains a lot of this,

King, my apologies for coming across harsh.


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All good. I'm in it for the discussion despite being snarky previously with Eric.

Jjoey, thanks for replying. I agree we are in the age of forgiveness.

At what point does it truly diverge, though? If the boundaries laid out by God were fulfilled and then surpassed by Christ (speaking to the Law here), and in light of the fact that we don't keep all of the laws of Leviticus or really anything up to Deuteronomy, where does it diverge and upon whose authority does it?

(12-29-2018 09:47 PM)king king Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 03:36 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The New trumps the old. We are living in the era of grace and forgiveness. Only 2 laws in NT, love the Lord (Jesus). With all y.our heart, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Acts explains a lot of this,

King, my apologies for coming across harsh.


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All good. I'm in it for the discussion despite being snarky previously with Eric.

Jjoey, thanks for replying. I agree we are in the age of forgiveness.

At what point does it truly diverge, though? If the boundaries laid out by God were fulfilled and then surpassed by Christ (speaking to the Law here), and in light of the fact that we don't keep all of the laws of Leviticus or really anything up to Deuteronomy, where does it diverge and upon whose authority does it?

As written in the NT, the law teaches us what sin is, but we are no longer under that teacher when we accept Christ as our Savior. Having said that, sin is still sin. Adultery, murderer, lust, stealing, lying.....all still sin. We simply are not bound to be stoned for those sins as the ancient Hebrew were. Those today who willfully practice sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

The purification laws concerning food, dress and other things never applied the Gentiles. They were laws that applied the nation of Israel. But sin is still sin.

All this is laid out very clearly in the NT. The book of Romans goes into great detail on this, as does Acts and several of the Epistles. Its a very simple thing to understand though. Its only complicated when a person chooses to complicate it or put themselves under the old law.

(12-29-2018 09:16 AM)king king Wrote:  This begs another set of questions - at what point in the Bible is it ok to stop obeying what it says? Who is keeping the Sabbath holy? What about all the stuff in Leviticus? Are we good with all that now that Jesus died...is there some synod that took place where men decided which of God's laws they were going to keep and which were ok to do away with? These are real questions.

See the above comment.

We gentiles were never ancient Hebrews, so Sabbath keeping was never a law for us.

For us gentiles today, its about our faith in Christ. When Christ lives in you, you will grow to hate sin, and purge it from your life more and more day by day.

Fair enough. Thanks for the responses.

Eric, how is your mom doing?


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(12-30-2018 08:26 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Eric, how is your mom doing?


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She is resting and doing well. Memphis has great preparation for first response on strokes, and they got her a drip going as soon as they got to her and dissolved the clot. It appears so far there is not permanent damage. And they have put her on some blood thinners and other meds to prevent further strokes.

Its the second time this has happened in the last 2 months, and luckily she was at work in midtown both times, which meant she got treatment very fast.

They kept her an extra day for tests to find out the cause and try to keep a third stroke from happening. They think the meds and blood thinners she is now on will make a big difference.

So she is doing well, just remember her in your prayers. Thanks my friend.