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UGA announcers were saying Georgia would run at will against Texas the night before. Fans were saying the same thing. UGA was 30 carries for 72. Players were saying the right things, but the fan thinking couldn’t keep from infecting them. They were overconfident.
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(01-02-2019 01:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  UGA announcers were saying Georgia would run at will against Texas the night before. Fans were saying the same thing. UGA was 30 carries for 72. Players were saying the right things, but the fan thinking couldn’t keep from infecting them. They were overconfident.

It will be a good game for Texas to build upon. Having wins over Georgia and Oklahoma both this year will be a nice springboard.
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(01-02-2019 12:00 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  IWokeUpLikeThis, the "meaningless" Sugar and Rose Bowl are part of the reason I like Frank the Tank's idea for 8:

Rose: P12 champ vs B1G Champ
Sugar: SEC Champ vs at-large
Cotton: B12 Champ vs at-large
Orange: ACC Champ vs at-large

Both the CCGs and the Big Four would means something

Frankly I'd have 6, with Peach and Fiesta in, rotate 4.

... BTW the better team is winning this game. Texas deserves this, no question, Bevo kicked Uga.

sorry but this year just proved how dumb that is. No way Ohio St should get to play the worst of the 8 teams..... Absolutely not.

It's not about Ohio State, Washington, Michigan or Georgia (the "next up"). It's about bringing importance back to CCGs, that they actually play for something (auto-bid) rather than being a potential knock out for a conference (e.g., had Texas beat OU for example) and making 4 of the Bowl games playoffs instead of 2, hence fewer "exhibitions".

The current era is the Nick Saban era, with Dabo Swinney rising. This is the peak two school dominance, not a permanent feature, rather an anomaly. We will see more teams competing in the near future. So this should be kept in mind when discussing this matter.

And even if we don't get any serious contenders out of seeds 5-8, it would be just like the NFL with the wild card round that rarely ever produces a Super Bowl Team. In the last 10 years 40 Wild Card teams produced just 1 Super Bowl Team (2010 Green Bay Packers). That is a 2.5% "relevancy" value for those games, yet they sell out and get great TV numbers, and nobody thinks they are exhibitions. The seeds 5-8 will produce more championship reaching teams than seeds 9-12 do in the NFL. But more important, there will be four games people will care on New Years.

As for players making a business decision, well, that is here to stay, and it will still happen with a playoff. Nick Bosa even opted out during the regular season, and many draft boards have him #1.
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Texas dominated start to finish. Congratulations Bevo!
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(01-02-2019 01:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  UGA announcers were saying Georgia would run at will against Texas the night before. Fans were saying the same thing. UGA was 30 carries for 72. Players were saying the right things, but the fan thinking couldn’t keep from infecting them. They were overconfident.

Georgia may have been overconfident but Texas is talented. Going in to bowl season they were the only team with a win over a playoff team.
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(01-02-2019 12:22 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It’s the “I’m going to suit up but not try my best” that is what I’m referring to here.

Six of one, half dozen the other. Same issues exist. It becomes an issue when such iniquities exist in this last contest. I don't know how one coaches to it, really.

Flipping through channels yesterday, I caught the start of the second half of the Penn State-Kentucky game. Trace McSorley was limping around. I later find out, guy broke his foot. Didn't start the second (?), but came back in and laid it all on the field.

Someone should have placed Trace on PSU's defense, since Kentucky pretty much ran at will against that. Trace both enhanced his gutsy reputation, something he'll need in the pros since some other qualities are very rough, but also damaged his stock, since he's probably not going to be able to perform at a top level at any combine or workouts. Apparently, the rest of PSU wasn't up to McSorley's pace.

It might be easy to hang it on players. Why aren't we also putting this on the coaches? Failure to motivate?
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Game of the Decade for Tex. Congrats.
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(01-02-2019 03:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 12:26 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 12:00 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  IWokeUpLikeThis, the "meaningless" Sugar and Rose Bowl are part of the reason I like Frank the Tank's idea for 8:

Rose: P12 champ vs B1G Champ
Sugar: SEC Champ vs at-large
Cotton: B12 Champ vs at-large
Orange: ACC Champ vs at-large

Both the CCGs and the Big Four would means something

Frankly I'd have 6, with Peach and Fiesta in, rotate 4.

... BTW the better team is winning this game. Texas deserves this, no question, Bevo kicked Uga.

sorry but this year just proved how dumb that is. No way Ohio St should get to play the worst of the 8 teams..... Absolutely not.

It's not about Ohio State, Washington, Michigan or Georgia (the "next up"). It's about bringing importance back to CCGs, that they actually play for something (auto-bid) rather than being a potential knock out for a conference (e.g., had Texas beat OU for example) and making 4 of the Bowl games playoffs instead of 2, hence fewer "exhibitions".

Thing is, the conferences themselves seem happy with the role and import of their CCGs right now. Their main fear seems to be proposed changes that would *diminish* them from what they are now, not a desire to enhance their importance.
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I'm sure Georgia was disappointed they didn't get in the playoff and therefore the players weren't motivated and that is why they lost. Hey, I like this game.
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(01-02-2019 03:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 12:26 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 12:00 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  IWokeUpLikeThis, the "meaningless" Sugar and Rose Bowl are part of the reason I like Frank the Tank's idea for 8:

Rose: P12 champ vs B1G Champ
Sugar: SEC Champ vs at-large
Cotton: B12 Champ vs at-large
Orange: ACC Champ vs at-large

Both the CCGs and the Big Four would means something

Frankly I'd have 6, with Peach and Fiesta in, rotate 4.

... BTW the better team is winning this game. Texas deserves this, no question, Bevo kicked Uga.

sorry but this year just proved how dumb that is. No way Ohio St should get to play the worst of the 8 teams..... Absolutely not.

It's not about Ohio State, Washington, Michigan or Georgia (the "next up"). It's about bringing importance back to CCGs, that they actually play for something (auto-bid) rather than being a potential knock out for a conference (e.g., had Texas beat OU for example) and making 4 of the Bowl games playoffs instead of 2, hence fewer "exhibitions".

The current era is the Nick Saban era, with Dabo Swinney rising. This is the peak two school dominance, not a permanent feature, rather an anomaly. We will see more teams competing in the near future. So this should be kept in mind when discussing this matter.

And even if we don't get any serious contenders out of seeds 5-8, it would be just like the NFL with the wild card round that rarely ever produces a Super Bowl Team. In the last 10 years 40 Wild Card teams produced just 1 Super Bowl Team (2010 Green Bay Packers). That is a 2.5% "relevancy" value for those games, yet they sell out and get great TV numbers, and nobody thinks they are exhibitions. The seeds 5-8 will produce more championship reaching teams than seeds 9-12 do in the NFL. But more important, there will be four games people will care on New Years.

As for players making a business decision, well, that is here to stay, and it will still happen with a playoff. Nick Bosa even opted out during the regular season, and many draft boards have him #1.

I don't care what era it is, TV WANTS a bracketed event. Franks frankly idiotic proposal this year....
Rose #6 Ohio St vs #9 Washington
Sugar #1 Alabama vs #7 Michigan or #8 UCF
Orange #2 Clemson vs #5 Georgia
Cotton #4 Oklahoma vs #3 Notre Dame

Sorry but TV wants absolutely no part of that at all. Why should 2 of the 3 WORST teams get to play each other in QF's? That's just stupid.

Only reason Frank wants that is for the Rose to get protected. Sorry but the other power conferences don't give a rip about that. And will give even less of a rip going forward about that.
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(01-02-2019 07:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 12:22 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It’s the “I’m going to suit up but not try my best” that is what I’m referring to here.

Six of one, half dozen the other. Same issues exist. It becomes an issue when such iniquities exist in this last contest. I don't know how one coaches to it, really.

Flipping through channels yesterday, I caught the start of the second half of the Penn State-Kentucky game. Trace McSorley was limping around. I later find out, guy broke his foot. Didn't start the second (?), but came back in and laid it all on the field.

Someone should have placed Trace on PSU's defense, since Kentucky pretty much ran at will against that. Trace both enhanced his gutsy reputation, something he'll need in the pros since some other qualities are very rough, but also damaged his stock, since he's probably not going to be able to perform at a top level at any combine or workouts. Apparently, the rest of PSU wasn't up to McSorley's pace.

It might be easy to hang it on players. Why aren't we also putting this on the coaches? Failure to motivate?

Agree completely. These exhibitions probably shouldn’t be played at all, unfortunately.

A possible solution I’d be in favor of would be treating bowls like college basketball early season tournaments. They’re played early and they matter for the record. The bowls can continue to use tie-ins. There could be 65 bowls with 130 schools. Similar style to how bowls are now.

Or some could be 4-school tournaments with 1st round campus games. Example of that could be: Sugar Bowl invites LSU, Oklahoma, Southern Miss, and Tulane. 1st weekend of college football: Tulane @ Oklahoma & Southern Miss @ LSU. Winners play the 2nd weekend at the Sugar Bowl Classic @ 7PM Or whenever while the losers play in the Sugar Bowl Invitational earlier that day. A whole day of festivities and the games still matter.
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(01-02-2019 12:22 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  QB Sam played a hell of a game. He had his way with UGA’s D.

Special shout out to the Texas D though. They kept UGA off balance all night.

It ended up being a fun game to watch.

Agreed. In the end the bowls are rewards for hard work and performance of a team. It is the holiday season and they are intended to celebrate college football. All I wish for is a good game. I don't defend Georgia's attitude, but have you seen these kids and fans in the smaller bowls? Tell me that winning is not a big deal for them.
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(01-02-2019 09:32 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I'm sure Georgia was disappointed they didn't get in the playoff and therefore the players weren't motivated and that is why they lost. Hey, I like this game.

Virginia Tech was disappointed that all those defensive players declared early for the NFL last year, so they weren't motivated to play Old Dominion, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Pitt or Miami.

FACT.

(yeah, I like this game too!)
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(01-02-2019 02:25 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 07:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 12:22 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  It’s the “I’m going to suit up but not try my best” that is what I’m referring to here.

Six of one, half dozen the other. Same issues exist. It becomes an issue when such iniquities exist in this last contest. I don't know how one coaches to it, really.

Flipping through channels yesterday, I caught the start of the second half of the Penn State-Kentucky game. Trace McSorley was limping around. I later find out, guy broke his foot. Didn't start the second (?), but came back in and laid it all on the field.

Someone should have placed Trace on PSU's defense, since Kentucky pretty much ran at will against that. Trace both enhanced his gutsy reputation, something he'll need in the pros since some other qualities are very rough, but also damaged his stock, since he's probably not going to be able to perform at a top level at any combine or workouts. Apparently, the rest of PSU wasn't up to McSorley's pace.

It might be easy to hang it on players. Why aren't we also putting this on the coaches? Failure to motivate?

Agree completely. These exhibitions probably shouldn’t be played at all, unfortunately.

A possible solution I’d be in favor of would be treating bowls like college basketball early season tournaments. They’re played early and they matter for the record. The bowls can continue to use tie-ins. There could be 65 bowls with 130 schools. Similar style to how bowls are now.

Or some could be 4-school tournaments with 1st round campus games. Example of that could be: Sugar Bowl invites LSU, Oklahoma, Southern Miss, and Tulane. 1st weekend of college football: Tulane @ Oklahoma & Southern Miss @ LSU. Winners play the 2nd weekend at the Sugar Bowl Classic @ 7PM Or whenever while the losers play in the Sugar Bowl Invitational earlier that day. A whole day of festivities and the games still matter.

I'll be honest...I'm just tired of the bowls, period. They're outmoded; outliving their time and need. They're too much of an influence with major college football, and they shouldn't be. Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Orange...don't give a flip. They existed because there was virtually no leveling back in the day, and that distinct regionalism created these contests. As the layers became more pronounced...D3, D2, FCS, FBS, G5, P5...trying to make these games fit into determining a champion of FBS has not been pretty or successful.

We're now to a point where there is almost complete bowl segregation between P5 and G5 scrums, players sitting out, phoned in team efforts, and gaping attendance and rating issues. Three games matter. Some others pay out some good change, but everyone not in that three game field is playing in nonsense. Nobody can tell you the legacy or origin of what each bowl is, and now we have network created ones? I'd take any alternative spare what these games represent: matchups between teams who don't normally see each other. But I can live without "bowls." Deep down, I think we all can.
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(01-02-2019 05:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 01:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  UGA announcers were saying Georgia would run at will against Texas the night before. Fans were saying the same thing. UGA was 30 carries for 72. Players were saying the right things, but the fan thinking couldn’t keep from infecting them. They were overconfident.

Georgia may have been overconfident but Texas is talented. Going in to bowl season they were the only team with a win over a playoff team.

They severely underrated Texas. When the Texas offense is on and not making mistakes, this Texas team can play with anyone. But they need to have really good execution.
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And on defense, Texas limited OU to their two lowest yards per play (prior to the Alabama game). OU set the all time record for yards per play.
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I love Bevo so much now.
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(01-02-2019 08:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  .....
(01-02-2019 03:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  It's not about Ohio State, Washington, Michigan or Georgia (the "next up"). It's about bringing importance back to CCGs, that they actually play for something (auto-bid) rather than being a potential knock out for a conference (e.g., had Texas beat OU for example) and making 4 of the Bowl games playoffs instead of 2, hence fewer "exhibitions".

Thing is, the conferences themselves seem happy with the role and import of their CCGs right now. Their main fear seems to be proposed changes that would *diminish* them from what they are now, not a desire to enhance their importance.

You are now conflating audiences. First we bemoan that bowls are exhibitions, and next moment you flip from public opinion to conference opinion.

However I think you are wrong on this. B1G and ACC want to change format and probably P12 as well. Currently the CCGs for B12 and B1G were just for style points, the P12 meaningless when WSU lost to UW, and ACC, B12, B1G potential death blows for their conferences getting any teams if an upset had occurred. Only the SEC had an all positive CCG.

Auto bids would restore that importance, especially if reform the B1G and ACC want passes (both want to go division-less, which is also attractive to the P12), which would pit the top rated programs in each conference in a CCG. Suddenly these would be de facto part of the playoffs.

Anyway., the point is you conflated the public/fan desire for meaningful games and the conferences happiness with the current role of the CCGs, which upon examination 3 of the 5 conferences are in fact not happy with. So you were wrong in both context and fact.
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(01-03-2019 04:24 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 08:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  .....
(01-02-2019 03:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  It's not about Ohio State, Washington, Michigan or Georgia (the "next up"). It's about bringing importance back to CCGs, that they actually play for something (auto-bid) rather than being a potential knock out for a conference (e.g., had Texas beat OU for example) and making 4 of the Bowl games playoffs instead of 2, hence fewer "exhibitions".

Thing is, the conferences themselves seem happy with the role and import of their CCGs right now. Their main fear seems to be proposed changes that would *diminish* them from what they are now, not a desire to enhance their importance.

You are now conflating audiences. First we bemoan that bowls are exhibitions, and next moment you flip from public opinion to conference opinion.

However I think you are wrong on this. B1G and ACC want to change format and probably P12 as well. Currently the CCGs for B12 and B1G were just for style points, the P12 meaningless when WSU lost to UW, and ACC, B12, B1G potential death blows for their conferences getting any teams if an upset had occurred. Only the SEC had an all positive CCG.

Auto bids would restore that importance, especially if reform the B1G and ACC want passes (both want to go division-less, which is also attractive to the P12), which would pit the top rated programs in each conference in a CCG. Suddenly these would be de facto part of the playoffs.

Anyway., the point is you conflated the public/fan desire for meaningful games and the conferences happiness with the current role of the CCGs, which upon examination 3 of the 5 conferences are in fact not happy with. So you were wrong in both context and fact.

Your point is wrong all around - if your point was that you think the CCGs currently lack relevance, well that's your opinion and there's no arguing it. I assumed you were drawing on evidence beyond your personal views, so it was appropriate for me to point out that the conferences do seem happy with the current import of their CCGs, as evidenced by the fact that when they talk about modifying the system, we only hear conferences saying they want to make sure any changes don't hurt the current relevance of the CCGs, not about any desire to enhance them. You also have zero evidence that the public finds the CCGs to be irrelevant.

Plus, you are making big assumptions about what the B1G and ACC want. Neither conference has said they want any changes either to the CFP system or to their CCGs. Heck, if they want to change their CCGs, such as to go divisionless, they can go ahead and do that.
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(01-03-2019 09:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 04:24 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-02-2019 08:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  .....
(01-02-2019 03:53 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  It's not about Ohio State, Washington, Michigan or Georgia (the "next up"). It's about bringing importance back to CCGs, that they actually play for something (auto-bid) rather than being a potential knock out for a conference (e.g., had Texas beat OU for example) and making 4 of the Bowl games playoffs instead of 2, hence fewer "exhibitions".

Thing is, the conferences themselves seem happy with the role and import of their CCGs right now. Their main fear seems to be proposed changes that would *diminish* them from what they are now, not a desire to enhance their importance.

You are now conflating audiences. First we bemoan that bowls are exhibitions, and next moment you flip from public opinion to conference opinion.

However I think you are wrong on this. B1G and ACC want to change format and probably P12 as well. Currently the CCGs for B12 and B1G were just for style points, the P12 meaningless when WSU lost to UW, and ACC, B12, B1G potential death blows for their conferences getting any teams if an upset had occurred. Only the SEC had an all positive CCG.

Auto bids would restore that importance, especially if reform the B1G and ACC want passes (both want to go division-less, which is also attractive to the P12), which would pit the top rated programs in each conference in a CCG. Suddenly these would be de facto part of the playoffs.

Anyway., the point is you conflated the public/fan desire for meaningful games and the conferences happiness with the current role of the CCGs, which upon examination 3 of the 5 conferences are in fact not happy with. So you were wrong in both context and fact.

Your point is wrong all around - if your point was that you think the CCGs currently lack relevance, well that's your opinion and there's no arguing it. I assumed you were drawing on evidence beyond your personal views, so it was appropriate for me to point out that the conferences do seem happy with the current import of their CCGs, as evidenced by the fact that when they talk about modifying the system, we only hear conferences saying they want to make sure any changes don't hurt the current relevance of the CCGs, not about any desire to enhance them. You also have zero evidence that the public finds the CCGs to be irrelevant.

Plus, you are making big assumptions about what the B1G and ACC want. Neither conference has said they want any changes either to the CFP system or to their CCGs. Heck, if they want to change their CCGs, such as to go divisionless, they can go ahead and do that.

by rule, they can't change their CCG's. To have a CCG you have to either have divisions, OR have like Big 12 with round robin followed by top 2 teams making title game.
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