Not that I think it will happen but here goes:

Oklahoma & Oklahoma St to the SEC
Kansas & Iowa St to the Big Ten
WVU & ND to the ACC
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU to the PAC 12

K St unfortunately has to settle for the American.

The Big Ten and SEC both split nicely on geographic lines:

Big Ten East: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue
Big Ten West: Illinois, N'western, Wisc, Minn, Iowa, Iowa St, Nebraska, Kansas

SEC East: Florida, Georgia, S Car, Tenn, UK, Vandy, Bama, Auburn
SEC West: Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Ark, Mizzou, Okla, Okla St, TAMU

PAC 12 goes with rotating pods:
Pod 1: Ore, Ore St, Wash, Wash St
Pod 2: Cal, Stan, UCLA, USC
Pod 3: Ariz, Ariz St, Utah, Colo
Pod 4: Texas, TTU, TCU, Baylor

ACC splits along Classic ACC and Old Big East lines:
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, Duke, NC St, WF, Clem, GT, FSU
Coastal: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, L'ville, VT, Miami, ND
protected crossovers: VT vs UVA, Miami vs FSU
(If ND declines you could just as easily replace them with UCF, Cincy, or UConn)

Before anyone says that Texas/PAC 12 AAU schools would never go for this I think accepting the arrangement is the cost of doing business. Texas needs Texas schools in their conference and the PAC 12 is the only conference with enough room to make that happen and if the PAC 12 wants Texas they are going to have to deal with their less academically reputable little siblings.

If you issue all the invites simultaneously and everyone but Texas and Kansas St have a solid path out then the votes are there to dissolve the conference and Texas can either accept their place in the PAC 12 or try to figure out independence.

(01-01-2019 12:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not that I think it will happen but here goes:

Oklahoma & Oklahoma St to the SEC
Kansas & Iowa St to the Big Ten
WVU & ND to the ACC
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU to the PAC 12

K St unfortunately has to settle for the American.

The Big Ten and SEC both split nicely on geographic lines:

Big Ten East: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue
Big Ten West: Illinois, N'western, Wisc, Minn, Iowa, Iowa St, Nebraska, Kansas

SEC East: Florida, Georgia, S Car, Tenn, UK, Vandy, Bama, Auburn
SEC West: Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Ark, Mizzou, Okla, Okla St, TAMU

PAC 12 goes with rotating pods:
Pod 1: Ore, Ore St, Wash, Wash St
Pod 2: Cal, Stan, UCLA, USC
Pod 3: Ariz, Ariz St, Utah, Colo
Pod 4: Texas, TTU, TCU, Baylor

ACC splits along Classic ACC and Old Big East lines:
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, Duke, NC St, WF, Clem, GT, FSU
Coastal: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, L'ville, VT, Miami, ND
protected crossovers: VT vs UVA, Miami vs FSU
(If ND declines you could just as easily replace them with UCF, Cincy, or UConn)

Before anyone says that Texas/PAC 12 AAU schools would never go for this I think accepting the arrangement is the cost of doing business. Texas needs Texas schools in their conference and the PAC 12 is the only conference with enough room to make that happen and if the PAC 12 wants Texas they are going to have to deal with their less academically reputable little siblings.

If you issue all the invites simultaneously and everyone but Texas and Kansas St have a solid path out then the votes are there to dissolve the conference and Texas can either accept their place in the PAC 12 or try to figure out independence.

Trade Baylor for Houston and you might have something there. Although the Big Ten will be unhappy about having ISU forced on them.

(01-01-2019 12:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not that I think it will happen but here goes:

Oklahoma & Oklahoma St to the SEC
Kansas & Iowa St to the Big Ten
WVU & ND to the ACC
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU to the PAC 12

K St unfortunately has to settle for the American.

The Big Ten and SEC both split nicely on geographic lines:

Big Ten East: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue
Big Ten West: Illinois, N'western, Wisc, Minn, Iowa, Iowa St, Nebraska, Kansas

SEC East: Florida, Georgia, S Car, Tenn, UK, Vandy, Bama, Auburn
SEC West: Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Ark, Mizzou, Okla, Okla St, TAMU

PAC 12 goes with rotating pods:
Pod 1: Ore, Ore St, Wash, Wash St
Pod 2: Cal, Stan, UCLA, USC
Pod 3: Ariz, Ariz St, Utah, Colo
Pod 4: Texas, TTU, TCU, Baylor

ACC splits along Classic ACC and Old Big East lines:
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, Duke, NC St, WF, Clem, GT, FSU
Coastal: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, L'ville, VT, Miami, ND
protected crossovers: VT vs UVA, Miami vs FSU
(If ND declines you could just as easily replace them with UCF, Cincy, or UConn)

Before anyone says that Texas/PAC 12 AAU schools would never go for this I think accepting the arrangement is the cost of doing business. Texas needs Texas schools in their conference and the PAC 12 is the only conference with enough room to make that happen and if the PAC 12 wants Texas they are going to have to deal with their less academically reputable little siblings.

If you issue all the invites simultaneously and everyone but Texas and Kansas St have a solid path out then the votes are there to dissolve the conference and Texas can either accept their place in the PAC 12 or try to figure out independence.

Trade Baylor for Houston and you might have something there. Although the Big Ten will be unhappy about having ISU forced on them.

For this to work and force a dissolution vote for the Big 12 you have to have a home for all but one school so that Texas and the 2+ schools left behind can't kill the deal. Baylor needs to be in the deal. I don't see the love affair with Houston--if they were in the Big 12 or another power conference they'd be no better than Baylor. Scandals pass.

(01-01-2019 01:05 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not that I think it will happen but here goes:

Oklahoma & Oklahoma St to the SEC
Kansas & Iowa St to the Big Ten
WVU & ND to the ACC
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU to the PAC 12

K St unfortunately has to settle for the American.

The Big Ten and SEC both split nicely on geographic lines:

Big Ten East: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue
Big Ten West: Illinois, N'western, Wisc, Minn, Iowa, Iowa St, Nebraska, Kansas

SEC East: Florida, Georgia, S Car, Tenn, UK, Vandy, Bama, Auburn
SEC West: Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Ark, Mizzou, Okla, Okla St, TAMU

PAC 12 goes with rotating pods:
Pod 1: Ore, Ore St, Wash, Wash St
Pod 2: Cal, Stan, UCLA, USC
Pod 3: Ariz, Ariz St, Utah, Colo
Pod 4: Texas, TTU, TCU, Baylor

ACC splits along Classic ACC and Old Big East lines:
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, Duke, NC St, WF, Clem, GT, FSU
Coastal: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, L'ville, VT, Miami, ND
protected crossovers: VT vs UVA, Miami vs FSU
(If ND declines you could just as easily replace them with UCF, Cincy, or UConn)

Before anyone says that Texas/PAC 12 AAU schools would never go for this I think accepting the arrangement is the cost of doing business. Texas needs Texas schools in their conference and the PAC 12 is the only conference with enough room to make that happen and if the PAC 12 wants Texas they are going to have to deal with their less academically reputable little siblings.

If you issue all the invites simultaneously and everyone but Texas and Kansas St have a solid path out then the votes are there to dissolve the conference and Texas can either accept their place in the PAC 12 or try to figure out independence.

Trade Baylor for Houston and you might have something there. Although the Big Ten will be unhappy about having ISU forced on them.

For this to work and force a dissolution vote for the Big 12 you have to have a home for all but one school so that Texas and the 2+ schools left behind can't kill the deal. Baylor needs to be in the deal. I don't see the love affair with Houston--if they were in the Big 12 or another power conference they'd be no better than Baylor. Scandals pass.

Texas might not be so opposed to this, especially given how many in-state schools will be coming with. If you have their vote, you don't need Baylor's. And I assume the Pac would prefer Houston over Baylor because one is a Carnegie R1 state school in huge metro area and the other is an R2 religious school in Waco.

In any case, dissolving the conference is not necessary for schools to leave.

live with
there 5 no shot

(01-01-2019 01:05 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not that I think it will happen but here goes:

Oklahoma & Oklahoma St to the SEC
Kansas & Iowa St to the Big Ten
WVU & ND to the ACC
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU to the PAC 12

K St unfortunately has to settle for the American.

The Big Ten and SEC both split nicely on geographic lines:

Big Ten East: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue
Big Ten West: Illinois, N'western, Wisc, Minn, Iowa, Iowa St, Nebraska, Kansas

SEC East: Florida, Georgia, S Car, Tenn, UK, Vandy, Bama, Auburn
SEC West: Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Ark, Mizzou, Okla, Okla St, TAMU

PAC 12 goes with rotating pods:
Pod 1: Ore, Ore St, Wash, Wash St
Pod 2: Cal, Stan, UCLA, USC
Pod 3: Ariz, Ariz St, Utah, Colo
Pod 4: Texas, TTU, TCU, Baylor

ACC splits along Classic ACC and Old Big East lines:
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, Duke, NC St, WF, Clem, GT, FSU
Coastal: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, L'ville, VT, Miami, ND
protected crossovers: VT vs UVA, Miami vs FSU
(If ND declines you could just as easily replace them with UCF, Cincy, or UConn)

Before anyone says that Texas/PAC 12 AAU schools would never go for this I think accepting the arrangement is the cost of doing business. Texas needs Texas schools in their conference and the PAC 12 is the only conference with enough room to make that happen and if the PAC 12 wants Texas they are going to have to deal with their less academically reputable little siblings.

If you issue all the invites simultaneously and everyone but Texas and Kansas St have a solid path out then the votes are there to dissolve the conference and Texas can either accept their place in the PAC 12 or try to figure out independence.

Trade Baylor for Houston and you might have something there. Although the Big Ten will be unhappy about having ISU forced on them.

For this to work and force a dissolution vote for the Big 12 you have to have a home for all but one school so that Texas and the 2+ schools left behind can't kill the deal. Baylor needs to be in the deal. I don't see the love affair with Houston--if they were in the Big 12 or another power conference they'd be no better than Baylor. Scandals pass.

Nice effort but the Cali schools will never allow Baylor in, scandals or not. The scandals actually made it a 0% chance now, down from 2%. If you disagree, you might as well replace them with BYU since they have no chance either.

Im going to continue to point this out---I think we may have reached a point of diminishing returns on conference additions. The problem remains that a conference's non-media revenue from sources like the CFP, bowls, and NCAA credits doesnt expand just because you add 2 teams. This is nowa very substantial amount of money that is probably around 80-100 million for each P5. That means the media value of those new teams must not only equal the media payout---it must equal the TOTAL current conference payout. If SEC teams are making 40 million each in TOTAL payout, then the two new teams need to be worth 40 million each in just MEDIA value.

There simply are not many teams that have that kind of media value. In the Big12---probably only Texas and Oklahoma can clear that hurdle. Perhaps those two are each worth enough to each carry a partner with them to their destination. Maybe W Virginia could partner with Notre Dame--as that would probably clear the media value hurdle. So, based on that theory---a big reliangment shift probably only costs Big12 5 members at most---and possibly just 2. If Texas and Oklahoma decide to stay---I could easily see the Big12 standing pat for the same reasons I just talked about.

The PAC 12 is casting stones from glass houses if they bar a school because of scandal--bear in mind that we are talking about a league that was so scandal ridden a few decades ago the whole league was disbanded for few years.

This was meant to be a hypothetical but I don't entirely agree with AttackCoog's premise regarding media returns. If the Big 12 is worth $X million dollars and is completely disbanded that $X Million dollars that the market previously bore that can now be dispersed "by the market" to the surviving conferences. Reducing the number of content by 20% also increases the leveraging power of the conferences over the networks.

(01-01-2019 01:05 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not that I think it will happen but here goes:

Oklahoma & Oklahoma St to the SEC
Kansas & Iowa St to the Big Ten
WVU & ND to the ACC
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU to the PAC 12

K St unfortunately has to settle for the American.

The Big Ten and SEC both split nicely on geographic lines:

Big Ten East: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue
Big Ten West: Illinois, N'western, Wisc, Minn, Iowa, Iowa St, Nebraska, Kansas

SEC East: Florida, Georgia, S Car, Tenn, UK, Vandy, Bama, Auburn
SEC West: Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Ark, Mizzou, Okla, Okla St, TAMU

PAC 12 goes with rotating pods:
Pod 1: Ore, Ore St, Wash, Wash St
Pod 2: Cal, Stan, UCLA, USC
Pod 3: Ariz, Ariz St, Utah, Colo
Pod 4: Texas, TTU, TCU, Baylor

ACC splits along Classic ACC and Old Big East lines:
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, Duke, NC St, WF, Clem, GT, FSU
Coastal: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, L'ville, VT, Miami, ND
protected crossovers: VT vs UVA, Miami vs FSU
(If ND declines you could just as easily replace them with UCF, Cincy, or UConn)

Before anyone says that Texas/PAC 12 AAU schools would never go for this I think accepting the arrangement is the cost of doing business. Texas needs Texas schools in their conference and the PAC 12 is the only conference with enough room to make that happen and if the PAC 12 wants Texas they are going to have to deal with their less academically reputable little siblings.

If you issue all the invites simultaneously and everyone but Texas and Kansas St have a solid path out then the votes are there to dissolve the conference and Texas can either accept their place in the PAC 12 or try to figure out independence.

Trade Baylor for Houston and you might have something there. Although the Big Ten will be unhappy about having ISU forced on them.

For this to work and force a dissolution vote for the Big 12 you have to have a home for all but one school so that Texas and the 2+ schools left behind can't kill the deal. Baylor needs to be in the deal. I don't see the love affair with Houston--if they were in the Big 12 or another power conference they'd be no better than Baylor. Scandals pass.

Too much politics for it to work.

Here it goes.

The SEC strikes first and invites Oklahoma and Oklahoma State - 16 teams

PAC 12 invites Texas, Texas Tech, Hawaii, and Nevada - Name shortened to the PAC - 16 teams

ACC invites UCF, USF - Notre Dame stays Independent - 16 teams

Big Ten stays pat - 14 teams

Remainder of Big 12 merges with remainder of AAC - Big 16

Conference CUSA is pissed.

Big 16 East

Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Memphis
Navy
West Virginia
Temple
Tulane


Big 16 West


Baylor
Iowa State
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Southern Methodist
Texas Christian
Tulsa

(01-04-2019 11:18 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Here it goes.

The SEC strikes first and invites Oklahoma and Oklahoma State - 16 teams

PAC 12 invites Texas, Texas Tech, Hawaii, and Nevada - Name shortened to the PAC - 16 teams

ACC invites UCF, USF - Notre Dame stays Independent - 16 teams

Big Ten stays pat - 14 teams

Remainder of Big 12 merges with remainder of AAC - Big 16

Conference CUSA is pissed.

Big 16 East

Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Memphis
Navy
West Virginia
Temple
Tulane


Big 16 West


Baylor
Iowa State
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Southern Methodist
Texas Christian
Tulsa

Why is CUSA pissed? They didn't get touched here.

Who's we, Kemosabe?

Remove Baylor and add Houston to the pac 16
Add Rice.Baylor, UAB , VCU and army to the aac
Add KSU,UTEP, NM state and BYU to the Mwc

Thus you have 4 P4 16 team leagues and 16 team AAC and mwc

(01-01-2019 12:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not that I think it will happen but here goes:

Oklahoma & Oklahoma St to the SEC
Kansas & Iowa St to the Big Ten
WVU & ND to the ACC
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU to the PAC 12

K St unfortunately has to settle for the American.

The Big Ten and SEC both split nicely on geographic lines:

Big Ten East: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue
Big Ten West: Illinois, N'western, Wisc, Minn, Iowa, Iowa St, Nebraska, Kansas

SEC East: Florida, Georgia, S Car, Tenn, UK, Vandy, Bama, Auburn
SEC West: Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Ark, Mizzou, Okla, Okla St, TAMU

PAC 12 goes with rotating pods:
Pod 1: Ore, Ore St, Wash, Wash St
Pod 2: Cal, Stan, UCLA, USC
Pod 3: Ariz, Ariz St, Utah, Colo
Pod 4: Texas, TTU, TCU, Baylor

ACC splits along Classic ACC and Old Big East lines:
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, Duke, NC St, WF, Clem, GT, FSU
Coastal: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, L'ville, VT, Miami, ND
protected crossovers: VT vs UVA, Miami vs FSU
(If ND declines you could just as easily replace them with UCF, Cincy, or UConn)

Before anyone says that Texas/PAC 12 AAU schools would never go for this I think accepting the arrangement is the cost of doing business. Texas needs Texas schools in their conference and the PAC 12 is the only conference with enough room to make that happen and if the PAC 12 wants Texas they are going to have to deal with their less academically reputable little siblings.

If you issue all the invites simultaneously and everyone but Texas and Kansas St have a solid path out then the votes are there to dissolve the conference and Texas can either accept their place in the PAC 12 or try to figure out independence.

Trade Baylor for Houston and you might have something there. Although the Big Ten will be unhappy about having ISU forced on them.

Why not just trade Baylor for Kansas State?

(01-04-2019 11:50 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not that I think it will happen but here goes:

Oklahoma & Oklahoma St to the SEC
Kansas & Iowa St to the Big Ten
WVU & ND to the ACC
Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU to the PAC 12

K St unfortunately has to settle for the American.

The Big Ten and SEC both split nicely on geographic lines:

Big Ten East: Rutgers, Maryland, Penn St, Ohio St, Mich, Mich St, Indiana, Purdue
Big Ten West: Illinois, N'western, Wisc, Minn, Iowa, Iowa St, Nebraska, Kansas

SEC East: Florida, Georgia, S Car, Tenn, UK, Vandy, Bama, Auburn
SEC West: Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Ark, Mizzou, Okla, Okla St, TAMU

PAC 12 goes with rotating pods:
Pod 1: Ore, Ore St, Wash, Wash St
Pod 2: Cal, Stan, UCLA, USC
Pod 3: Ariz, Ariz St, Utah, Colo
Pod 4: Texas, TTU, TCU, Baylor

ACC splits along Classic ACC and Old Big East lines:
Atlantic: UVA, UNC, Duke, NC St, WF, Clem, GT, FSU
Coastal: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, L'ville, VT, Miami, ND
protected crossovers: VT vs UVA, Miami vs FSU
(If ND declines you could just as easily replace them with UCF, Cincy, or UConn)

Before anyone says that Texas/PAC 12 AAU schools would never go for this I think accepting the arrangement is the cost of doing business. Texas needs Texas schools in their conference and the PAC 12 is the only conference with enough room to make that happen and if the PAC 12 wants Texas they are going to have to deal with their less academically reputable little siblings.

If you issue all the invites simultaneously and everyone but Texas and Kansas St have a solid path out then the votes are there to dissolve the conference and Texas can either accept their place in the PAC 12 or try to figure out independence.

Trade Baylor for Houston and you might have something there. Although the Big Ten will be unhappy about having ISU forced on them.

Why not just trade Baylor for Kansas State?

I imagine UT would prefer another Texas school over KSU. If the Pac nixes Baylor, as I expect they would, then Houston is a good compromise.

(01-04-2019 11:29 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 11:18 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Here it goes.

The SEC strikes first and invites Oklahoma and Oklahoma State - 16 teams

PAC 12 invites Texas, Texas Tech, Hawaii, and Nevada - Name shortened to the PAC - 16 teams

ACC invites UCF, USF - Notre Dame stays Independent - 16 teams

Big Ten stays pat - 14 teams

Remainder of Big 12 merges with remainder of AAC - Big 16

Conference CUSA is pissed.

Big 16 East

Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Memphis
Navy
West Virginia
Temple
Tulane


Big 16 West


Baylor
Iowa State
Houston
Kansas
Kansas State
Southern Methodist
Texas Christian
Tulsa

Why is CUSA pissed? They didn't get touched here.

Because the OP is about the P4.