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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
(12-14-2018 05:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I just wonder whether a decision by Dixie State to join would prompt the WAC to drop Chicago State.
Honest question: isn’t Chicago State going to disband athletics due to financial pressures? They are in a bad, bad way for anything to do with $$$.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
It's been real quiet on the Chicago State front. The new President has been pushing out many of the Watson cronies. Enrollment seems to have stabilized at 2960 (about 1500 full time undergrads). But who knows if it is really a turn around or just a pause in the decline due to more competent manaement. I don't think anything is imminent, but who knows? This President is competent and everything is on the table. Check back in a few months.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
(12-15-2018 04:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(12-14-2018 05:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I just wonder whether a decision by Dixie State to join would prompt the WAC to drop Chicago State.
Honest question: isn’t Chicago State going to disband athletics due to financial pressures? They are in a bad, bad way for anything to do with $$$.

No. Reached above the ceiling to hire Chris Zorich as AD - connections all through Chicago. Some meek pawn would be hired if disbanding athletics was on the horizon.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
(12-15-2018 04:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(12-14-2018 05:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I just wonder whether a decision by Dixie State to join would prompt the WAC to drop Chicago State.
Honest question: isn’t Chicago State going to disband athletics due to financial pressures? They are in a bad, bad way for anything to do with $$$.

Once the WAC has 9-10 other schools and has some confidence that no defections are eminent they will drop Chicago St.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
(12-15-2018 05:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 04:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(12-14-2018 05:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I just wonder whether a decision by Dixie State to join would prompt the WAC to drop Chicago State.
Honest question: isn’t Chicago State going to disband athletics due to financial pressures? They are in a bad, bad way for anything to do with $$$.

Once the WAC has 9-10 other schools and has some confidence that no defections are eminent they will drop Chicago St.


I think the first defection would be UMKC. They can't afford being in the WAC.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
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(12-15-2018 04:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(12-14-2018 05:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I just wonder whether a decision by Dixie State to join would prompt the WAC to drop Chicago State.
Honest question: isn’t Chicago State going to disband athletics due to financial pressures? They are in a bad, bad way for anything to do with $$$.

No. Reached above the ceiling to hire Chris Zorich as AD - connections all through Chicago. Some meek pawn would be hired if disbanding athletics was on the horizon.
Maybe.

I get it that Zorich has brilliant connections through the Notre Dame community and the NFL community, but unless Chicago State is going to receive some really sustained cash-infusions on a regular basis, it’s just difficult to see how this is all going to work. Difficult for me, at least.

I love an underdog so I hope it all works out. But that is a steep mountain to climb.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
Will the new BSC boss push for a split into two football only seven team conferences?
Having another football school would make it easier.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
(12-15-2018 09:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 05:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 04:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(12-14-2018 05:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I just wonder whether a decision by Dixie State to join would prompt the WAC to drop Chicago State.
Honest question: isn’t Chicago State going to disband athletics due to financial pressures? They are in a bad, bad way for anything to do with $$$.

Once the WAC has 9-10 other schools and has some confidence that no defections are eminent they will drop Chicago St.


I think the first defection would be UMKC. They can't afford being in the WAC.

Don’t know whether the Summit would take them but it does seem like a natural fit.

A WAC without CSUB, Chicago State and UMKC but with Dixie State and Metro State would have the following membership lineup:

Seattle
Cal Baptist
Utah Valley
Dixie State
Grand Canyon
Metro State
New Mexico State
UT Rio Grande Valley

That’s workable.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
(12-16-2018 12:45 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 09:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 05:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 04:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(12-14-2018 05:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I just wonder whether a decision by Dixie State to join would prompt the WAC to drop Chicago State.
Honest question: isn’t Chicago State going to disband athletics due to financial pressures? They are in a bad, bad way for anything to do with $$$.

Once the WAC has 9-10 other schools and has some confidence that no defections are eminent they will drop Chicago St.


I think the first defection would be UMKC. They can't afford being in the WAC.

Don’t know whether the Summit would take them but it does seem like a natural fit.

A WAC without CSUB, Chicago State and UMKC but with Dixie State and Metro State would have the following membership lineup:

Seattle
Cal Baptist
Utah Valley
Dixie State
Grand Canyon
Metro State
New Mexico State
UT Rio Grande Valley

That’s workable.

Workable until NMSU manages to find a new conference, anyway.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
(12-16-2018 12:45 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 09:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 05:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 04:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(12-14-2018 05:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I just wonder whether a decision by Dixie State to join would prompt the WAC to drop Chicago State.
Honest question: isn’t Chicago State going to disband athletics due to financial pressures? They are in a bad, bad way for anything to do with $$$.

Once the WAC has 9-10 other schools and has some confidence that no defections are eminent they will drop Chicago St.


I think the first defection would be UMKC. They can't afford being in the WAC.

Don’t know whether the Summit would take them but it does seem like a natural fit.

A WAC without CSUB, Chicago State and UMKC but with Dixie State and Metro State would have the following membership lineup:

Seattle
Cal Baptist
Utah Valley
Dixie State
Grand Canyon
Metro State
New Mexico State
UT Rio Grande Valley

That’s workable.

Seattle and New Mexico St can find “better” conferences. Long term, I think Seattle is destined for the WCC and New Mexico St for the Sun Belt.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
That's good news; I was hoping another pointless school would move up to D1.
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(12-16-2018 01:55 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  That's good news; I was hoping another pointless school would move up to D1.

St George is country’s fastest growing metro area. D1 arena to boot. Qualified addition.

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Heaven forbid the P5 cartel has to share the profits in an athletic association made up of 'not for profit' institutions.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
Ten thousand for football BSC or Pioneer are good options.
4700 for basketball nice modern arena .
2500 for baseball
Looks like no big investment is needed.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
(12-16-2018 12:45 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 09:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 05:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-15-2018 04:56 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(12-14-2018 05:46 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I just wonder whether a decision by Dixie State to join would prompt the WAC to drop Chicago State.
Honest question: isn’t Chicago State going to disband athletics due to financial pressures? They are in a bad, bad way for anything to do with $$$.

Once the WAC has 9-10 other schools and has some confidence that no defections are eminent they will drop Chicago St.


I think the first defection would be UMKC. They can't afford being in the WAC.

Don’t know whether the Summit would take them but it does seem like a natural fit.

A WAC without CSUB, Chicago State and UMKC but with Dixie State and Metro State would have the following membership lineup:

Seattle
Cal Baptist
Utah Valley
Dixie State
Grand Canyon
Metro State
New Mexico State
UT Rio Grande Valley

That’s workable.

UMKC has a new AD, who spent five years CSUN as the AD. He is not coming to this job to move them to the Summit. Anyone could do that. Moving to the Summit is a lateral move at best and UMKC left that conference to join the WAC. The new AD has talked about establishing a top 100 basketball program. He wants to increase fundraising significantly, improve marketing and raise fan interest in UMKC athletics. The ultimate goal has to be the Missouri Valley Conference and that will take at least five years years of hard work and some luck.

Chicago State has a new AD and new head coaches in both men's and women's basketball. They are just recovering from the state budget crisis, as are many other schools in Illinois. Chris Zorich, their new AD, needs time to turn the program around and the new basketball coaches need time to recruit better talent.

CBU will not be eligible for post-season play until 2022-2023, and Dixie State and Metro State would also have a four year wait once they join. Having an eight team conference, with five teams eligible for post-season and hoping one or two do not leave is a bad idea. There is no point in kicking anyone out of the WAC.
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RE: Dixie State to make Division I move-up decision in January
Not so sure on UMKC AD. He’s moving them away from the historic municipal auditorium (final game Saturday) back on campus for D1’s 4th smallest gym. That implies an overarching expense control strategy.
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(12-16-2018 09:59 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Not so sure on UMKC AD. He’s moving them away from the historic municipal auditorium (final game Saturday) back on campus for D1’s 4th smallest gym. That implies an overarching expense control strategy.

The decision on that move was made about two months before the new AD took the job. At a place like UMKC, expense control is very important. According to UMKC, they save $150,000 per year playing on campus. At this point in time, they can play in front of 2,000 people in Municipal or they can try to sell out Sweeney and play in front of 1,600 fans.

The fundraising piece of it is really important. They need the financial support of the alumni and the community to succeed. They will never do it on their athletic budget alone. The WAC is not a great fit for them, but their is no exit fee from the WAC. The Summit has a $1 million exit fee and a $250,000 entry fee. If the goal is to be in the MVC, why even bother with Summit?
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(12-16-2018 09:50 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Chicago State has a new AD and new head coaches in both men's and women's basketball. They are just recovering from the state budget crisis, as are many other schools in Illinois. Chris Zorich, their new AD, needs time to turn the program around and the new basketball coaches need time to recruit better talent.
you make it sound as if the "state budget crisis" is over. Which is -- to say the least -- not the case. Agreed that the crisis is affecting every state university in ILL.
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(12-17-2018 02:20 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(12-16-2018 09:50 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Chicago State has a new AD and new head coaches in both men's and women's basketball. They are just recovering from the state budget crisis, as are many other schools in Illinois. Chris Zorich, their new AD, needs time to turn the program around and the new basketball coaches need time to recruit better talent.
you make it sound as if the "state budget crisis" is over. Which is -- to say the least -- not the case. Agreed that the crisis is affecting every state university in ILL.

It is not a "crisis" anymore because schools are getting money from the state. The state budget itself is an ongoing issue. Many universities in Illinois have been dealing with a decline in enrollment that the state budget crisis just exacerbated.
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Should they merged the smaller school close by with the large schools? The state of Wisconsin lawmakers are thinking of merging the 2 year colleges with the 4 year colleges. It looks like the schools on the chopping blocks that got merged are the JUCOs.
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