(12-23-2018 06:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 05:50 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 05:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 05:36 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 05:16 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Like I said, some are still under the illusion that FBS is one United division rather than two subdivisions pretending to be one division

This pretending was always mutually beneficial

Akron got to pretend it was on the same level as Alabama for promoting itself and Alabama got to pretend that beating Akron was a good enough win to count toward bowl eligibility

But these days, with bowls being completely irrelevant the P side of the deal is no longer as sweet and useful as it once was while the G side continues to get their benefit

If the Gs want to upset the apple cart by demanding their champs be put in the playoff then the charade is no longer beneficial to the P5 and they will end it and separate into their own division

All of that is because the NCAA is a lame joke that has allowed itself to be completely corrupted by money.

No, actually, the NCAA tried to keep control of FBS money and did so for 6 years, from 1978 - 1984. Back then G5 schools got essentially the same media money as the P5 did, there was just one big national TV contract controlled by the NCAA and shared pretty much equally across all schools.

It was the power teams that went to court to be able to negotiate their own TV deals, and they won in court, which paved the way for Wake Forest making more media money than the entire AAC and Sun Belt put together.

So if you don't like this situation, blame the US constitution, which permits capitalism, more valuable entities exploiting their value without having to share that money with less valuable entities.

There is already a wildly profitable pro football league that manages to share revenue equally, and ensure all teams have an equal playing field. It's odd that the sport's amateur league fails at all of that and manages to be so corrupt that it's oversight body has become a complete laughingstock.

Are your talking about that league game with only 32 teams that can actually control its membership? Because despite having media revenue sharing individual teams are still able to differentiate themselves by gate revenue and other measures that allow the Cowboys to be worth 5 billion dollars versus say the Jaguars.

In general, I'm talking about NCAA FBS. The one sport in the world where conference /division/league champs are left out of the playoff for the sole purpose of a few teams keeping more money for themselves while in the guise of being non profit institutions.

The NFL is a single entity with zero competition whose profit is derived from keeping things sort of equal to ensure viewers keep tuning in, most notably by having a unified draft pool all teams have access to and letting the worst teams have better picks to try and help them

They operate like say the SEC does where everybody who is a member gets equal shares of TV revenue but are allowed to make more through ticket and merchandising sales

But like I said, there is no current competition the the NFL and if it were the NFL would have no obligation to make things fair for their competitors

(12-23-2018 07:14 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The NFL is a single entity with zero competition whose profit is derived from keeping things sort of equal to ensure viewers keep tuning in, most notably by having a unified draft pool all teams have access to and letting the worst teams have better picks to try and help them

They operate like say the SEC does where everybody who is a member gets equal shares of TV revenue but are allowed to make more through ticket and merchandising sales

But like I said, there is no current competition the the NFL and if it were the NFL would have no obligation to make things fair for their competitors

As long as we can all admit that NCAA FBS is not fair, we can move on and admit there can't be a true champion. I am just operating under the assumption that there should/could be.

More like we can admit FBS is not actually one single division and is simply marketed as one for the mutual benefit of the two separate divisions it actually is

Money is being left on the table, and at least based on a major theme of this thread, it's only because SEC fans are scared that SBC schools might otherwise eventually eclipse them.

I know. I don't get it, either.

(12-23-2018 10:25 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  Money is being left on the table, and at least based on a major theme of this thread, it's only because SEC fans are scared that SBC schools might otherwise eventually eclipse them.

I know. I don't get it, either.

The major college football schools have shone a propensity to chase the dollar, so if money is truly being left on the table and your system would capture it, it's a pretty safe bet your system will be adopted pretty soon. So just sit back and watch it happen.

(12-23-2018 07:46 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 07:14 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The NFL is a single entity with zero competition whose profit is derived from keeping things sort of equal to ensure viewers keep tuning in, most notably by having a unified draft pool all teams have access to and letting the worst teams have better picks to try and help them

They operate like say the SEC does where everybody who is a member gets equal shares of TV revenue but are allowed to make more through ticket and merchandising sales

But like I said, there is no current competition the the NFL and if it were the NFL would have no obligation to make things fair for their competitors

As long as we can all admit that NCAA FBS is not fair, we can move on and admit there can't be a true champion. I am just operating under the assumption that there should/could be.

I think FBS is unfair, in the same cosmic sense that it is unfair that God gave Anthony Davis a 6'11" body such that he can make millions in the NBA, but didn't do the same for me.

But it doesn't follow from this that Davis's hoops achievements aren't "true" or whatever. Of course they are.

(12-23-2018 07:46 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 07:14 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The NFL is a single entity with zero competition whose profit is derived from keeping things sort of equal to ensure viewers keep tuning in, most notably by having a unified draft pool all teams have access to and letting the worst teams have better picks to try and help them

They operate like say the SEC does where everybody who is a member gets equal shares of TV revenue but are allowed to make more through ticket and merchandising sales

But like I said, there is no current competition the the NFL and if it were the NFL would have no obligation to make things fair for their competitors

As long as we can all admit that NCAA FBS is not fair, we can move on and admit there can't be a true champion. I am just operating under the assumption that there should/could be.

And that is why Alabama and UCF are both defending National Champs.

(12-23-2018 11:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 10:25 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  Money is being left on the table, and at least based on a major theme of this thread, it's only because SEC fans are scared that SBC schools might otherwise eventually eclipse them.

I know. I don't get it, either.

The major college football schools have shone a propensity to chase the dollar, so if money is truly being left on the table and your system would capture it, it's a pretty safe bet your system will be adopted pretty soon. So just sit back and watch it happen.

I disagree that it's a pretty safe bet.

Within the castle, they're not interested in lowering the drawbridge to what anyone outside the castle has figured out... ie, speaking specifically with regard to framework.

And it's not until one envisions the framework that one begins to evaluate and recognize the money left on the table.

They're operating under the assumption that they're doing all they can do given the restrictions of the current rules and calendar, which is also known as "inside-the-box thinking."

So, the framework posited above (and in the "perfect" thread) won't happen. But for those of us outside of the castle, it's at least interesting and fun to think about what could be.

It’s a simple cost benefit analysis

A few extra million for an expanded playoff vs the much larger cost of actively helping your competition steal fans, recruits and TV eyeballs

You can whine that it’s not fair that the established powers won’t actively help you with your goal of taking more of their market share but honestly what did you expect, NOBODY does this

It is, indeed, cost/benefit. That's my line of thinking. It's not about fairness, it's about money. There is money being left on the table. And it's because no one inside the castle has figured out a way to create the greater drama within the space of the current calendar and game count. If they figured it out, they'd do it, and they'd do it, not because it's fair, but because greater drama grows the college football economy.