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Exclamation G5 Three Star Recruiting
The 2019 early signing period is now done and I've been looking at the results on 24/7 sports recruiting. I must say the results would surprise a lot of people on here as to the direction the G5 programs are heading which improved recruiting is a typical precursor.

Top 5 conference rankings here are listed by 3 star recruits. If there is a tie I've listed whichever class has more points as the tie-breaker.

AAC
UCF 22
USF 20
Memphis 19
Temple 19
SMU 17

MWC
Boise St. 15
Fresno St. 15
Colorado St. 12
Utah St. 12
Nevada 11

MAC
Miami 17
WMU 16
Toledo 16
Ohio 14
NIU 11

CUSA
North Texas 22
Southern Miss 17
FAU 16
Middle Tenn 15
Marshall 14

SBC
Louisiana 18
Troy 14
Ark St 13
Georgia St. 9
App St. 9

-The AAC is still the best recruiting G5 but not by as much margin as what it was in previous years. UCF & USF continue to be some of the very best recruiting schools in the G5. That said the bottom is no better than the bottom of other G5 conferences contrary to what some think or expect.

-MWC was out recruited by the MAC and CUSA this year and slightly ahead of the SBC. They are at a big disadvantage in todays era of elevated G5 recruiting located out west where far fewer 3 star recruits exist.

-Miami in the MAC with 17 three star recruits out recruited UC in the AAC with 14 three stars. They've put in a state of the art football operations facility, perhaps best in the G5. A top 10 G5 recruiting class already and they haven't even started winning yet.

-Ohio's top recruit was rated the 45th best defensive tackle in the country with offers from Miami FL, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Tennessee, Nebraska and Louisville.

This compares favorably to UCF's top recruit the 44th best defensive tackle with offers from BC, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisville, Maryland, Minnesota, Nebraska, UNC, Pitt, TAMU, Tennessee. What this says is the door is open to the whole G5 for elevated recruiting and not just the AAC as some believe.

-North Texas led CUSA with 22 three star recruits. CUSA does not have the depth of the AAC but the lack of depth makes it even easier for a dominating program to develop. We've just haven't seen it yet because its still a conference of new faces and it takes time for the programs to get the right coaching staff in place.

-FAU is starting to get moving with 16 three star recruits. Again here its taken the program a while to get positioned to have a coach like Kiffin in place when its not even 20 years old. Its the youngest football program with double digit three star recruits this year.

-SBC is known as a top heavy conference and it certainly looks top heavy with a few programs way out in front in recruiting. App St surprisingly did not have double digit 3 star recruits this season but were close with 9. Both them and Georgia St have not been in FBS that many years to build the deep connections with high school coaches at level required to challenge the AAC in recruiting.
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
(12-26-2018 09:42 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  a top heavy conference and it certainly looks top heavy with a few programs way out in front in recruiting. App St surprisingly did not have double digit 3 star recruits this season but were close with 9. Both them and Georgia St have not been in FBS that many years to build the deep connections with high school coaches at level required to challenge the AAC in recruiting.


App only had 14 scholarships to give and signed 9. App's team is super young.
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
(12-26-2018 09:45 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 09:42 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  a top heavy conference and it certainly looks top heavy with a few programs way out in front in recruiting. App St surprisingly did not have double digit 3 star recruits this season but were close with 9. Both them and Georgia St have not been in FBS that many years to build the deep connections with high school coaches at level required to challenge the AAC in recruiting.


App only had 14 scholarships to give and signed 9. App's team is super young.

Keep in mind that in the non-BCS era it was impressive for a non-BCS team to have 5 recruits in the 3 star range. The bar in recruiting has raised to the point where 9-10 three stars is an average G5 signing class.

Again where are things going to be in 5 or 10 years? Is the AAC going to run away with it as many think or is CUSA/SBC going to catch up eventually on the recruiting front?
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
Cincinnati also is going to have a smaller class. 14/15 verbal commits are three star recruits. Also our average recruit ranking is significantly higher than most G5.

We’ll grab a couple three more Hs recruits and a couple transfers. I have no worries that Miami is outrecruiting UC, out developing guys, or has a brighter future than UC
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
I thought Memphis had 19 3 stars (21 overall) according to 247.

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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
(12-26-2018 10:55 AM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  I thought Memphis had 19 3 stars (21 overall) according to 247.

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I missed Memphis somehow. I'll fix it.
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
Yeah, Memphis has one of the bettter G5 classes...best in school history with an ave. rank higher than all but BSU and UCF, but not on this list-lol. 13 of 14 signees are three star with the one yet to be graded. (247 guys have put in a request and say he will come back 3* as he was in high school when he first signed with the Tigers). Norvell also stated he received one more signed LOI, but the player wants to wait to have a public ceremony in Feb...add another three star for this thread purposes I guess. In reality, the full class won’t be known until fall camp as the class is small due to scholarship numbers to give (15 and all three star). They are attempting to blue shirt multiple three star players which would place them near the top of this list based on thread metrics.
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
(12-26-2018 11:16 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Yeah, Memphis has one of the bettter G5 classes...best in school history with an ave. rank higher than all but BSU and UCF, but not on this list-lol. 13 of 14 signees are three star with the one yet to be graded. (247 guys have put in a request and say he will come back 3* as he was in high school when he first signed with the Tigers). Norvell also stated he received one more signed LOI, but the player wants to wait to have a public ceremony in Feb...add another three star for this thread purposes I guess. In reality, the full class won’t be known until fall camp as the class is small due to scholarship numbers to give (15 and all three star). They are attempting to blue shirt multiple three star players which would place them near the top of this list based on thread metrics.

The Memphis class doesn't have any 4 star recruits though while Miss State has 7 of them and Ole Miss has 5.

Boise St had 2 four star recruits and they the only G5 listing 4 star guys. Only 13 programs from the P5 did not have a 4 star or better recruit in their class.

A Top 50 class then seems to be about the ceiling for a G5 however there are a lot of programs with potential of bumping up against it with the right coaching staff.

Generally schools in the West and Northeast have the toughest time recruiting. BSU is an exception because of its name. Temple has the New Jersey recruiting grounds in its back yard, the only significant recruiting grounds in the Northeast.

Midwest has enough recruits to support about 5 good G5 teams and that is why the MAC is always about 5 teams deep.

The fertile recruiting grounds obviously are in the South, right where CUSA resides but they lack the tradition of the AAC which has had a head start. The more time goes on the less of an edge the AAC is going to have though.
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
Yeah, BSU has the best class so far (by far for ave. recruit). Memphis had two local 4* players decommit and sign with SEC schools. The Tigers have a better rep. in middle/east TN than they do in west. Time will help change perception, but they really should do better in keeping those local guys home.

I don’t know all the ins and outs of fball and prefer to focus on the business side of sports. However, a connected Memphis guy in a club box at Birmingham Bowl explained to me how this class will go a long ways to balance the roster (made sense at the time, but not sure I could repeat it correctly...numbers needed at each position, some are interchangeable, some are less so...) He said all LOIs that were sent out had been returned with one requesting not to be announced at this time. Mentioned the trick will be holding on to some highly rated players (by G5 standards) and convincing them to blue shirt. Said these guys would have been early takes in the past and that some may still sign in Feb. due to possible attrition freeing up schollys. Focus was on defensive signees.
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
One thing to keep in mind is that recruiting is different in different parts of the country. California recruits haven't adopted the early signing period as strong as people in other parts of the country.
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
Has the total number of 3-star recruits changed over time? Just wondering if there is ratings inflation going on.

For NIU I have a hard time thinking of a 3-star that turned out really good - pretty much always a 2-star.
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
In my short time following recruiting I feel like anyone from Texas is a 3 star for a cusa school. We get a decent amount of NY, NJ, and D.C. area kids and they're rarely more than the default 78 rating it seems. If you aren't a 4 star it's a coin flip on success.

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(12-26-2018 04:52 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Has the total number of 3-star recruits changed over time? Just wondering if there is ratings inflation going on.

For NIU I have a hard time thinking of a 3-star that turned out really good - pretty much always a 2-star.

I asked myself the same question about the inflation. Maybe its better reporting.

The bottom 15 P5 and top 15 G5 classes look pretty interchangeable though where as in the BCS era only a couple had legitimate parity with the BCS conference guys.
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(12-27-2018 09:01 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 04:52 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Has the total number of 3-star recruits changed over time? Just wondering if there is ratings inflation going on.

For NIU I have a hard time thinking of a 3-star that turned out really good - pretty much always a 2-star.

I asked myself the same question about the inflation. Maybe its better reporting.

The bottom 15 P5 and top 15 G5 classes look pretty interchangeable though where as in the BCS era only a couple had legitimate parity with the BCS conference guys.

They do seem to lower players' ratings after they sign with MAC schools, so that would make comparisons difficult.
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(12-27-2018 12:01 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 09:01 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-26-2018 04:52 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Has the total number of 3-star recruits changed over time? Just wondering if there is ratings inflation going on.

For NIU I have a hard time thinking of a 3-star that turned out really good - pretty much always a 2-star.

I asked myself the same question about the inflation. Maybe its better reporting.

The bottom 15 P5 and top 15 G5 classes look pretty interchangeable though where as in the BCS era only a couple had legitimate parity with the BCS conference guys.

They do seem to lower players' ratings after they sign with MAC schools, so that would make comparisons difficult.

I've just reviewed AAC recruiting for a post that I'm making and I don't see any evidence of inflation, at least in the 6 year time period I looked through.
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RE: G5 Three Star Recruiting
Any idea of the breakdown of 4 stars?

Edit: just the looked and it appears that Boise St (with 3!) is the only non P5 with any 4 star players signed so far
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