(11-18-2018 04:52 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 04:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You can just google "Jerry Fallwell Trump Stormy Daniels" or "evangelical pastor supports Trump adultery" and find ample evidence of evangelicals supporting Trump in the face of demonstrable hedonism. That was my point. And I stand by it.

Evangelicals saw the 2016 election as a contest between a terrible sinner and the devil personified. In that case, they voted the lesser of evils.

If Hillary had an R by her name and Trump had a D, Evangelicals would have lined up to vote for Hillary. They aren’t exactly complicated voters.

If Hillary had an R by her name, she would not have gotten the nomination without vastly different positions on some issues. And her opponent would have been even more unacceptable to Evangelicals. Hillary was probably about the closest thing democrats had to Evangelicals on the issues.

Disagree? Fine. That means you believe someone was closer to Evangelicals on the issues than Hillary was. Who?

(11-18-2018 05:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 04:52 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 04:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You can just google "Jerry Fallwell Trump Stormy Daniels" or "evangelical pastor supports Trump adultery" and find ample evidence of evangelicals supporting Trump in the face of demonstrable hedonism. That was my point. And I stand by it.

Evangelicals saw the 2016 election as a contest between a terrible sinner and the devil personified. In that case, they voted the lesser of evils.

If Hillary had an R by her name and Trump had a D, Evangelicals would have lined up to vote for Hillary. They aren’t exactly complicated voters.

If Hillary had an R by her name, she would not have gotten the nomination without vastly different positions on some issues. And her opponent would have been even more unacceptable to Evangelicals. Hillary was probably about the closest thing democrats had to Evangelicals on the issues.

Disagree? Fine. That means you believe someone was closer to Evangelicals on the issues than Hillary was. Who?

Your post sent shivers down my spine but you're right. To think that she was the most moral of the Demons is to sum it up with one word, SAD.

(11-18-2018 04:55 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 02:44 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 08:32 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  For I say unto you. The GOP is your religion now.... contemplate and repent in your hour of need.

GOP Jesus is real and if you truly live life in his interpretation of God’s word; he will bestow you with abundent wealth and luxury airplanes... see Jesse Duplantis, Creflo Dollar; and holiest of all, Kenneth Copeland.

I don’t consider those guys and the prosperity gospel legit bible believing Christians.


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Fortunately more and more devoted bible believing Christians are aware of that false prosperity gospel and openly rejecting it.

There is a lot of growth in knowledge and understanding of the scripture the last several years. Those who truly digging into the Word are understanding and rejecting these false gospels and preachers more and more.

Those are some of the wolves in sheeps clothing that the Bible tells us about. They're in for the money only. Jesus never promised us wealth, he promised us salvation if we seek it.

(11-18-2018 07:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Those are some of the wolves in sheeps clothing that the Bible tells us about. They're in for the money only. Jesus never promised us wealth, he promised us salvation if we seek it.

I don’t think there’re even bothering to wear the sheeps clothing... Imagine being a supposed man of God and being agitated by people coming up in an airport and asking you to pray for them. Imagine calling the passengers flying in coach demons. How anyone gives these thieves money is beyond me? They prey upon the sick and the elderly and surely there is a special place in hell for these grifters.

(11-18-2018 08:22 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 07:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Those are some of the wolves in sheeps clothing that the Bible tells us about. They're in for the money only. Jesus never promised us wealth, he promised us salvation if we seek it.

I don’t think there’re even bothering to wear the sheeps clothing... Imagine being a supposed man of God and being agitated by people coming up in an airport and asking you to pray for them. Imagine calling the passengers flying in coach demons. How anyone gives these thieves money is beyond me? They prey upon the sick and the elderly and surely there is a special place in hell for these grifters.

If they are claiming to be preachers and men of God, then they are clearly wolves in sheep clothing.

That is exactly what that means in biblical terms.

If they weren't wearing sheeps clothing that would me they are not even pretending to be men of God or Christians.

(11-18-2018 04:52 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 04:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You can just google "Jerry Fallwell Trump Stormy Daniels" or "evangelical pastor supports Trump adultery" and find ample evidence of evangelicals supporting Trump in the face of demonstrable hedonism. That was my point. And I stand by it.

Evangelicals saw the 2016 election as a contest between a terrible sinner and the devil personified. In that case, they voted the lesser of evils.

If Hillary had an R by her name and Trump had a D, Evangelicals would have lined up to vote for Hillary. They aren’t exactly complicated voters.

Nope. Wrong.

(11-17-2018 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 06:52 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I'm hearing a wave of openly godless liberals all parroting each other trying to use Mathew 25 against republicans, conservatives and Christians as an excuse to allow millions of illegals to break our laws, charge across our boarders and rack up millions on the taxpayers dollars of Americas.

Well lets take a hard look at that very thing. Matthew 25 in no way says you are expected or required to allow millions of people to break your laws and steal millions from the US taxpayers in the name of Jesus. That is a LIE and NOT what Matthew 25 says. In fact, Christ said nothing in Matt 25 about a government response to illegal immigration in any shape of form. The text is about what individuals CHOOSE to share and do according to their own means and heart, AS INDIVIDUALS.

Its also a blatantly obvious fact that anyone who is on the verge of starving to death is not going to be able to hike 2000 miles from El Salvador to the US boarder.

Its also a fact that not one single person in that or any other caravan has to cross the US boarder to get any support or help from the America government or her citizens, or the gigantic nation they are using as a crossing bridge (Mexico).

The reality is America is already one of the most generous and giving nations that have ever existed on the face of this planet. And the individual citizens are some of the most giving that have ever existed as well. American gives TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid to heal, feed, cloth, shelter and support poor people across the globe. I, like most Americans, want to do what I can to help poor people across the globe and do so. But that in non way requires us to take in millions of illegals who openly defy our laws, rip off our taxpayers and refuse to learn our langue or join or society at all.

Don't let these godless liars use the Gospel against you in such a dishonest manner. PUSH BACK WITH THE TRUTH. Matthew 25 says NOTHING about a governments response to illegal immigration, and illegal immigration is NOT a viable solution to global poverty. Matthew 25 speaks of each individuals response to help the poor and needy and is NOT an endorsement of open boarders and illegal immigration.

In fact, Christ taught quite clearly to respect the laws of the land that they are put there by the will of GOD, and render unto Caesar what is his. He NEVER spoke of telling the poor to break laws, charge illegally across boarders and steal from honest tax payers.

Let me just distill what many, if not most Americans feel about religious views like the one you espouse here.

"I got mine, screw you"
"Migrants are criminals"
"People who don't speak English are bad people"
"My God requires YOUR compliance with laws that I decide are godly, but requires MY non-compliance with ones that I decide are ungodly"

But hey, don't forget to send your kids down to Costa Rica on a Spring Break Mission Trip so they can paint half a wall somewhere. Congrats. You fixed Central America!

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The fastest growing religious preference is 'decline to state/none' precisely because we know you through your works.

This response is a symptom of your disease. I, nor any rational person I know, interpreted any of what he said the way you did.

As to Costa Rica, what have YOU done for anyone?

(11-17-2018 12:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I can't think of a more twisted hypocrisy than screaming that you are concerned about migrate children as you place the murder of MILLIONS of innocent unborn child on a pedestal and worship the practice as religious and moral sanctification.

I can't think of a more self righteous group of people on this earth than liberal progressives.

Christians know and understand they have no righteousness at all, and no matter how many good works they do or how good a person they try to be they have no righteousness at all and are a fallen sinner in need of a Savior. Good works follow our salivation, they are not a path to it. Our good works are to glorify Christ, not yourself like the liberal puritans.

+3

(11-18-2018 08:24 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

It's "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." But you know that already, how very Alinskyesque of you.

(11-18-2018 08:28 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  That YouTube is for you Eric. You will be in my prayers. You are a good man who has fallen under a false prophet. May God have mercy on your soul.

I will not judge you Eric for Matthew.7.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Isn't there something in the AUP about trolling?

(11-18-2018 03:47 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 02:11 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 01:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 01:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Well you do support Trump, so I suppose you do.

Go ahead and point out where Trump has preached. Link it up and support your position as required by the AUP of this forum.

You can't because like most everything else you post in here it's a figment of your demented imagination.

Better yet he won't because that's what he does. He doesn't debate he hits his talking points and veers into whataboutism when further discussion is to be had. He's a NPC.
Immigration good cause media says so...
Point countered by non NPC...
Orange man bad here's why.

You can just google "Jerry Fallwell Trump Stormy Daniels" or "evangelical pastor supports Trump adultery" and find ample evidence of evangelicals supporting Trump in the face of demonstrable hedonism. That was my point. And I stand by it.

Thanks for proving my point.

I could have used this in several of his posts here but this seems like the best time:

He doesn't debate he hits his talking points and veers into whataboutism when further discussion is to be had. - gdunn

(11-18-2018 08:22 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 07:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Those are some of the wolves in sheeps clothing that the Bible tells us about. They're in for the money only. Jesus never promised us wealth, he promised us salvation if we seek it.

I don’t think there’re even bothering to wear the sheeps clothing... Imagine being a supposed man of God and being agitated by people coming up in an airport and asking you to pray for them. Imagine calling the passengers flying in coach demons. How anyone gives these thieves money is beyond me? They prey upon the sick and the elderly and surely there is a special place in hell for these grifters.

And that is the extent of your experience with this? Singular instances given group attributes? For you to claim that these hucksters are representative only of the GOP is blatantly dishonest. What's new though...

It might surprise you to know though that there are many here who agree with your last sentence, me included.

I need that Triggered picture.....

We dont give TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid, Eric. That's a fallacy.

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" seems a very convenient way of separating out the balance of powers here on Earth and how they roll up under God in Heaven. By the reasoning found in Romans 13:1, God appointed DJT as the head of the US.

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

If this is the best God can do, we are ALL going to burn.

BTW, there is ample empirical evidence showing that all residents benefit from immigration and the far reaching effects it has on the country receiving the immigrant(s). In fact studies show that when immigrants show up in neighborhoods that have previously had issues with violent crime and homicide, that rate goes down. Even among illegal immigrants, and since recent studies have begun to focus more on those whom are illegally here, it is shown that there is no more an increase in violent crimes committed by them than any other segment when they are introduced into an area. In fact, for all locations studied, the violent crime rate goes down.

Instead of fear-mongering like the right does, and the free for all that the left wants, we all need to take a look at the actual numbers associated with these people, the benefits and the risks, actually figure out of they are a boon or a weight, and then make decisions accordingly.

Should we stop illegal border crossings? Yes, there is a process.

Should we be enacting legislation to curb immigration from certain areas? No, not until there is some verifiable proof that that is necessary; the evidence shows that this is massively over-inflated as a hot-button issue and BOTH sides are relying on our emotional response to hyperbolic rhetoric to swing more people to their side.

Quit being played.

One un-biased article with SEVERAL studies

This is the biggest crock of crap I have ever seen.. Liberals don’t care about God, Their god is liberalism and sacrifice is abortion.

God also says do all things in moderation and in order. This immigration farce is neither decent nor in order.


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(12-26-2018 10:43 AM)king king Wrote:  We dont give TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid, Eric. That's a fallacy.

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" seems a very convenient way of separating out the balance of powers here on Earth and how they roll up under God in Heaven. By the reasoning found in Romans 13:1, God appointed DJT as the head of the US.

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

If this is the best God can do, we are ALL going to burn.

Your are being either grossly dishonest or grossly ignorant of the Scriptures here. The Bile makes quite clear this is a fall world, not the one He created for us. We turned from him and brought sin and death into the world through that decision, and He also has given us the free gift of redemption, salvation and eternal life to fix the problem.

Whether you like it or not, He gave us free will. Perhaps you wanted to be a robot and not have free will?

(12-26-2018 10:43 AM)king king Wrote:  BTW, there is ample empirical evidence showing that all residents benefit from immigration and the far reaching effects it has on the country receiving the immigrant(s). In fact studies show that when immigrants show up in neighborhoods that have previously had issues with violent crime and homicide, that rate goes down. Even among illegal immigrants, and since recent studies have begun to focus more on those whom are illegally here, it is shown that there is no more an increase in violent crimes committed by them than any other segment when they are introduced into an area. In fact, for all locations studied, the violent crime rate goes down.

Instead of fear-mongering like the right does, and the free for all that the left wants, we all need to take a look at the actual numbers associated with these people, the benefits and the risks, actually figure out of they are a boon or a weight, and then make decisions accordingly.

Should we stop illegal border crossings? Yes, there is a process.

Should we be enacting legislation to curb immigration from certain areas? No, not until there is some verifiable proof that that is necessary; the evidence shows that this is massively over-inflated as a hot-button issue and BOTH sides are relying on our emotional response to hyperbolic rhetoric to swing more people to their side.

Quit being played.

One un-biased article with SEVERAL studies

I'm not remotely interested in the political detials of this, you'll have to find someone who is to have that debate.

My comments in the thread were about the distorting and misapplication of scripture to argue the politics.

(12-26-2018 06:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 10:43 AM)king king Wrote:  We dont give TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid, Eric. That's a fallacy.

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" seems a very convenient way of separating out the balance of powers here on Earth and how they roll up under God in Heaven. By the reasoning found in Romans 13:1, God appointed DJT as the head of the US.

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

If this is the best God can do, we are ALL going to burn.

Your are being either grossly dishonest or grossly ignorant of the Scriptures here. The Bile makes quite clear this is a fall world, not the one He created for us. We turned from him and brought sin and death into the world through that decision, and He also has given us the free gift of redemption, salvation and eternal life to fix the problem.

Whether you like it or not, He gave us free will. Perhaps you wanted to be a robot and not have free will?

(12-26-2018 10:43 AM)king king Wrote:  BTW, there is ample empirical evidence showing that all residents benefit from immigration and the far reaching effects it has on the country receiving the immigrant(s). In fact studies show that when immigrants show up in neighborhoods that have previously had issues with violent crime and homicide, that rate goes down. Even among illegal immigrants, and since recent studies have begun to focus more on those whom are illegally here, it is shown that there is no more an increase in violent crimes committed by them than any other segment when they are introduced into an area. In fact, for all locations studied, the violent crime rate goes down.

Instead of fear-mongering like the right does, and the free for all that the left wants, we all need to take a look at the actual numbers associated with these people, the benefits and the risks, actually figure out of they are a boon or a weight, and then make decisions accordingly.

Should we stop illegal border crossings? Yes, there is a process.

Should we be enacting legislation to curb immigration from certain areas? No, not until there is some verifiable proof that that is necessary; the evidence shows that this is massively over-inflated as a hot-button issue and BOTH sides are relying on our emotional response to hyperbolic rhetoric to swing more people to their side.

Quit being played.

One un-biased article with SEVERAL studies

I'm not remotely interested in the political detials of this, you'll have to find someone who is to have that debate.

My comments in the thread were about the distorting and misapplication of scripture to argue the politics.

Listen, Jesus, I'm sorry that you felt the need to comment to tell me you're not commenting but next time just send me a thought via telepathy and let's do away with the message board nonsense.

Jesus said that there are no other commandments greater than loving your God with all your heart, soul, and mind and loving your neighbor. Does loving your neighbor not extend to neighbors outside the (fake government imposed) border?

(12-27-2018 09:44 AM)king king Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 06:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 10:43 AM)king king Wrote:  We dont give TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid, Eric. That's a fallacy.

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" seems a very convenient way of separating out the balance of powers here on Earth and how they roll up under God in Heaven. By the reasoning found in Romans 13:1, God appointed DJT as the head of the US.

Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

If this is the best God can do, we are ALL going to burn.

Your are being either grossly dishonest or grossly ignorant of the Scriptures here. The Bile makes quite clear this is a fall world, not the one He created for us. We turned from him and brought sin and death into the world through that decision, and He also has given us the free gift of redemption, salvation and eternal life to fix the problem.

Whether you like it or not, He gave us free will. Perhaps you wanted to be a robot and not have free will?

(12-26-2018 10:43 AM)king king Wrote:  BTW, there is ample empirical evidence showing that all residents benefit from immigration and the far reaching effects it has on the country receiving the immigrant(s). In fact studies show that when immigrants show up in neighborhoods that have previously had issues with violent crime and homicide, that rate goes down. Even among illegal immigrants, and since recent studies have begun to focus more on those whom are illegally here, it is shown that there is no more an increase in violent crimes committed by them than any other segment when they are introduced into an area. In fact, for all locations studied, the violent crime rate goes down.

Instead of fear-mongering like the right does, and the free for all that the left wants, we all need to take a look at the actual numbers associated with these people, the benefits and the risks, actually figure out of they are a boon or a weight, and then make decisions accordingly.

Should we stop illegal border crossings? Yes, there is a process.

Should we be enacting legislation to curb immigration from certain areas? No, not until there is some verifiable proof that that is necessary; the evidence shows that this is massively over-inflated as a hot-button issue and BOTH sides are relying on our emotional response to hyperbolic rhetoric to swing more people to their side.

Quit being played.

One un-biased article with SEVERAL studies

I'm not remotely interested in the political detials of this, you'll have to find someone who is to have that debate.

My comments in the thread were about the distorting and misapplication of scripture to argue the politics.

Listen, Jesus, I'm sorry that you felt the need to comment to tell me you're not commenting but next time just send me a thought via telepathy and let's do away with the message board nonsense.

My mother had a stoke today my friend, I'm not really concerned about the trash you are spewing here.