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(11-18-2018 10:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 09:54 AM)otown Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 09:09 AM)TampaTom Wrote:  Herbstreit is right.


Now watch everyone that was pounding their chest like little frat boys last week disown Herbie.

Well logically, there wouldn't be anything wrong with that, as nobody said Herbie was always right, just that he was right about what he said on Gameday. If a person says a correct thing one day, and a dumb one the next, it's proper to say "he was right" on day one, and then "that's dumb" on day two.

FWIW, I think Herbie is wrong here. Just looking at the game results, it would seem UCF should move up to #9, behind the top 6, all of whom won, and then also Washington State and LSU.

Maybe the CFP finally loses its love affair with LSU and moves UCF past them, but Wazzu was very impressive last night so it's hard to imagine UCF jumping them.

UCF should move past WVU, who lost, and Ohio State, who barely beat a bad Maryland team.

I think you give the committee to much credit. I dont think they move past OSU, even though they should. I'll eat crow if they do though. However, I dont expect the bias to stop. Ideally, last night should have been enough to move them past LSU, West Virginia, and Ohio State. Not gonna happen though.
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Let's look at the teams ahead of UCF. Remove ranked/powerful teams they lost to. There are quite a bit whose resume would squarely fit the narrative of what is used against UCF. Only difference is that UCF doesnt have losses.

For crying out loud, look at OSU. Who did they beat to deserve that ranking? Who sure as hell know who they lost to.
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(11-18-2018 11:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(11-17-2018 12:36 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Come on man. Of course Central Florida deserves a spot in the playoff. They've run the table for two years in a row. So what if they are couple spots behind teams in conferences with (more or less) automatic berths? Suspend the disbelief. Give them a shot. They've done all they can do.

No, they don’t. They didn’t play Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, or Michigan’s schedule. If they did: different conversation. I’m not saying it’s their fault, schedules were created years ago and UCF’s schedule does not prove they’re top 4.

The problem is---it doesnt really prove they arent top 4 either. As Ive discussed before, there really is no way for a G5 to fashion a schedule any better than #66. The reality is your going to have to figure some way to accurately compare the G5's and P5s that have vastly differing schedules. The results of head to head top G5's vs top10 P5's in the BCS and access bowl games would seem to indicate that the two are far closer together than the current methods of comparison are indicating.

So we should put them in over somebody who has actually earned their spot in because UCF’s schedule hasn’t proven they aren’t top4?

What the hell?

No. When you’ve won every game on your schedule, you’ve earned everything possible to earn that season. If you can’t win all your games and get in, then you can’t get in. Remember—I’m arguing that a G5 can’t get in (with the exception of some ridiculously unlikely scenarios where every P5 champ has 4 losses and the undefeated G5 champ happens to play 4 P5 champs in OOC——and the entire roster at Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Clemson, Texas, and USC contracts mono).

You seem focused on the fact that a teams resume may not prove its good enough for the playoff. What I’m saying is if the team is undefeated, it really can’t be proven they are not the best team in the nation (since nobody has beaten them). Somewhere—we became mired in comparing resumes and SOS—rather than teams. The 2015 and 2016 Houston teams are a good example to me. The 2015 team was actually better—but the argument here is only the 2016 team had a chance for the playoff? Well—that’s a pretty flawed system if thats true. Point being—we probably need a better method of comparing teams with vastly differing SOS.

In a vacuum I agree with you.

However, you have teams go undefeated, or with one loss, that have over the course of the season beaten top 10 teams, sometimes more than once and played in vastly higher stakes games.

That’s worth more.
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(11-18-2018 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(11-18-2018 10:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(11-18-2018 01:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  No, they don’t. They didn’t play Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, or Michigan’s schedule. If they did: different conversation. I’m not saying it’s their fault, schedules were created years ago and UCF’s schedule does not prove they’re top 4.

The problem is---it doesnt really prove they arent top 4 either. As Ive discussed before, there really is no way for a G5 to fashion a schedule any better than #66. The reality is your going to have to figure some way to accurately compare the G5's and P5s that have vastly differing schedules. The results of head to head top G5's vs top10 P5's in the BCS and access bowl games would seem to indicate that the two are far closer together than the current methods of comparison are indicating.

So we should put them in over somebody who has actually earned their spot in because UCF’s schedule hasn’t proven they aren’t top4?

What the hell?

No. When you’ve won every game on your schedule, you’ve earned everything possible to earn that season. If you can’t win all your games and get in, then you can’t get in. Remember—I’m arguing that a G5 can’t get in (with the exception of some ridiculously unlikely scenarios where every P5 champ has 4 losses and the undefeated G5 champ happens to play 4 P5 champs in OOC——and the entire roster at Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Clemson, Texas, and USC contracts mono).

You seem focused on the fact that a teams resume may not prove its good enough for the playoff. What I’m saying is if the team is undefeated, it really can’t be proven they are not the best team in the nation (since nobody has beaten them). Somewhere—we became mired in comparing resumes and SOS—rather than teams. The 2015 and 2016 Houston teams are a good example to me. The 2015 team was actually better—but the argument here is only the 2016 team had a chance for the playoff? Well—that’s a pretty flawed system if thats true. Point being—we probably need a better method of comparing teams with vastly differing SOS.

In a vacuum I agree with you.

However, you have teams go undefeated, or with one loss, that have over the course of the season beaten top 10 teams, sometimes more than once and played in vastly higher stakes games.

That’s worth more.

Outside of Bama, Clemson, and ND......... what other teams ahead of UCF fit that merit? Use examples of who they beat, and dont ignore their losses
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Until good P5 teams agree to play home and home with good G5 teams, nothing will change. SOS is used against good G5 teams, but it's not like a lot of us don't try to fix it.
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(11-18-2018 10:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(11-17-2018 12:36 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Come on man. Of course Central Florida deserves a spot in the playoff. They've run the table for two years in a row. So what if they are couple spots behind teams in conferences with (more or less) automatic berths? Suspend the disbelief. Give them a shot. They've done all they can do.

No, they don’t. They didn’t play Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, or Michigan’s schedule. If they did: different conversation. I’m not saying it’s their fault, schedules were created years ago and UCF’s schedule does not prove they’re top 4.

The problem is---it doesnt really prove they arent top 4 either. As Ive discussed before, there really is no way for a G5 to fashion a schedule any better than #66. The reality is your going to have to figure some way to accurately compare the G5's and P5s that have vastly differing schedules. The results of head to head top G5's vs top10 P5's in the BCS and access bowl games would seem to indicate that the two are far closer together than the current methods of comparison are indicating.

So we should put them in over somebody who has actually earned their spot in because UCF’s schedule hasn’t proven they aren’t top4?

What the hell?

Again if your argument is "schedule" you are simply creating a circular loop that has the sole purpose on insuring no G5 ever can be in the playoff because 66% of their "schedule" is completely out of your control and 33% is limited to only those schools willing to play them.

Quit defrauding the public claiming it is a national championship when the system is pre-determined to exclude 50% of the field and arguably exclude closer to 70% if you honestly apply the schedule argument to P5 non-conference schedules.
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(11-18-2018 12:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Until good P5 teams agree to play home and home with good G5 teams, nothing will change. SOS is used against good G5 teams, but it's not like a lot of us don't try to fix it.

Why does it have to be home and home?

They can start by just scheduling them.
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(11-18-2018 12:26 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 10:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-17-2018 12:36 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Come on man. Of course Central Florida deserves a spot in the playoff. They've run the table for two years in a row. So what if they are couple spots behind teams in conferences with (more or less) automatic berths? Suspend the disbelief. Give them a shot. They've done all they can do.

No, they don’t. They didn’t play Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, or Michigan’s schedule. If they did: different conversation. I’m not saying it’s their fault, schedules were created years ago and UCF’s schedule does not prove they’re top 4.

The problem is---it doesnt really prove they arent top 4 either. As Ive discussed before, there really is no way for a G5 to fashion a schedule any better than #66. The reality is your going to have to figure some way to accurately compare the G5's and P5s that have vastly differing schedules. The results of head to head top G5's vs top10 P5's in the BCS and access bowl games would seem to indicate that the two are far closer together than the current methods of comparison are indicating.

So we should put them in over somebody who has actually earned their spot in because UCF’s schedule hasn’t proven they aren’t top4?

What the hell?

Again if your argument is "schedule" you are simply creating a circular loop that has the sole purpose on insuring no G5 ever can be in the playoff because 66% of their "schedule" is completely out of your control and 33% is limited to only those schools willing to play them.

Quit defrauding the public claiming it is a national championship when the system is pre-determined to exclude 50% of the field and arguably exclude closer to 70% if you honestly apply the schedule argument to P5 non-conference schedules.

I’ve posted several times the achievements it’s taken for teams to make the playoffs. They are greatly in excess of anything UCF, or Houston, has achieved.

Let’s be real, the system is designed to exclude 98% of the field. That’s why you have to play your way in.
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(11-18-2018 11:32 AM)otown Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 11:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 10:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The problem is---it doesnt really prove they arent top 4 either. As Ive discussed before, there really is no way for a G5 to fashion a schedule any better than #66. The reality is your going to have to figure some way to accurately compare the G5's and P5s that have vastly differing schedules. The results of head to head top G5's vs top10 P5's in the BCS and access bowl games would seem to indicate that the two are far closer together than the current methods of comparison are indicating.

So we should put them in over somebody who has actually earned their spot in because UCF’s schedule hasn’t proven they aren’t top4?

What the hell?

No. When you’ve won every game on your schedule, you’ve earned everything possible to earn that season. If you can’t win all your games and get in, then you can’t get in. Remember—I’m arguing that a G5 can’t get in (with the exception of some ridiculously unlikely scenarios where every P5 champ has 4 losses and the undefeated G5 champ happens to play 4 P5 champs in OOC——and the entire roster at Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Clemson, Texas, and USC contracts mono).

You seem focused on the fact that a teams resume may not prove its good enough for the playoff. What I’m saying is if the team is undefeated, it really can’t be proven they are not the best team in the nation (since nobody has beaten them). Somewhere—we became mired in comparing resumes and SOS—rather than teams. The 2015 and 2016 Houston teams are a good example to me. The 2015 team was actually better—but the argument here is only the 2016 team had a chance for the playoff? Well—that’s a pretty flawed system if thats true. Point being—we probably need a better method of comparing teams with vastly differing SOS.

In a vacuum I agree with you.

However, you have teams go undefeated, or with one loss, that have over the course of the season beaten top 10 teams, sometimes more than once and played in vastly higher stakes games.

That’s worth more.

Outside of Bama, Clemson, and ND......... what other teams ahead of UCF fit that merit? Use examples of who they beat, and dont ignore their losses

LSU has achieved more than UCF.
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(11-18-2018 12:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 12:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Until good P5 teams agree to play home and home with good G5 teams, nothing will change. SOS is used against good G5 teams, but it's not like a lot of us don't try to fix it.

Why does it have to be home and home?

They can start by just scheduling them.

So in addition to playing a "superior team" after all that's royalty/blood line argument that being in a power league confers superiority, the team must also take on the added disadvantages of being the team that travels, spends the night in a strange bed, prepares in a strange locker room and then faces a hostile crowd of 70,000 or more.

It is no longer sufficient to just play and beat the P5 team, they must start the game essentially three points behind every time they face a P5?
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(11-18-2018 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 11:32 AM)otown Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(11-18-2018 10:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So we should put them in over somebody who has actually earned their spot in because UCF’s schedule hasn’t proven they aren’t top4?

What the hell?

No. When you’ve won every game on your schedule, you’ve earned everything possible to earn that season. If you can’t win all your games and get in, then you can’t get in. Remember—I’m arguing that a G5 can’t get in (with the exception of some ridiculously unlikely scenarios where every P5 champ has 4 losses and the undefeated G5 champ happens to play 4 P5 champs in OOC——and the entire roster at Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Clemson, Texas, and USC contracts mono).

You seem focused on the fact that a teams resume may not prove its good enough for the playoff. What I’m saying is if the team is undefeated, it really can’t be proven they are not the best team in the nation (since nobody has beaten them). Somewhere—we became mired in comparing resumes and SOS—rather than teams. The 2015 and 2016 Houston teams are a good example to me. The 2015 team was actually better—but the argument here is only the 2016 team had a chance for the playoff? Well—that’s a pretty flawed system if thats true. Point being—we probably need a better method of comparing teams with vastly differing SOS.

In a vacuum I agree with you.

However, you have teams go undefeated, or with one loss, that have over the course of the season beaten top 10 teams, sometimes more than once and played in vastly higher stakes games.

That’s worth more.

Outside of Bama, Clemson, and ND......... what other teams ahead of UCF fit that merit? Use examples of who they beat, and dont ignore their losses

LSU has achieved more than UCF.

LSU has also achieved two losses. I am pretty damn far from a UCF fan, but think that they should be ranked ahead of a two loss LSU.
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(11-18-2018 11:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(11-18-2018 01:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(11-17-2018 12:36 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Come on man. Of course Central Florida deserves a spot in the playoff. They've run the table for two years in a row. So what if they are couple spots behind teams in conferences with (more or less) automatic berths? Suspend the disbelief. Give them a shot. They've done all they can do.

No, they don’t. They didn’t play Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, or Michigan’s schedule. If they did: different conversation. I’m not saying it’s their fault, schedules were created years ago and UCF’s schedule does not prove they’re top 4.

The problem is---it doesnt really prove they arent top 4 either. As Ive discussed before, there really is no way for a G5 to fashion a schedule any better than #66. The reality is your going to have to figure some way to accurately compare the G5's and P5s that have vastly differing schedules. The results of head to head top G5's vs top10 P5's in the BCS and access bowl games would seem to indicate that the two are far closer together than the current methods of comparison are indicating.

So we should put them in over somebody who has actually earned their spot in because UCF’s schedule hasn’t proven they aren’t top4?

What the hell?

No. When you’ve won every game on your schedule, you’ve earned everything possible to earn that season. If you can’t win all your games and get in, then you can’t get in. Remember—I’m arguing that a G5 can’t get in (with the exception of some ridiculously unlikely scenarios where every P5 champ has 4 losses and the undefeated G5 champ happens to play 4 P5 champs in OOC——and the entire roster at Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Clemson, Texas, and USC contracts mono).

You seem focused on the fact that a teams resume may not prove its good enough for the playoff. What I’m saying is if the team is undefeated, it really can’t be proven they are not the best team in the nation (since nobody has beaten them). Somewhere—we became mired in comparing resumes and SOS—rather than teams. The 2015 and 2016 Houston teams are a good example to me. The 2015 team was actually better—but the argument here is only the 2016 team had a chance for the playoff? Well—that’s a pretty flawed system if thats true. Point being—we probably need a better method of comparing teams with vastly differing SOS.

But ... that's possibly true for P5 as well: If all five P5 champs went undefeated, one of them would be left out of the playoffs. Heck, if we went to an 8-team playoff, then if 9 or 10 of the FBS conference champs went undefeated, one or two of them would too. And independents as well.

Under the current system, with only 4 spots, it is inevitable that it is possible that *any* team, even a P5, could go undefeated and yet miss the playoffs. Because there are just four slots.

Even if there were 8 slots, it would still be possible that an FBS team could go undefeated and miss the playoffs, because there are 10 conferences. And not to mention independents.

So we *have* to compare resumes. That is what "comparing teams" must mean. A "team" is its resume, and of course SOS is part of that resume. Or what else would you have us compare?
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(11-18-2018 12:37 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 11:32 AM)otown Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 11:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  No. When you’ve won every game on your schedule, you’ve earned everything possible to earn that season. If you can’t win all your games and get in, then you can’t get in. Remember—I’m arguing that a G5 can’t get in (with the exception of some ridiculously unlikely scenarios where every P5 champ has 4 losses and the undefeated G5 champ happens to play 4 P5 champs in OOC——and the entire roster at Alabama, Ohio St, Michigan, Clemson, Texas, and USC contracts mono).

You seem focused on the fact that a teams resume may not prove its good enough for the playoff. What I’m saying is if the team is undefeated, it really can’t be proven they are not the best team in the nation (since nobody has beaten them). Somewhere—we became mired in comparing resumes and SOS—rather than teams. The 2015 and 2016 Houston teams are a good example to me. The 2015 team was actually better—but the argument here is only the 2016 team had a chance for the playoff? Well—that’s a pretty flawed system if thats true. Point being—we probably need a better method of comparing teams with vastly differing SOS.

In a vacuum I agree with you.

However, you have teams go undefeated, or with one loss, that have over the course of the season beaten top 10 teams, sometimes more than once and played in vastly higher stakes games.

That’s worth more.

Outside of Bama, Clemson, and ND......... what other teams ahead of UCF fit that merit? Use examples of who they beat, and dont ignore their losses

LSU has achieved more than UCF.

LSU has also achieved two losses. I am pretty damn far from a UCF fan, but think that they should be ranked ahead of a two loss LSU.

Their two loses are to two top 5 teams.
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(11-18-2018 12:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 12:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 12:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Until good P5 teams agree to play home and home with good G5 teams, nothing will change. SOS is used against good G5 teams, but it's not like a lot of us don't try to fix it.

Why does it have to be home and home?

They can start by just scheduling them.

So in addition to playing a "superior team" after all that's royalty/blood line argument that being in a power league confers superiority, the team must also take on the added disadvantages of being the team that travels, spends the night in a strange bed, prepares in a strange locker room and then faces a hostile crowd of 70,000 or more.

It is no longer sufficient to just play and beat the P5 team, they must start the game essentially three points behind every time they face a P5?

If you think they belong in the playoff then yes.

The P5 powerhouse teams play in hostile environments. It’s balanced out for the G5 teams playing mostly nobody all season.

So Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, LSU, etc. have it stacked in their favor because they play in those environments but UCF should be thought of as equal but they shouldn’t have to. I get it.
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(11-17-2018 11:44 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(11-17-2018 10:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Houston would have likely made the playoffs in 16 if they ran the table because they beat Big 12 champ and ranked UL.

But if you don't play anyone you can win win 40 in a row and you don't deserve to make the playoffs.

Kudos to UCF though for a fantastic Gameday turnout.

Houston in 2016 is the only G5 team that might have had a legit chance. But we will never know if they would have been selected, so postulating they would have made it in hindsight as an argument for the CFP not being broken is disingenuous. The truth is the metrics will probably change in whatever way they need to in order to keep the G5 out. And they have a good one in strength of schedule they can always go to since any team in a G5 league will never have 8-9 guaranteed conference games against P5 teams.

Sounds right. +2
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Name another sport where an undefeated team doesn't make the playoffs.
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Do we really believe an undefeated UH would have been in the top 4 with these rankings (UW beat a 8th ranked Colorado).
11-18-2018 01:21 PM
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RE: Herbstreit on Gameday is right
(11-18-2018 12:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 12:26 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 10:40 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:24 AM)esayem Wrote:  No, they don’t. They didn’t play Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, or Michigan’s schedule. If they did: different conversation. I’m not saying it’s their fault, schedules were created years ago and UCF’s schedule does not prove they’re top 4.

The problem is---it doesnt really prove they arent top 4 either. As Ive discussed before, there really is no way for a G5 to fashion a schedule any better than #66. The reality is your going to have to figure some way to accurately compare the G5's and P5s that have vastly differing schedules. The results of head to head top G5's vs top10 P5's in the BCS and access bowl games would seem to indicate that the two are far closer together than the current methods of comparison are indicating.

So we should put them in over somebody who has actually earned their spot in because UCF’s schedule hasn’t proven they aren’t top4?

What the hell?

Again if your argument is "schedule" you are simply creating a circular loop that has the sole purpose on insuring no G5 ever can be in the playoff because 66% of their "schedule" is completely out of your control and 33% is limited to only those schools willing to play them.

Quit defrauding the public claiming it is a national championship when the system is pre-determined to exclude 50% of the field and arguably exclude closer to 70% if you honestly apply the schedule argument to P5 non-conference schedules.

I’ve posted several times the achievements it’s taken for teams to make the playoffs. They are greatly in excess of anything UCF, or Houston, has achieved.

Let’s be real, the system is designed to exclude 98% of the field. That’s why you have to play your way in.

Perhaps. But the system is supposed to eliminate 98% of the field once the games are all played and the results are all tabulated. Instead, based on schedules alone, the current system has already eliminated every G5 for the next 8 years. Thats not how a legitimate playoff works. What we have is an invitational.

As for why do the games need to be one-and-ones? They dont, but it does require both parties to say yes. When was the last time Bama scheduled a buy game vs Boise? Frankly, there isnt much incentive for teams that already have an adequate SOS to take on those kinds of buy games. Furthermore, G5's are trying to build fans bases and sell season tickets too. Even G5's have to try to build an appealing home schedule to sell tickets and build their following. P5 one-and-ones are a big part of building those kinds of fun attractive home schedules.

In the end---every P5 will play 8-9 P5's every year. Every G5 will play at least 8 G5's every year. That SOS difference is baked into schedules for both the P5 and G5--and there is nothing that can change that. So, the key is to figure out how you accurately compare teams with vastly differing schedules because there is no real way to do much to even out the SOS situation.
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RE: Herbstreit on Gameday is right
(11-18-2018 12:45 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 12:37 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 11:32 AM)otown Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 11:29 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  In a vacuum I agree with you.

However, you have teams go undefeated, or with one loss, that have over the course of the season beaten top 10 teams, sometimes more than once and played in vastly higher stakes games.

That’s worth more.

Outside of Bama, Clemson, and ND......... what other teams ahead of UCF fit that merit? Use examples of who they beat, and dont ignore their losses

LSU has achieved more than UCF.

LSU has also achieved two losses. I am pretty damn far from a UCF fan, but think that they should be ranked ahead of a two loss LSU.

Their two loses are to two top 5 teams.

Make up fantasy facts as you go. The Gators have never been a top 5 team. With that said, as much as it pains me to say, the Gators have no business being in the top 15 as we speak.

So let me get this straight, one top 5 win against Georgia is enough to counteract 2 losses for LSU? Gotcha. I would agree with you if they only had one loss to Bama, but try to breath the air not at such a high altitude. At some point, losses have to matter.

OSU, who did they beat? A couple of preseason overranked teams in TCU, Penn State, and MSU? 2 of who are unranked now and another who has 3 losses already? Lets not forget the nail biter against Maryland yesterday and their loss against Purdue.

West Virginia, who did they beat? A 3 loss Texas and an overranked TTU who is no longer ranked? They now have 2 losses, so hopefully they drop. A true top ten team should not lose to an unranked team.

Washington State, who did they beat? An over ranked Oregon and Stanford with 4 losses each? Plus a loss to an unranked USC?

Oklahoma, who did they beat? NOBODY........ not a single ranked team. They did lose to an overranked Texas with 3 losses, 2 of which are to unranked teams. Lets not forget the 40 points they gave up to KANSAS.... yes, freaking KANSAS!!

Can't argue with Georgia, AT THIS TIME (although their loss to LSU was not even close).

Hesitant to argue with Michigan the way they have been playing late in the season. However, their one marque win is against a 3 loss PSU, no other ranked wins. And of course they lost to ND. Where are those huge marquee wins needed to erase a loss.

So that leaves us with a big question. I agree, huge top 10 wins can erase a loss. I simply do not see any teams outside of Georgia with the resume of wins to counteract a loss(es).

Nobody is arguing UCF's schedule side by side if we were comparing undefeated teams. This is despite a lot of those teams on the current #5-#10 CFP schedules who were frauds themselves and over ranked.

When does a loss mean anything anymore? Those teams with a loss, are not losing to top 10 teams. In some cases they are losing to downright crappy/mediocre teams.
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RE: Herbstreit on Gameday is right
(11-18-2018 01:21 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/college-football/ran...asontype/2


Do we really believe an undefeated UH would have been in the top 4 with these rankings (UW beat a 8th ranked Colorado).

If they went undefeated, absolutely yes.

Houston beat #7 Oklahoma, #13 Louisville, and 9-3 Tulsa. If they had gone undefeated, they also would have beat #24 Temple and #25 Navy. That would have given them wins over 7 bowl-eligible teams.


#4 Washington's only wins over teams ranked in that poll were #10 Colorado, #18 Stanford, and #19 Utah. They lost to #9 USC. They beat 5 bowl-eligible teams. Their non-conference schedule was Rutgers, Idaho, and Portland.
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