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Walk On's Independence Bowl: Duke vs Temple
Pretty good AAC and ACC teams travel to lovely Shreveport Louisiana to play in the venerable Independence Bowl**. MC says this is an even matchup, between #40 and #46, but these are teams going in opposite directions.

Temple started the season the most embarrassing way possible, losing to FCS Villanova, then dropping a game to fellow G5 Buffalo. But after that terrible start, the Owls finished 8-2, beating Cincy and playing UCF close in AAC contests.

In contrast, Duke started the season 4-0, but slumped to 3-5 down the stretch, capped by an embarrassing 50 point loss to Wake Forest.

Should be a good one! 02-13-banana

** For the curious, Walk On's is a Louisiana sports bar, its original location is on the edge of the LSU campus and they've got several locations scattered around the state, maybe a couple in Mississippi and Texas too. Excellent wings and other finger food and a great atmosphere to watch sports.
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It's been a nice Thursday afternoon game for us that are off today.
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Looks like nice weather down there.
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Temple definitely came ready to play.
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RE: Walk On's Independence Bowl: Duke vs Temple
Duke made some great adjustments at the half. Down 27-21 at the half they scored 21 unanswered in the third quarter and will start the fourth with a 3rd and goal at the Temple 4 yard line.
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Duke 49 - Temple 27 - 4th quarter.
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Hard to believe Temple led 20-7 at one point. Duke has erupted for 35 second half points.

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Duke representing the powerful ACC Coastal. 04-rock

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(12-27-2018 04:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Hard to believe Temple led 20-7 at one point. Duke has erupted for 35 second half points.

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The I'm a P6 conference is 1-4 so far and that's over the lightest competition. This loss by what was one of the stronger AAC teams doesn't look good. If they don't pick up some wins their claims are going to appear very hollow to the general public.

Should Cincinnati stumble to Virginia Tech and Central Florida lose to L.S.U., both of which are possible, this could be quite harmful to hopes.
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Well based on the audio and video evidence Duke had 100% football fan attendance for this game. All six Duke football fans went to the bowl.
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RE: Walk On's Independence Bowl: Duke vs Temple
(12-27-2018 05:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 04:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Hard to believe Temple led 20-7 at one point. Duke has erupted for 35 second half points.

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The I'm a P6 conference is 1-4 so far and that's over the lightest competition. This loss by what was one of the stronger AAC teams doesn't look good. If they don't pick up some wins their claims are going to appear very hollow to the general public.

Should Cincinnati stumble to Virginia Tech and Central Florida lose to L.S.U., both of which are possible, this could be quite harmful to hopes.

If they lose both, they will finish the season with an OOC record against FBS competition of 37%. They would be 30% against P5 teams. That's not bad for a G5 conference, but it sure doesn't scream P6.
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Ed Foley 0-2 in Temple bowl games.
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Walk On's Independence Bowl: Duke vs Temple
I just don’t understand how these great P6 schools keep getting blown out. First mighty Houston, now Temple. These are P6 schools.


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Probably because they all have major deficiencies that weren't present for the majority of the season.

Before bowls:
Tulane fired their OC.
Temple lost their head coach.
Houston lost their star QB and DL.
Memphis lost their OC, DC, and star RB.
USF was never good, but ate enough cupcakes to get to 6 wins.

UCF will likely get slaughtered without Milton, but might have been a favorite with him.
Cincy is the only fully intact team (I think?).

It is the same story every year at this time. The American romps during the regular season (this was a down year for that even) and gets decimated before the bowls (although this year injuries played a bigger part). No G4 league has to deal with upward mobile coaches, coordinators, and players like the American has in its existence. The American has a terrible bowl record, but I think you will find that teams that don't have to deal with the above have a much better record during the bowl season.
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RE: Walk On's Independence Bowl: Duke vs Temple
(12-28-2018 10:39 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Probably because they all have major deficiencies that weren't present for the majority of the season.

Before bowls:
Tulane fired their OC.
Temple lost their head coach.
Houston lost their star QB and DL.
Memphis lost their OC, DC, and star RB.
USF was never good, but ate enough cupcakes to get to 6 wins.

UCF will likely get slaughtered without Milton, but might have been a favorite with him.
Cincy is the only fully intact team (I think?).

It is the same story every year at this time. The American romps during the regular season (this was a down year for that even) and gets decimated before the bowls (although this year injuries played a bigger part). No G4 league has to deal with upward mobile coaches, coordinators, and players like the American has in its existence. The American has a terrible bowl record, but I think you will find that teams that don't have to deal with the above have a much better record during the bowl season.

I think one of most relevant "deficiencies" is actually reflective of the AAC being a non-P5 conference, with non-P5 resources, and effectively being a feeder to P5 programs. Since 2014, the AAC has seen Geoff Collins (Georgia Tech), Scott Frost (Nebraska), Willie Taggart (USF), Justin Fuente (Virginia Tech), Tom Herman (Texas), Matt Rhule (Baylor) and Chad Morris (Arkansas) to P5 programs. I would also add some young coordinator additions as well, such as Kendall Briles (Florida State), Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma), Chip Long (Notre Dame), Sterlin Gilbert (Texas), among others, to that list.

The top of the AAC will always be threatened to have long-term, sustainable, success because a P5 program can always come knocking and offering more money, better resources and newer facilities. Thankfully, a few programs - UCF, USF, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis - are within strong recruiting areas and have showed to compete for top spots of the G5, so it is very possible to continue and build on a predecessor's success. However, all it takes is one coach to set a program back years (Diaco - UConn, Montgomery - ECU), so it is imperative that the schools make the right hire.
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(12-28-2018 10:39 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Probably because they all have major deficiencies that weren't present for the majority of the season.

Before bowls:
Tulane fired their OC.
Temple lost their head coach.
Houston lost their star QB and DL.
Memphis lost their OC, DC, and star RB.
USF was never good, but ate enough cupcakes to get to 6 wins.

UCF will likely get slaughtered without Milton, but might have been a favorite with him.
Cincy is the only fully intact team (I think?).

It is the same story every year at this time. The American romps during the regular season (this was a down year for that even) and gets decimated before the bowls (although this year injuries played a bigger part).

Sorry excuses. First, the American rarely romps during the regular season, the top teams build their reps playing each other, not many quality teams OOC.

Second, Tulane won their bowl, despite losing their OC and USF won their bowl two years ago when Taggart left. This year we had all our staff intact and got wiped out. All teams lose coordinators, coaches, and players, that's part of the musical chairs that takes place during bowl season. And injuries - yes, all teams get hit with those as well.

UCF? That backup QB played great vs Memphis, while LSU has lost two All-Americans on defense who have declared for the draft and two other CBs who are injured. They have to face UCF's passing attack without a pass rush and missing four cornerbacks. Good luck with that.

The American has struggled during bowl season because it has had to play better teams OOC than during the regular season. Hopefully, Cincy will beat VT and turn things around a little.
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(12-28-2018 11:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ...Hopefully, Cincy will beat VT and turn things around a little.

FORGET THAT! If the AAC wants to turn it around, let UCF beat LSU.
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(12-28-2018 12:57 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-28-2018 11:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ...Hopefully, Cincy will beat VT and turn things around a little.

FORGET THAT! If the AAC wants to turn it around, let UCF beat LSU.
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UC is looking to even up the series with Virginia Tech at six games a piece (Hokies currently lead 6-5). Crazy to think this is the 4th bowl meeting between the two schools, dating back to the 1947 Sun Bowl. We owe you guys back from the 2014 Military Bowl (thank god Tuberville is done).
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(12-28-2018 10:39 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Probably because they all have major deficiencies that weren't present for the majority of the season.

Before bowls:
Tulane fired their OC.
Temple lost their head coach.
Houston lost their star QB and DL.
Memphis lost their OC, DC, and star RB.
USF was never good, but ate enough cupcakes to get to 6 wins.

UCF will likely get slaughtered without Milton, but might have been a favorite with him.
Cincy is the only fully intact team (I think?).

It is the same story every year at this time. The American romps during the regular season (this was a down year for that even) and gets decimated before the bowls (although this year injuries played a bigger part). No G4 league has to deal with upward mobile coaches, coordinators, and players like the American has in its existence. The American has a terrible bowl record, but I think you will find that teams that don't have to deal with the above have a much better record during the bowl season.


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(12-28-2018 02:54 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(12-28-2018 10:39 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Probably because they all have major deficiencies that weren't present for the majority of the season.

Before bowls:
Tulane fired their OC.
Temple lost their head coach.
Houston lost their star QB and DL.
Memphis lost their OC, DC, and star RB.
USF was never good, but ate enough cupcakes to get to 6 wins.

UCF will likely get slaughtered without Milton, but might have been a favorite with him.
Cincy is the only fully intact team (I think?).

It is the same story every year at this time. The American romps during the regular season (this was a down year for that even) and gets decimated before the bowls (although this year injuries played a bigger part). No G4 league has to deal with upward mobile coaches, coordinators, and players like the American has in its existence. The American has a terrible bowl record, but I think you will find that teams that don't have to deal with the above have a much better record during the bowl season.


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